ojfl
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I would like to know why technically support for the 2010-2012 MacPro had to be dropped. Not sure I understand it.
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I would like to know why technically support for the 2010-2012 MacPro had to be dropped. Not sure I understand it.
lupinglade
macrumors 6502
The icon for the new Mac Pro is literally a cheese grater now!
magicschoolbus
macrumors 68030
I just maxed mine out with 16 GB of Ram last month.. Now I am on a 1 TB SSD with 16 Gigs of Ram on a 2.9 i7... works fantastic for everything I need it to do.
It's a real bummer (the only one for me from the day)...looking at my last year cheese grater Mac Pro and 30 inch Monster (bought them when I saw the trash can) and then glancing at the starting price for the new ones....I am not going to be up for $10k for the low end machine though.
Besides it doesn't look like they have internal hard drive space anyways which I would want for the price. I tried to stay out of the iMac orbit for so long...but that looks like where I'll be going, maybe next year.
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Still waiting to hear clarification on that. Some sites report that you can use 2010-2012 cMP's with a Mojave-compatible GPU, but I wasn't able to find anything official from Apple. All it takes is to download the beta and try... but that's not my line of work and I have no time for such shenanigans. ;-) I'm sure we'll hear more in the coming weeks.
I'll probably stay on my kitted-out cMP and 2012MBP for another couple of years. Can still do 4K editing for broadcast and run current security-patched OS X builds with no wonky hacks. So why not?
I assume it’s because its vintage status is almost up and so they just don’t want to support t and want people to buy new machines. They couldn’t really do that with any other 2012 machine because they kinda messed up their lineup.
Nunyabinez
macrumors 68000
Well, that is disappointing. Looks like my 2010 Mac Pro is stuck on High Sierra since they won't allow Nvidia drivers in Mojave.
glad my 2012 iMac is still supported. This buys me another year before I need to worry about a replacement.
ojfl
macrumors member
Same... Or downgrade to the Mac mini i7...
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It is fine they want people to buy new machines but with a starting price of US$ 5.000 they certainly made sure only true Pros will invest to upgrade the thing...
coolkid93
macrumors 6502
Honestly the best laptop Apple ever made is my Mid 2012 MacBook Pro
What a Tank!
What a Tank!
The best solution would be to model all Mac desktops on a configurable like the new Mac Pro but with a much wider range from lower end to high end. Instead we are stuck with the iMacs which are expensive but cannot be upgraded and have a heat toaster design which shortens their life and throttles the CPU and GPU.
I like and buy apple products - but like all big corporations they are over greedy and don’t give consumers a break - which they can easily do with all their billions.
I like and buy apple products - but like all big corporations they are over greedy and don’t give consumers a break - which they can easily do with all their billions.
drumcat
macrumors 65816
Looking forward to several more years of service from my 2012 Mini. I don't even care if Catalina is a final OS; it's a friggin Sherman Tank. 480G SSD and a 2T spinner for media. Handles everything it should, including serving a few websites out of the house. If compared to the cost of hosting $10/month, that alone has already half-paid for itself.
Shameful? Really, Shameful? No, the alternative is to dwell in stale software, and there would be more complaints about that. If you use the machine for business, it is time to upgrade. Keep your computer up to date, keep your business up to date. Hanging on to older CPUs is not a good business strategy.
SoSickSadNslOw
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trusso
macrumors 6502a
A 2010 Mac Pro has more than enough power to run the upcoming version of Mac OS, and quite likely any system software Apple releases for the next two decades. I know the 80s and 90s had us replacing our computers every few years, but we've hit a relative plateau over the past decade, and claiming that an 2010 8-core Xeon can't run what a 2017 dual-core i5 can is just disingenuous.
I'm not saying don't innovate or update. But I despise the throwaway culture we live in. I'm in the small minority, but I'd like to see computers (especially one's that cost more than $1000) come to be viewed as appliances more than apparel (think about it). When I buy a refrigerator, a couch, or a car, I expect it to last me 15-20 years. I will pay for quality engineering, but in return I'll determine when to EOL my property.
This is the philosophical problem I have with Apple and most other companies in the hardware and software industries. Most people don't seem to notice (or mind) that they're being fleeced, and the analogy of the frog in the boiling water is not out of place here.
Me too. Late 2012 iMac 27 inch when it was super high demand.
I spent almost $2500 on it. It still runs great in 2019 with the fusion ssd/regular drive.
I will get another year out of it. Amazing value.
Though my windows laptops still run great as well. SSD along with modern processors has really changed how long computer can last.
My 2013 MacBook Air with 256gb ssd and 8gb Ram also still running great.
pdaholic
macrumors 68020
I’m curious which of those Macs will have crippled features. Like Sidecar—I’m sure my late model 2013 MBP won’t be powerful enough to use the feature...even though Duet has worked well for years.
Yebubbleman
macrumors 603
What makes the Late 2013 MacBook Pro more special than, say the Mid 2014, Early/Mid 2015, or anything newer (or even the couple of generations older that are also getting support for macOS Catalina?
The 2012 Mac mini was sold until 2014 when the 2014 Mac mini replaced it in the lineup.
The 2012 non-Retina 13" MacBook Pro was still sold until late 2016.
Both are rocking the same Intel Ivy Bridge chipsets, so you are correct that there's no technical reason as to why one should get more support than the other. However, the final sale date isn't what matters relative to the date it loses software support. If that was the case, then it would stand to reason that the 2012 Mac Pro should be supported for Catalina, given that a 2012 MacBook Pro already has support (when the 2012 Mac Pro didn't include any technology that wasn't also present in the 2010 Mac Pro).
A Windows PC sold in the same time period that the Late 2013 MacBook Pros were on sale for would still be supported for the current version of Windows 10 and presumably the next few thereafter. Even the cheap ones. You'd probably want to replace the HDD with an SDD, but other than that they'd be no different in terms of how well they ran Windows today.
People like to think that Macs are special in this regard, but they really aren't.
2010 and 2012 Mac Pros are excluded; likely for all of the video card upgrade gymnastics that had to be supported to enable them to run in Mojave.
I'm sure that if you spent $6000 on a 12-Core Mac Pro in 2011 or 2012, (and more money this last year on an upgraded graphics card so you could be current on macOS), you'd also complain. I do not have one of these machines, so it doesn't bother me. But I could totally imagine not being happy that this pretty much marks the beginning of shopping for a replacement Mac (especially when quality control isn't that great with Apple these days).
If I had to guess, it might have to do with (a) the fact that those Macs required a video card upgrade for Mojave (and Apple likely didn't want to have to keep supporting that kind of configuration for a machine that is already that old and (b) some of the increased tamper-proofing they're adding to Catalina. My guess is that if they didn't need an aftermarket video card for Mojave, they'd still be supported in Catalina.
...Except...it has nothing to do with the processor and everything to do with the video card support.
They need to slow down their software development cycles is what they really need to do. I don't think anyone really needed macOS 10.15 to release in 2019. Hell, I wouldn't mind waiting until 2021. They do not need to pump out new OS releases every year, especially since they don't seem to focus on things that I really wanted out of my Mac and are instead focusing on trying to figure out how my Mac can run more like a bloody iPad.
The only thing driving us to replace our Apple products is that the pace of software development is such that we are much sooner getting to the version of iOS/macOS/tvOS/watchOS/iPadOS where our Apple product either runs like crap or is left in the cold. Just slow your cycle and our **** can last longer and everyone can be happy!
trusso
macrumors 6502a
And if that is the case, they could permit acceptable graphics cards to run the new OS versions, just as they have for Mojave.
biscuitsxluv
macrumors 65816
2011 MBP machine still going strong as well. I need a new battery because I used it so much! Can’t wait for the update!!