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People using the "safari tabs reloading" symptom as diagnosis of too little RAM are not thinking clearly or logically. First of all, since when does a webpage have 512mb of content on it, for there to be a RAM limitation after opening 2 tabs? Look at your data usage, you know this isn't true. There is not nearly enough data in a webpage to fill the RAM like you keep saying it is. Secondly, my Macbook Pro Retina has 16gb and the Safari tabs are always reloading. This means it is a RAM optimisation that is being too strict. It has nothing to do with running out of RAM and so more RAM will not affect this. I wish people would try at least to thinking logically.

Multitasking is generally what causes the Safari reload issue on iPhone and iPad. Enough programs eating memory, coming back to Safari and the pages have to reload because that memory has been given to something else. Another part is that Safari does seem more prone to reloading tabs even on the desktop, that's just one of the reasons why I don't use it and prefer Chrome or Firefox instead.

I'm guessing Apple's thinking is that they want to deliver the latest version of the page (instead of using a possibly out of date cached version) but didn't account for filled input fields or slow connections making the process really aggravating.

For the record web browsers are serious memory hogs in general. Right now I see a few Chrome processes eating a few hundered megabytes in Windows 7 and several more using anything from 6-50 MB. Consider a similar situation on a mobile device and you can see that there can be quite significant memory use there as well.
 
I wasn't making any connections between RAM and battery life.

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Go check reviews from places that aren't on Samsung's friends list like C|Net, The Verge, Engagdet, etc.

So maybe CNet, The Verge and etc are on Apple friends list? :) iPhones always had high WiFi browsing time, however talk time and standby were the weakness.

I have 5S and i'm not impressed by battery life which gsmarena and phonearena also confirms. It is ok if you surf the net via WiFi but when I start using 3G or 4G full reception battery dies so fast...

I do understand well that iPhones doesn't high capacity battery but saying that it has best battery life among other flagmans is a joke.
 
So maybe CNet, The Verge and etc are on Apple friends list? :) iPhones always had high WiFi browsing time, however talk time and standby were the weakness.

I have 5S and i'm not impressed by battery life which gsmarena and phonearena also confirms. It is ok if you surf the net via WiFi but when I start using 3G or 4G full reception battery dies so fast...

I do understand well that iPhones doesn't high capacity battery but saying that it has battery life is a joke.

It's just after 1am my time, and I've had my 6+ off charger since 9am. The battery is currently at 27% after 16 hours. My 5s couldn't last that long even with a Mophie case. So having battery life is an observable fact, not a joke.
 
It's just after 1am my time, and I've had my 6+ off charger since 9am. The battery is currently at 27% after 16 hours. My 5s couldn't last that long even with a Mophie case. So having battery life is an observable fact, not a joke.

According to Apple battery life tests 5S vs 6 no huge improvements. Maybe in real life it will be better :)
 
Here is why the iPhone 6/6 Plus didn't get more RAM.

So why not pick on the other guy?


Blimey, this is getting worse then the conflict in the Middle East. Honestly i don't think it was in the same constant level as what this vga dude is forcing down the threads. Just my view and reaction to a particular post that was way ott in my opinion.

Btw I'm not picking on anyone.
 
Blimey, this is getting worse then the conflict in the Middle East. Honestly i don't think it was in the same constant level as what this vga dude is forcing down the threads. Just my view and reaction to a particular post that was way ott in my opinion.

Btw I'm not picking on anyone.

I agree with Techgod...if you want to be the internet police, you need to pay a bit more attention and hand out your slaps on the hand to the party that instigated or both.
 
Peanuts adult banter. [/B]

Who are you trying to convince, because no one asked for clarification.

I'm perfectly fine with subpar specs and the ability to only have 1/4 of 1 tab open in safari.

I have no problem scrolling through thousands of low memory crash logs.

So, you're not here to convince me. I content with mediocrity.
 
I agree with Techgod...if you want to be the internet police, you need to pay a bit more attention and hand out your slaps on the hand to the party that instigated or both.


I'm also no internet police. Jeez what is up with people. I saw as post I didn't like the sound off and thought was in appropriate and voiced my opinion. Nothing more and nothing less. Not picking on people, no policing of the forums or anything.

To me I did not see another post that made me feel compelled to express my opinion. If you disagree, then fine why don't you express your opinion on that post instead of elevating me to some kind of important heights.

All this; but he said this first, or he looked funny at me first is such childish playground stuff.

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According to Apple battery life tests 5S vs 6 no huge improvements. Maybe in real life it will be better :)


6 no. 6 plus there is a huge difference. And as technically proven through the strip down the capacity is much larger so no great surprise.
 
I'm also no internet police. Jeez what is up with people. I saw as post I didn't like the sound off and thought was in appropriate and voiced my opinion. Nothing more and nothing less. Not picking on people, no policing of the forums or anything.

To me I did not see another post that made me feel compelled to express my opinion. If you disagree, then fine why don't you express your opinion on that post instead of elevating me to some kind of important heights.

All this; but he said this first, or he looked funny at me first is such childish playground stuff.

I do disagree and I am expressing my opinion on that post. Your post.
 
Seriously thanks for the explanation. I figured the actual things running on the page probably made a difference, but didn't realize it was to that extent. Interesting that you chose The Verge as an example. I've been having a lot of problems with that site in particular on my 6 Plus. I've received the error message at the top under the address bar that says "A problem occurred with this webpage so it was reloaded." several times over the past couple of days (not only on The Verge but mostly). The worst one was earlier today, where it kept loading The Verge and tried to reload unsuccessfully 3-4 times in a row. I was completely dumbfounded. Eventually it stopped and a message appeared in the middle of the screen that said "A problem repeatedly occurred on "http://www.theverge.com/".

Either Safari is horrible at memory management, iOS is horrible at memory management, or iOS devices need more RAM. All I know for sure is that something isn't right.

As for caching, even if the page is 60MB wouldn't that be able to be resumed from Flash storage fairly quickly? Do you know what the read/write speed is for the latest iOS devices? Surely it's over 60MB/s. 10 year old HDDs are faster than that. I'd rather wait a second (probably less) for my tab to pop back open than wait for the whole site to be reloaded, erasing all input fields.


I'm getting the same thing on my iPad Air. http://youtu.be/ZWf9vCWvE4k

It's gotten to the point that I almost can't visit The Verge site anymore. Not sure if the problem is resources on the iPad, or if it's some bad code on The Verge, but it sucks either.
 
I'm getting the same thing on my iPad Air. http://youtu.be/ZWf9vCWvE4k

It's gotten to the point that I almost can't visit The Verge site anymore. Not sure if the problem is resources on the iPad, or if it's some bad code on The Verge, but it sucks either.

Yeah, if the iPad Air 2 has 2GB of RAM I'm probably pulling the trigger and my wife will get my old Mini 2. If the extra RAM doesn't fix the problem, well then shame on Apple, lol.
 
The point is, and I can see you need help being shown this, is that two webpages do not take up enough RAM to be causing the tab reloads. Whether or not the full 1GB is available or not is irrelevant. A good portion is available and even half of a "good portion" is more than enough for 1 webpage in RAM. You also forgot to acknowledge the fact that my Macbook Pro with 16gb RAM reloads tabs constantly.

In my experience, iOS uses about 800MBs RAM when Safari isn't running. So Safari really doesn't have a whole lot of RAM to work with.


The disks we've been used to seeing on recent Macbooks are at least an order of magnitude faster than the storage we have in the iPhones, so that is one reason the laptops can get get away with using them. Power utilization becomes a bigger concern on phones as well, because if you implement writing to disk for more tasks, you are keeping the CPU from going idle more often that it would otherwise be able to when operating with memory instead - that memory can accomplish the same task faster allows the CPU to sleep earlier (provides savings in power, keeping temperatures closer to ideal levels, etc.). Here is a crude scenario (e.g. off the top of my head, non-optimized, etc.) - implementing disk caching on browsers causes situations such as when I was attempting to transfer Xcode to my phone; depending on how many objects are being created so that a particular site can be rendered, you are potentially running disk I/O for long periods of time, which can be detrimental to battery life. You can also run the risk of queuing sufficiently large amounts of disk I/O operations to the point of causing processes to stall (again, due to the low speeds of disk I/O).

These are the speeds I get on my 128GB iPhone 6+. This is faster than most platter based hard drives

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In my experience, iOS uses about 800MBs RAM when Safari isn't running. So Safari really doesn't have a whole lot of RAM to work with.

Memory usage in Apple OS's is not clear cut like that. If 800mb is used it doesn't mean that it is being "used", but reserved. The RAM handling is dynamic. Lots of preloading and cacheing of apps in order to save time and also memory writes in and out and hence battery.
 
No, the real reason is, the A8 chip has the CPU/GPU/1gb dedicated into one chip. As per Wiki and Ifixit. Apple would have to make the motherboard bigger if they want to add separate ram module.

They come in 1, 2, 3, 4 GB Drams for the same size and design for a smartphone. Apple is just to cheap to pay additional cost for the upgrade!
 
I'd love 2GB of RAM and whenever possible I like to double up on RAM, when building PC's I've been known to ram as much RAM (pun intended) as possible...maybe in a simple minded effort to just make things "better" but I've been using my rMBP which I only got 8GB of RAM for and compared to the 16GB RAM models its not insanely different...only difference is when I start doing INSANE things in video editing, I'm not talking about transcoding high res video I'm talking about doing some crazy ****** in After Effects and making the computer hot enough to cook breakfast, lunch and dinner....I don't think their is a whole lot on the iPhone 6 you can do that can push the RAM to the limit....I mean yeah opening a zillion tabs (which I am notorious for, I always have max tabs open) is one thing but I still find my phone to respond very well...
 
I'd love 2GB of RAM and whenever possible I like to double up on RAM, when building PC's I've been known to ram as much RAM (pun intended) as possible...maybe in a simple minded effort to just make things "better" but I've been using my rMBP which I only got 8GB of RAM for and compared to the 16GB RAM models its not insanely different...only difference is when I start doing INSANE things in video editing, I'm not talking about transcoding high res video I'm talking about doing some crazy ****** in After Effects and making the computer hot enough to cook breakfast, lunch and dinner....I don't think their is a whole lot on the iPhone 6 you can do that can push the RAM to the limit....I mean yeah opening a zillion tabs (which I am notorious for, I always have max tabs open) is one thing but I still find my phone to respond very well...


Apple is not simple minded... Merely ramming **** together and hoping it works better.
 
What's the point of this thread? Some people don't need more than 1gb of ram so that justifies to them why 1gb is ok in the iphone and others need more than 1gb which justifies why 1gb is not enough....

Apple came to a compromise on the engineering side and the business side. Most regular iphone users don't need or even know what 1gb of ram means so why put more in there? Being business savvy their going to cater to the majority who make them their money.
 
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