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Im not a expert in security but what about a thief that get an iPhone luckly unlocked. They can transfer all your info to a new iPhone without a iCloud password or anything? Are you serious? Even if they apply flight mode so you can't delete your stolen phone online while is being cloned? This is a serious risk. Correct me if I am wrong or tell me you have to activate or deactivate this function by an iCloud password. Thanks

It probably requires iCloud authentication. It’s not like some lone programmer whipped this up without any product review, feedback or QA.
 
Im not a expert in security but what about a thief that get an iPhone luckly unlocked. They can transfer all your info to a new iPhone without a iCloud password or anything? Are you serious? Even if they apply flight mode so you can't delete your stolen phone online while is being cloned? This is a serious risk. Correct me if I am wrong or tell me you have to activate or deactivate this function by an iCloud password. Thanks

No, and I do not see an increased risk compared to before.

No they need to get you to enter the passcode twice, once to unlock iPhone and once to confirm transfer on the “new” iPhone.
So even if the iPhone is unlocked they still need your passcode once more to start transfer.

But is was still possible for to extract data before iOS 12.4 by using iCloud, an iTunes backup, or other data extraction software, but again they need your passcode to Trust the computer.
 
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Apple this week released iOS 12.4, the newest version of iOS 12 available for iPhones and iPads. One of the new features in iOS 12.4 is an updated data migration option that uses device to device transfers rather than relying on iCloud.

Apple didn't provide much information on the new data migration feature, so we thought we'd check it out in our latest YouTube video.

[doublepost=1564056559][/doublepost]Late to the party. Have not read all the posts, but does this procedure also seamlessly migrate the e-sim data to the new device?
 
I believe the Chinese have had such features of device to device transfers for quite a few years already. Apple playing catch up here
 
Smart synchronisation:
  • iPhone send 2MB photo to iCloud
  • iPhone sends 2MB photo over WiFi or direct (AirDrop like) to iPad. iPad may validate file using its checksum against iCloud.
  • iPhone sends 2MB photo over WiFi or direct (AirDrop like) to Mac. Mac may validate file using its checksum against iCloud.
That's like 2,1MB of traffic over internet.

I have to say I understand the problem, but it is a very messy solution to implement. And opens up all sort of edge case problem.

Beyond that I strongly believe that Apple should offer an "iCloud (Photo) Server App" for OSX so you can just sync using your own hardware. But that way Apple can't make money using iCloud...

There is iCloud Server Cache in OSX Server package, which does what you need, but you still need an iCloud account for it to work, since it is cache only.
 
It seems Apple is aware of huge amount Phone 5S and 6/6+ (by my calculation up to 20 % of iPhones in usage) thet are cut of from iOS 13 so that is why they build it into iOS 12. Many of those devices are running in regions with poor infrastructure. There is also about 80 % of iCloud users only on free plan. Often not suitable for real backup.
Secondly it makes iPhone more independent from PC, same as Apple Watch will be made with Appstore.
Third you are doing one transfer instead of two but you have no backup then.
Forth it is more secure as no backup of your dates circulating anywhere.
And last Apple saved itself from providing more free data on iCloud to make back ups available for more people.
 
I have to say I understand the problem, but it is a very messy solution to implement. And opens up all sort of edge case problem.

There is iCloud Server Cache in OSX Server package, which does what you need, but you still need an iCloud account for it to work, since it is cache only.
I don't see any complex problems in the peer2peer synchronisation. In worst case fall back to either latest modified version or iCloud. If you take both devices offline, modify a picture on both of them and put them back online... voila... sync-problem even in the centralized iCloud synchronistion that is used right now.
On the other hand p2p sync will complete the sync much quicker which will actuall reduce sync issues. To be frank, I personally don't see any reason why iCloud is necessary at all for photos synchronization -except of course for backup and $$$.
I wasn't aware of the Server Cache in OSX Server (mostly because OSX Server is a dying product - I installed the client OS on my Mac Mini Server last year...). So, in theory, all the code would be already in place...
 
I don't see any complex problems in the peer2peer synchronisation.

It is additional layer of complexity, and security concerns. Which isn't something Apple tends to do. Even as simple as compressing or downloading Delta difference for Apps download like in Google Play never happened for Apple. Instead they continue to use the simple file based approach.

But if Google did something similar, I would bet Apple to follow in a few years time.
 
I start fresh and my system usually take me 5 minters from setup of a new iphone to to disabling thing like siri & suggestions on every single app, turning off Bluetooth, location services and hand off.

Companies always like to try and make it easy for data migration, but me ? .. i want all the work.
 
Does this data migration feature work for music or movies that are no longer available on iTunes? I have several classical music compilations that are no longer available on iTunes.

Does this migration feature work for music I have on my iPhone that is no longer available in the ITunes Store?
 
I wasn't aware of the Server Cache in OSX Server (mostly because OSX Server is a dying product - I installed the client OS on my Mac Mini Server last year...). So, in theory, all the code would be already in place...

Dying is a generous description of macOS Server... but actually the content caching is built right into regular macOS nowadays.
 
I don't think this is practical at the moment

You need 12.4 on both devices, but right now if you get a new phone it won't have 12.4 right out of the box

When you set up a new phone it asks to set up as new or restore from an existing phone early in the process, but wouldn't you have to go through the process to get the phone to function on Cellular or WIFI so you can upgrade to 12.4 so you can run this?
 
I don't think this is practical at the moment

You need 12.4 on both devices, but right now if you get a new phone it won't have 12.4 right out of the box

When you set up a new phone it asks to set up as new or restore from an existing phone early in the process, but wouldn't you have to go through the process to get the phone to function on Cellular or WIFI so you can upgrade to 12.4 so you can run this?
You can skip everything and head straight to update, reset, and go though 12.4 process to transfer data.
 
Really? Or just get the absolutely free one from Google, you know the one they pitch with a Pixel that is also available to everyone else?
Depends on the Pixel. A Pixel 3a doesn’t let you store the original sized photos without paying. The Pixel 3 does.
 
What are the pros and cons of

1 iTunes Restore
2 iCloud Restore
3 Phone to Phone restore.

I’ve always used option 1 but option 3 appeals now.
 
So with the Apple Upgrade Program you never get both iPhones at the same time? You have to return the old iPhone when you get your new iPhone. This means you have no working iPhone when getting home and restoring the backup?

Here in Norway the carrier Telenor offers a service called SWAP where you get a new phone every year and pay a monthly fee, almost exactly the same as Apple Upgrade Program.

When you order a new iPhone they mail it home and you have both iPhones for a few days to transfer/restore data and test everything before sending the old back.
After returning the old one it is placed into quarantine for 14 days and then you get an SMS/email confirming receipt of the old iPhone.
No. You get your new phone and you have 14 days from that date to return the old one.
 
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