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Whatever we think of Prosser and his actions, I don't think Apple's case is very solid from a legal perspective: it's based on a lot of supposition by Apple of who was doing what when etc - and as for their claim of damages I think Apple is going to have a hard time persuading a judge that the two defendant's actions actually caused quantifiable monetary harm to the ( 2+ trillion dollar) company. Damages have to be evidence based and U dont know how you can say, especially given that there were other leaks on other aspects - such as the hardware - around the same time - what it actually did to apple's revenue.
 
You don't pretend everything is ok on one podcast (Genius bar) and then go on another and put down your so called best friend. You talk about it in private and you keep it private. In my opinion Sam stabbed Jon in the back.

I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you simply mindlessly replied without watching the video.

If you have already seen it, no need to reply to this. In fact, put me on your ignore list, easier that way.
 
I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you simply mindlessly replied without watching the video.

If you have already seen it, no need to reply to this. In fact, put me on your ignore list, easier that way.

Why the need to respond to me then 🤷🏻 I see it that way, you obviously don't. I don't value people who do what Sam did, simple.
 
Stupid. You don’t ignore court dates.
I’ve spent a LOT of time in court over my career and I can tell you, regardless of the case or the issue. Judges HATE when people pull the no show shenanigans.

It never sits well. It shows a total disrespect for the court, the process and everyone involved (court clerks, stenographers, bailiffs, staff, etc). It’s a sure fire way to taint your case
 
No one has the right to steal and publicly reveal a company's confidential projects while living off of the attention gained from it. Especially while being so obnoxious and repulsive about it.
Much as it may drive us mad, being obnoxious and repulsive - doesn't come into legal argument. Unless it's towards the judge, of course...

As for "steal and publicly reveal" - that gets to the heart of the case - did Mr Prosser actually steal? That has yet to be proven. As for revelation - revealing something isn't necessarily an offense, especially if he claims to be doing it as part of a journalistic endeavour. I dont think Mac Rumors is in court every week because of what it reports


Frankly if i was the judge i think id throw out the case for bring frivolous/wasting court time. This is Apple we're talking abut. They arent going to be able to demonstrate material harm
 
You can ignore court dates; the court will find you guilty as charged. Sentencing next.

This isn't a criminal trial, it's civil. There is no guilt or innocence, but there is "liable" or "not liable".

A no show is liable. A no show at a criminal trial isn't guilty, but results in a warrant.
 
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This sounds like an Apple's lawyer take on what happened. Lipnik could have easily given the phone to Ramacciotti all on his own accord.
Do you have anything of substance that might easily make someone think that was a reasonable possibility or am I just reading a spaghetti on the wall comment?
 
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Do you have anything of substance that might easily make someone think that was a reasonable possibility or am I just reading a spaghetti on the wall comment?
Do you have any credibility or you chiming in to support Apple? Lots of Apple supporters on here ready to convict Prosser on a civil case where no evidence has even been disclosed yet.
 
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Do you have any credibility or you chiming in to support Apple? Lots of Apple supporters on here ready to convict Prosser on a civil case where no evidence has even been disclosed yet.

If Prosser has failed to respond and has no valid justification for failing to respond the evidence would become irrelevant.

The failure to respond would lead to a default judgement awarding Apple the relief Apple requested in their original filing.
 
It sounds like Lipnik is the actual leaker and party at fault here. Presumably, he signed a confidentiality agreement with Apple - and then broke that agreement. Case closed.

The other parties, presumably, haven’t signed agreements with Apple - so there’s no agreement to break. Which means the basis for going after the others must be that Apple believes they broke some general law (e.g. they broke in and stole information). But if someone leaves their door wide open, then is it really breaking in? How intrusive was the break in? Did the accused take photos from a distance through the wide-open door (ostensibly just republishing what is already public) or did they walk through the door into the house and rummage around?

Sounds like this is going to be an interesting case to follow.
Interesting twisting and curling to blame the victim here... wouldn't happen to be a lawyer would you? 😅

From the information we have (which is ALL we have), confidential information was stolen (key word here... not "given intentionally" or "leaked") from an unsecured laptop. "Unsecured" is what got the Apple employee fired. But he didn't intentionally "leak" the information.

Now, when you walk into a store and see an item on a shelf, it is also "unsecured", but that does not give you the right to walk out of the store with it without permission. That is called "theft".

But let's say you successfully steal something, and pass it on to someone who knows it stolen, and that person sells or profits off that stolen item. That person has also committed a crime.

The real victim here is Lipnik, who just went out for coffee or something and spaced on shutting down his laptop. Probably thinking he didn't need to because he trusted his "friend", and his "friend" cost him his job. All for clickbait.
 
A boss like being sued by apple and then be given a review unit of the iPhone Air for the first time. A boss like being stabbed in the back by your best friend, then carrying on making great content.
Got it, a boss like Fredo. He hasn’t even responded to the suit.
 
If Prosser has failed to respond and has no valid justification for failing to respond the evidence would become irrelevant.

The failure to respond would lead to a default judgement awarding Apple the relief Apple requested in their original filing.
There is another defendant in this case so a judge is unlikely to order a default judgment at this point regardless of what Apple wants.
 
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Do you have any credibility or you chiming in to support Apple? Lots of Apple supporters on here ready to convict Prosser on a civil case where no evidence has even been disclosed yet.
Apple not suing Lipnik or having him charged would seem to be evidence of carelessness versus criminal conspiracy.
 
btw, I think it's hilarious (in a sad, pathetic way) how there could be a article about Apple simultaneously ending world hunger while curing cancer, and someone would "yeah, but Liquid Glass sucks..." in the comments... 😂
 
There is another defendant in this case so a judge is unlikely to order a default judgment at this point regardless of what Apple wants.

Having multiple defendants does not preclude having a default judgement against one of them. Apple could obtain a default judgement against Prosser but have to wait for the other defendant's liability to be decided before being able to proceed with damages assessment.
 
btw, I think it's hilarious (in a sad, pathetic way) how there could be a article about Apple simultaneously ending world hunger while curing cancer, and someone would "yeah, but Liquid Glass sucks..." in the comments... 😂

Hey, priorities...
 
Got it, a boss like Fredo. He hasn’t even responded to the suit.

I’m not talking about the suit, i said what i said in my previous message. No guilt has been established at this point, but he has been stabbed in the back and still continued to make great content, even provided with a review unit of the iPhone Air.
 
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It sounds like Lipnik is the actual leaker and party at fault here. Presumably, he signed a confidentiality agreement with Apple - and then broke that agreement. Case closed.

The other parties, presumably, haven’t signed agreements with Apple - so there’s no agreement to break. Which means the basis for going after the others must be that Apple believes they broke some general law (e.g. they broke in and stole information). But if someone leaves their door wide open, then is it really breaking in? How intrusive was the break in? Did the accused take photos from a distance through the wide-open door (ostensibly just republishing what is already public) or did they walk through the door into the house and rummage around?

Sounds like this is going to be an interesting case to follow.

Ridiculous. You’re not allowed to access another persons device without authorization. No agreement is required.

If you leave your laptop open and I walk by and see something on the screen, there’s no foul. But if I sit down at your laptop and start browsing it (say it’s unlocked) that’s illegal.

Unauthorized access to a computer doesn’t mean you have to break in or steal their password.
 
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