Here's what (I think) is happening with iPad sizes.

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  1. Tapiture, Feb 24, 2017
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    Tapiture macrumors 6502

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    Next month Apple is going to announce its new iPad models: a 10.5 inch iPad, a 9.7 inch iPad, and a 12.9 inch iPad. The addition of this new size, the 10.5 inch, confused me at first because I thought the last thing the iPad lineup needed was to be more crowded. But it occurred to me that this wouldn't necessarily mean adding another model to the lineup. My analysis of the three sizes is that Apple is bumping up the size of the smaller Pro model by a small .8 inches, and essentially releasing an Air 3 in the 9.7 inch size that will NOT have the Pro line's Smart Connector or Pencil abilities but will get an A9 chip and some other spec bumps. This makes the most sense because it means the entire Pro lineup has a larger screen size (even if it's minimal) than the Air.

    As for pricing on the updated models, I anticipate the Air 3 will start at 399, the Pro 10.5 will start at 699+ (yes, this is going to be a high-end device), and the 12.9 will start at 799. If you missed Target's 150 off on the 9.7 Pro, the release of the 10.5 will likely create some pretty fantastic deals - that is if you don't mind the .8 inch difference and A10X processor.

    As for real revolutionary changes to the iPad lineup, you're going to have to wait for 2018. Apple plans on keeping the iPhone at the helm of innovation, and that includes edgelessness and OLED which we should not expect from iPad until next year. The 10.5 model will have drastically reduced bezels, but count on some bezel and a Taptic home button.

    UPDATES:
    - Apple have released an "Air 3" equivalent but I got the name wrong. They are simply calling it "iPad." The device starts at 329, 70 dollars less than I anticipated.
    - March has passed without release of any new Pros, and suppliers and an aggressive ad campaign suggest a later than expected release. So, I got the release date wrong.
    - Apple is calling their new "iPad" the fifth generation, counting out both Air models.
    - The 10.5 inch Pro has been released. It does have bezels and a home button and is more expensive than its predecessor, starting at 650.
    - No iPad Mini was released, indicating the mini line may indeed be through.
     
  2. sjleworthy macrumors 65816

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    i cant see them ditching the mini line. a whole product avenue thats most popular and left to the opposition? i doubt that.
     
  3. Tapiture thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Sorry I didn't mean to imply they were. I just didn't include the mini in my speculation because I haven't seen enough rumors about it.
     
  4. AceFernalld macrumors 65816

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    Interesting, you don't think this year's 10.5" is going to be edgeless? You think they're gonna make a new product with a bigger screen and keep the old design language? I think they would get clamored for lack of innovation if they did that.
     
  5. MacDarcy macrumors 65816

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    My thoughts on where the iPad line is going? No bezels! If the rumored 10.5" bezel-less iPad Pro will indeed be the same physical size as the 9.7" then would a bezel-less 9.7" be roughly the same physical size as the iPad mini and theoretically replace the mini? Or would apple keep a bezel-less mini as well? Because if Apple truly is going bezel-less for the 10.5" then it makes sense that they'll eventually remove bezels from the entire iPad line. I can't see Apple just having ONE iPad without bezels and the rest with bezels. No way. They'll want to unify the look of the ipads.

    Question is will they have a bezel-less 12.9", 10.5", 9.7" AND 7.9"? Will they still keep all 4 sizes? Or narrow it down to 3? Or perhaps will they keep the bezels on the non Pro versions to help differentiate them with the Pro versions?
     
  6. Tapiture, Feb 24, 2017
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    Tapiture thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I think they will definitely reduce the bezel size, but I think there still will be some bezel and definitely a home button. The latest rumors have said "similar chassis" to the 9.7, walking back earlier rumors saying that it would be the exact same chassis. Macrumors also posted a picture of a 10.5 inch piece of paper on top of the 9.7 iPad and small bezels remain with room for a home button and camera.

    EDIT: Here's that picture. Bezels do remain with the screen size and the current 9.7 inch chassis. Looks like enough for home button and camera.[​IMG]
     
  7. profets macrumors 68040

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    My guess at the moment is that there will be two iPad Pros and two iPads:

    12.9" iPad Pro
    10.5" iPad Pro
    Both will have 2732x2048 screen resolution which allows better multitasking

    9.7" iPad
    7.9" iPad
    Both will (currently do) have 2048x1536 screen resolution which is more tailored around single app use.

    Just a guess based on the current rumors. But honestly who knows what they're up to.
     
  8. MacDarcy macrumors 65816

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    Recent rumors are saying a Pro version of the mini will be announced. So who knows. Guess we'll find out soon enough.
     
  9. nutriousmitten macrumors regular

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    My (probably wrong) thought as I've thought about it more:
    Upgraded 12.9 Pro (Processor, True tone all upgrades)
    Upgraded 9.7 Pro (Processor, Ram)

    10.5 Air 3, or, Air Pro - Bezelless - specs at, or near the above two, some other differentiating features.

    Ipad Air 2S (spec bump from current Air 2) - Value model

    Mini Pro (Maybe? Spec bump of processor and truetone screen and speakers, to that of current IPP)
    Mini 4 - Value model

    Probably wrong, especially with the Air 2S, but I don't know where that leaves the "low end" Ipad price point without that model. Same with Mini 4 - that's a pretty powerful device, but would need a price drop to about what the Mini 2 is at. But, if there is no Mini Pro, then maybe they continue with the 4 and 2 as-is.

    My rationale as I've said in other threads, is that I can't see Apple having a "Pro" in two different styles (bezel-less and bezel), and, having only 1 year of the 9.7 Pro. So I can't see them ditching the 9.7 as a Pro. And, would they call their cheapest Ipad a "Pro"? Don't think so.

    And, further to naming; so the new model is the 10.5, priced close to the 12.9, doesn't look like the other two "Pro's" are. So it's the Air 3, or, Air Pro (if it can handle the pencil and smart connector) as opposed to the Pro 10.5...just as Iphone 8 will have its own name with the 7S launching beside it.

    Hopefully get a date of the keynote soon...just waiting to pick up something.
     
  10. profets macrumors 68040

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    I know. I think by Pro they're referring to the Pencil and Smart connector. But if every iPad has those features are they really all going to be called Pro?

    My thought is that if they really keep a 9.7 and 10.5 around at the same time for a total of 4 screen sizes, that something else will be used to differentiate them marketing-wise.

    But you're right - honestly who knows what they're up to. Naming is such a mess as it is already.
     
  11. Tapiture, Feb 25, 2017
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    Tapiture thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Interesting ideas, but I really don't think the 10.5 will be bezel-less. Maybe micro-bezels of like 1/4 inch but not none at all. If it were though, I would agree with you that they'd have to call it something other than Pro, since the other pro models aren't bezel-less. I also think they are always worried about a crowded lineup so I think they'll try to stick to 4 models. I'd also warn anyone holding 600 dollars for the 10.5. It's going to be more expensive - maybe even starting around the 800 mark.
     
  12. Dave245 macrumors 601

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    I still find it odd that they will make a 10.5" iPad Pro with redesigned bezels but leave the flagship 12.9" iPad Pro with the same design. So what new features are they going to give to those of us who brought the first gen 12.9" iPad Pro in order to get us to upgrade?

    Also there is a rumour that the iPads have been delayed until May - June time so we may not even get an event in March.
     
  13. Tapiture thread starter macrumors 6502

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    In my opinion bezels on the 12.9 look smaller because the screen is big.

    I'll be pissed if it's delayed. I really want to get a Pencil for my 9.7 pro but I'm trying to wait to see if they come out with a new and improved one.
     
  14. Dave245 macrumors 601

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    I can't see them doing that yet, what else would they add to a new Apple Pencil. I don't think we will get an Apple Pencil 2 or new keyboards until next year.
     
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    Shorter, eraser and a ***** pocket clip.... off the top of my head.... just say'n
     
  16. Andres Cantu macrumors 68030

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    Here's my predictions:

    iPad Pro 12.9" - A10X Fusion processor, 4GB of RAM, $799
    iPad Pro 10.5" - A10X Fusion processor (slightly under-clocked), 4GB of RAM, $649
    iPad Pro 7.9" - A10 Fusion processor (slightly over-clocked), 2GB of RAM, $499
    iPad Air 3 - A9X processor (slightly under-clocked), 2GB of RAM, no smart-connector or Apple pencil capability, $399
    iPad mini 4 - $299
     
  17. Tapiture thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I think they might release one that can stick to the side of the iPad.
    Yeah we have very similar predictions. I do think that the 10.5 will be closer to $700 though.
     
  18. Andres Cantu macrumors 68030

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    Yeah, that could very well be. Apple loves to increase the average cost per unit sold, although their price doesn't matter as much as sale prices.
     
  19. Dave245 macrumors 601

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    Yea even if they were to add those features I don't see it coming this year.
     
  20. AceFernalld macrumors 65816

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    Throwing my predictions into the ring:

    iPad mini 4 at $299
    iPad Air 3 at $399
    Reduced bezel iPad Pro 7.9" at $499
    Reduced bezel iPad Pro 10.5" at $599
    Reduced bezel iPad Pro 12.9" at $799
     
  21. Tapiture thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Although I dispute the possibility of another 9.7 Pro (I believe new models will be playing catch up and current 9.7 pro will be moving up to a 10.5 display and higher price), if they did indeed release another 9.7 I think 10.5 prices would definitely start in the 700s or 800s.
     
  22. gobikerider macrumors 68000

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    My predictions

    "iPad Mini" $300 updated with A9 processor and goes back to Mini 2 body and unlaminated display.
    "iPad" $330 A9 processor iPad Air body and display
    "iPad Pro" 10.5 $600 and 12.9 models $800 - A10X 16 Core Gpu? 4Gb Ram across the lineup, Edge to Edge Displays with Truetone. Upgraded camera to bring parity to iPhone 7 single lens. Upgraded 4 speakers (improved quality).
     
  23. kazmac macrumors 601

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    I'd be all over the 10.5" with those specs and price point.
     
  24. gobikerider macrumors 68000

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    That's what I'm gonna probably get although I've been playing with a 12.9 inch in stores the past week and I really love that giant canvas. I'll need to see if 10.5 inches makes a noticeable difference or else I'm probably going to jump to the 12.9inch. I don't want to spend $600+ and then feel like the screen is cramped.
     
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    Good points.
     

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