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Here's why I can not adjust to android
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I can't tell if you either don't understand context or prefer not dealing with it because it's not helpful to you? Yes, Android is on the lionshare of devices in the world. This is because it's a free OS. Free vs Premium, free will always be adopted wider. HOWEVER, in this instance, y'know - CONTEXT, what the poster was describing is a very real problem in Android: adoption of features lags badly because the OS is shoved onto every and any device without regard to user experience or need.
Also, as far as your troll comment goes...for real? I'm an Apple guy posting to an Apple site *because* I am biased towards their hardware for specific reasons talking to...an ANDROID GUY who posts to an APPLE SITE. If I'm trolling, I'm failing cause being an Apple fan on MACrumors would seem to be akin to arguing with eskimos about how cool snow is.
Multitasking on the iPhone is phenomenal. It's set up in such a means so that you have advantages of multitasking without the disadvantages Android users face, i.e. lag, phones running hot, etc. The argument that Android has "true multitasking" is completely meaningless in real world usage. In fact, because of the above reasons mentioned it's actually a drawback at times.
Also, tech savvy people don't tend to gravitate towards Android. This is a tired and dead cliche. Tech savvy people who need their devices for a living require a stable, secure device that allows them to work seamlessly with Enterprise features. That ain't Android.
That guy owns a GS7 Edge, Nexus, and virtually every Note, LG, and HTC that came before, and again you require a 3rd party bake in vs the native OS doing it. Not to mention the implementation of quick reply in iOS vs any of the flavors of Android OEM dusts it in every single instance. I'm hopeful that Android N finally gets it right.
Yeah, the Amazon notification is so cool! It shows a picture of your package with a GIANT AMAZON LOGO! SO advanced! Like Aliens are IN my phone! 😉
Yes, but odds are you'll wind up buying her an Android device because it's the cheapest option and she'll be stuck with you yelling at her that it would work better if she would just root it!
Michael Goff
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And that is a problem in terms of updates. Even if Samsung is getting better, and they are, you're still waiting at least 3 months.
Yes, for full version updates, I agree.
But my point is the majority of users are not missing out on Android features that the manufacturer skin already provides.
spinedoc77
macrumors G4
Yes nonsense is the perfect word to describe what you say. Technology by its very nature requires some kind of a learning curve. Part of my point was some of the technology that Android has "makes our lives *easier*", to go by your own specific definition. My point was that there a line has to be drawn in relation to how much functionality you can have, versus the accessibility, and in that I agree with you, although that is quite obvious I didn't think it needed to be stated. Dumbification comes in when technology is made too simple where it begins to affect functionality. Having 10 pages of icons is a perfect example of dumbification, the simplifying of the home screens causes way too much clutter and reduces the functionality. You can't simply glance at your homescreen and glean what you need at a single glance. What's shocking to me is that YOU misunderstand this. Even Apple understands this, which is exactly why they added in folders, spotlight/search and pulldown widgets, they are trying to regain some of the functionality they've lost by dumbifying the home screen. But I get it, you really really like iOS and require validation for your purchases. I think that's a personal issue, not an iOS vs. Android story.
As for the 2nd part, are you trying to say driving a car is LESS technical than operating a smartphone? Lol, yeah ok, how is that dream land? Tell you what, you hand over your car keys to your 12 year old kid, and I'll hand my smartphone to my 12 year old kid, and let's see who has less grief at the end of the day.
Also: Sexist stereotyping, gah I hate that self righteous crap. I mean a mom dropping her kid off to play soccer, a legitimate consumer of smartphones. They can be of varying levels, maybe it's a female neurosurgeon dropping her kids off, but it's a member of the general public. Additionally no one said anything about rooting an android device, why would you even bring that up? My phone isn't rooted and I didn't even mention it.
At the end of the day what you say doesn't make sense because iOS still has the learning curve of setting up widgets, not much different than Android. The only point I've ever made in this thread about functionality has been specifically about widgets.
spinedoc77
macrumors G4
It's not the tropes we need to get over, it's the intentions behind them. As long as we concentrate on the tropes, we will get nowhere except to have everyone be politically correct while still believing the same exact thing inside their head. It's s imilar to the idiots who say don't swear or curse, but who cares about a word? It's the meaning and intention behind them that needs to be addressed.
I also never "assigned a deficiency to someone based on their race, gender, or class", guess what YOU did. In no way, shape or form did I assign a deficiency to anyone by using the term soccer mom. Guess what my wife drops my daughter off to soccer, but she is a high level bank executive who uses an iPhone.
On your side note, I don't disagree, but you chose to be in this discussion. I could say there is an element of elitism and snobbery in the "it just works" crowd, similar to those PC versus Mac ads years ago, or all the nonsense we hear about virus protection, security, etc. I can't post about windows and walk 2 feet before someone jumps in and tells me they had 3 blue screens in the past half hour.
You also have to understand why I think dumbification is a bad thing. I think it's a bad thing for consumers and the industry. You're absolutely right in that I should NOT tell you how to use your smartphone, but I didn't. The advent of iOS was great, it was a technology which needed to be simplified in order to save on weight, battery life, thickness, cost, and certainly the phone/tablet UI's of the day were horrible and Apple did the world a huge service by rethinking them. But time marches on and we should always be looking to increase functionality, not be locked to the past. Although I don't blame Apple one iota, they are making money hand over fist so why should they push that envelope? They are making triple off of these consumers convincing them they need an ipad AND a laptop, smart company.
What you just described isn't a functional issue, it's a preference. You think having rows of icons in a subfolder (app drawer) is less "cluttered" (I didn't realize "clutter" was a function?). That's preference. Where and how the apps are places has zero impact on their usage/usability.
Yes, driving a car is less technical than operating a smart phone, absolutely. THe idea that the consequences of mismanagement can be more dangerous doesn't change that. (I'd suggest pulling the trigger on a gun is less technical than using a remote, so let's again be clear: consequence of misuse isn't the same as arguing for technical difficulty). Stupid analogy poorly made on your part.
My argument was never that there is zero learning curve to iOS. Simply that technology exists to be accessible to as broad a spectrum as possible to make lives easier.
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Good! Still waiting for you to show specific examples of this that don't include "Gee, I just really like having my apps in a row in an app drawer instead of the home screen."
spinedoc77
macrumors G4
No, I described a functionality, specifically looking for an app to open, and also glancing at my homescreen for information. Clutter isn't a function? What the heck, if I didn't have you quoted no one would believe you actually said something that dumb.
As for the car, ok go give your keys to your 12 year old, lol. You're nuts if you think driving a car is less technical. You need a drivers license to drive a car, which requires a written and practical test. Those tests require learner's permits, which require licensed instruction and hours of practice, which are mandatory in most schools. The roads are covered with signs telling you what you can and can't do, where you can and can't go, and how to drive your car as to not endanger yourself or others. There are thousands and thousands of laws which have to do with cars, how to use them, etc. Interestingly enough, I don't see any of that for smartphones. Yeah a car is quite a bit more technical than operating a smartphone. Pulling trigger on a gun is much less technical, but what's your point? It's not adding to your discussion, it's just a random statement, I never argued the technicality of guns. STUPID analogy poorly made on YOUR part, congrats you're just getting deeper.
I never said you said there was zero learning curve to iOS. I also don't disagree with your definition of technology, it's just that you didn't apply that definition in any meaningful way to our discussion.
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I've provided specific examples, the very first post you responded to was such a specific example. Try harder, or maybe read what I write before responding. You might actually have some intelligent arguments to make, instead of dropping down to a 2nd grade level and fake quoting me.
Anyhow feel free to PM me if you would like to continue this discussion. I'd rather not clutter up the thread with this. We disagree, and as is the way of forums will probably never agree and I'd rather avoid 3 pages of back and forth accomplishing nothing.
Wait, what? You do understand the word "clutter" in an of itself simply describes a visual preference, right? If your argument is that WIDGETS that provide at a glance info is superior NOT having widgets, you do understand someone could argue that a screen filled with widgets is clutter, right? I think the problem is either you're using words incorrectly or you need to use different words.
TOTALLY missed the point, but I'm not shocked at all. Here, I'll try again:
Your argument with the car analogy is that USING a car has a learning curve, which would be correct. However it is a technology in and of itself that is made easier for the end user, which is what technology is supposed to do. You then tried to prove it's more difficult to use because a child using it would be dangerous. The two are not analogous, which is where my gun point came from. The danger that might result from someone using something doesn't inherently make it a more difficult technology to learn. That's why your original analogy was dirt awful. Doubling down on it by bringing up licensing and laws specifically because operating a two ton vehicle can be dangerous doesn't score any more points for you.
Again, choose different words.
You haven't provided anything beyond "clutter." Your dumbification theory thus far amounts to "I like widgets." If that's all ya got, I'll take you at your word. 🙂
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Awww how sweet, some of your best friends are soccer moms! Spare me. Your usage of the phrase was absolutely meant to denigrate. And please don't bother using empty phrases like "politically correct" as cover for saying crappy things about people you want to put down.
spinedoc77
macrumors G4
I never argued what the definition of the word clutter was, YOU did. I did say that a home screen full of widgets is superior functionally to a home screen full of icons. Yes someone could say a screen full of widgets was clutter, so what? Another pointless point. But keep trying, it's fun.
As for the car, nope you're just not making sense regardless of the icing you keep putting on the feces of an argument. My point was that if a "person" (I won't use my previous phrase so as not to offend anyone) can learn to drive a car, a MUCH more technical function than using a smartphone, then they should be able to learn to use a smartphone. Yes a child can operate a smartphone, no a child cannot operate a vehicle, what's so difficult? How dangerous it is isn't relevant. If you believe your child has the technical skills and know how to drive a car, then by all means let them drive! Take the danger out of it, put them on a closed course where they can't crash, they still won't be able to drive the car and my point would remain the same. In shooting down that argument I think your gun argument has also been soundly shot down as well (no pun intended), so no comment needed there. It seems like you are just sore because you actually told people on a public forum that driving a car was less technical than operating a smartphone and you are doing this weird, desperate backpedaling from that statement.
My dumbification theory amounts to more than that, but you don't seem to like to read my statements so why bother discussing it? Seriously, why bother with the time waste? Oh and another 2nd grade fake quote, cool!!
My phrase of soccer mom was not meant to denigrate anyone, but I do realize that it's incredibly easy to find those who are insecure and overly sensitive in today's world. What I find empty is trying to adjust someone's verbiage, but not taking into account their meanings and intentions. That's quite shallow and only makes the world worse.
Once again I'll ask you to respond to me in private messaging. I've stated my thoughts, you don't agree with them and I'll bet no one cares about what either of us have to say. Just hit that PM button and I'll be more than glad to discuss whatever you would like to.
I think it's great for your self esteem that you keep insisting you shot this down, made that great point, etc. You pretty much know no one else is gonna take the gig. 😉
Thanks for the offer to PM. I think I'm all good on *precisley* where you stand on things.
The Game 161
macrumors Nehalem
I have a home screen filled with widgets on my S7 edge
Would most see it as clutter when i have like 10 widgets on all of my pages? yeah i'm sure as would people who see like 20 apps on my pages.
However to mean these widgets are great access to see what the latest stories are and scores are without need to wait to open each app.
same with the s planner widget..i can see exactly whats on my calendar without needing to go into the app.
Would most see it as clutter when i have like 10 widgets on all of my pages? yeah i'm sure as would people who see like 20 apps on my pages.
However to mean these widgets are great access to see what the latest stories are and scores are without need to wait to open each app.
same with the s planner widget..i can see exactly whats on my calendar without needing to go into the app.
I think my point here would be "clutter" is purely preference. I have zero judgements about how many widgets or apps you have on a home screen. Conversely the amount you prefer doesn't make your phone more/less functional than someone else's.
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spinedoc77
macrumors G4
I couldn't live without my widgets, the amount of information they provide at a single glance is incredible. I'd post up some screenshots, but you guys all know what I'm talking about, and I'm feeling lazy today. To have all my email, text messages, oneNote notes, calendar, to do, google voice inbox, a freakin live video of my kid, etc is just priceless and offers an insane amount of functionality. I'm talking about the difference between hunting for a dozen apps, opening them, digesting the information and then closing them versus seeing the information from those dozen apps at a single glance.
In relation to clutter, I highly suggest Nova launcher. You can resize widgets and also remove the padding and make them look VERY organized and svelte. I also dig having multiple docks, another huge advantage over iOS.
The Game 161
macrumors Nehalem
Michael Goff
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That, except even when they do it better they will create something useful and then abandon it. Look at Hangouts. Complete disaster. Relying on 3rd party workarounds bodes ill for the same reason at times. Unstable, unreliable ecosystem and software development.
Michael Goff
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Except once they throw a system level thing in there, it isn't likely to be "abandoned ".
Savor
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I was using Lucky Patcher yesterday and thinking not bad! Check it out if you sideload PAID apps and need a verification license for them.
I used these useful apps before -
Wakelock Detector
All In One Gestures
Lazy Swipe
Du Battery Saver (more accurate than GSam for SOT)
Still some great apps but only needed to rid of some since I needed less apps to run in the background. I think it was the Nexus One's less than 200 MB internal storage that taught me how to be a minimalist with apps. And the other phones with poor battery life or low RAM taught me how to be frugal with apps to use. I realized even certain browsing apps kill more battery life than others like Opera Mini. So limitations taught me to be frugal and make it run better.
I think my phones with sd cards can't get Roehsoft RAM Expander to work. I keep getting invalid argument. Only the Xiaomi with internal storage can get the amount of RAM I want to swap and it just flies with up to 3 GB RAM. But I still get 200-400 RAM anyway on the other phones and it does seem to act smoother and a tad faster if the swapfile is there and isn't deleted. Again, maybe it is some placebo effect but I can't help to notice how smoother they are even with Roehsoft stating invalid argument.
The beauty of Android is IF the user is willing to take time tinkering every little detail with it, you can make a 7 or 8 rated phone and make it run as fast and as smooth as a 9 rated phone at a fraction of the cost. That's why the lines between midrange and flagships is quite blurred to me these days. Do people need to spend $600-$700 for a QHD? If the camera sucks, download a better camera app and make it your default. Better try to mirror each phone with the same apps.
I think it is a ripoff paying anything higher than $300-$700 just for ONE phone when you can buy plenty of $100-$200 with reasonable specs and the tasks and performance is nearly the same. The more, the merrier. Then just balance it out with solid maintenance apps that can make each phone run smoothly and know each of the strengths and weaknesses to use tag team them for certain situations.
I like to use two phones for a certain part of the day. When both reach like under 50%, I use the other three while the other two charge. That's why everyday when I see my relatives who live next door, I will carry a different phone or phones depending on what we will be doing. If we travel, I bring the ones with the best camera and battery life. One $700 flagship isn't worth it or even enough for me to use. Rather a minimum of four with each one tinkered to my liking.
I used these useful apps before -
Wakelock Detector
All In One Gestures
Lazy Swipe
Du Battery Saver (more accurate than GSam for SOT)
Still some great apps but only needed to rid of some since I needed less apps to run in the background. I think it was the Nexus One's less than 200 MB internal storage that taught me how to be a minimalist with apps. And the other phones with poor battery life or low RAM taught me how to be frugal with apps to use. I realized even certain browsing apps kill more battery life than others like Opera Mini. So limitations taught me to be frugal and make it run better.
I think my phones with sd cards can't get Roehsoft RAM Expander to work. I keep getting invalid argument. Only the Xiaomi with internal storage can get the amount of RAM I want to swap and it just flies with up to 3 GB RAM. But I still get 200-400 RAM anyway on the other phones and it does seem to act smoother and a tad faster if the swapfile is there and isn't deleted. Again, maybe it is some placebo effect but I can't help to notice how smoother they are even with Roehsoft stating invalid argument.
The beauty of Android is IF the user is willing to take time tinkering every little detail with it, you can make a 7 or 8 rated phone and make it run as fast and as smooth as a 9 rated phone at a fraction of the cost. That's why the lines between midrange and flagships is quite blurred to me these days. Do people need to spend $600-$700 for a QHD? If the camera sucks, download a better camera app and make it your default. Better try to mirror each phone with the same apps.
I think it is a ripoff paying anything higher than $300-$700 just for ONE phone when you can buy plenty of $100-$200 with reasonable specs and the tasks and performance is nearly the same. The more, the merrier. Then just balance it out with solid maintenance apps that can make each phone run smoothly and know each of the strengths and weaknesses to use tag team them for certain situations.
I like to use two phones for a certain part of the day. When both reach like under 50%, I use the other three while the other two charge. That's why everyday when I see my relatives who live next door, I will carry a different phone or phones depending on what we will be doing. If we travel, I bring the ones with the best camera and battery life. One $700 flagship isn't worth it or even enough for me to use. Rather a minimum of four with each one tinkered to my liking.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
Way too much work. I want to not do anything special to my phones. For that it's worth it paying "top dollar." Time is money.
QuarterSwede
macrumors G4
You're out of your mind. Multitasking on my work issue Samsung tablet is horrendous. I hate having to manage all the open apps that I only opened to get some small bit of work accomplished and then didn't need the rest of the day. On iOS I don't have to worry about those apps sucking my battery dry as they'll save and close automatically. Android is just plain wasteful in this regard.
Chill. I'm stuck on Kitkat at work and it doesn't have actionable notifications. Just infuriating ones that I always have to clear. Ain't nobody got time fo dat.
I did some quick research and found nothing on it. Apparently I was mistaken. If someone could post a video showing the benefits I am interested to see what Android is doing.
spinedoc77
macrumors G4
I disagree that you *have* to tinker with an android phone to make it run well. That may be slightly true for Samsung, but phones from Motorola and the Nexus lines perform pretty flawlessly. There is this belief that you have to root and then spend hours and have technical know how to get an Android phone to run. This may have been true 3 or 4 generations ago, but it simply isn't the case anymore.
John Mcgregor
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Slightly? Are you insane? Do you have any idea how much **** i had to disable or delete to make it work at what i call an acceptable level? I remember like it was yesterday when i took it out of the box and went through a setup process. Also that setup process. Calling it long would be understatement. So when i set it up i charged the phone and took of to work. first few days when i got back home it would be at 30-40% battery level at the most and i was barely doing anything except few calls and message and some web browsing during a break.
When i disabled all that **** ( all the worlds instagrams, drop boxes, ondedrives, and goole ****.) it now would be at around 70% battery when i got back fro work. Joe the average or Joe that could not care less would be using this phone with all the **** enabled even though he will not use any of that and would be suffering horrible user experience.
Oh and not to forget before i did any of that phone would become glitchy as ****. After i disabled that **** it was like i had a different phone.
On iOS i don't have to do any of this nor do i get the feeling i need to to do something like that.
And this is international unlocked model. American will be much worse.
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