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Sure they're relevant. As relevant as the #1 manufacturer of plastic, single-mold lawn-chairs.

There's a market for everything. HP is proof.

Seen as though HP were the first (and only still) vendor to see the potential in Apple's Airprint technology and they are a large brand in the tech industry (despite poor financial results), I'd say what HP are saying is credible. Not saying Thunderbolt is going to fail*, just saying that HP did probably have reasons for saying this and are not just deliberately refusing to play ball.

*However I do have the feeling USB 3 will be the most used, as it keeps backward compatibility with many older USB devices whereas Thunderbolt has... um.. what does it actually have???
 
The discrete graphics chips in MBPs and iMacs support at least 4 (more often 6) displays with DisplayPort 1.2

DisplayPort 1.1a cannot support a 30" 3D monitor.
Can you link me to a laptop that can support 6 monitors?
 
Just to remind you, Intel intents to implement USB3.0 in their next chipsets, which probably replace USB2.0 ports on Macs altogether like we saw with FW800 on PPC Macs. After this, it's not question of Thunderbold vs. USB3.0 anymore, rather a shakespearian "to implement Thunderbolt or to no implement Thunderbolt".

I guess HP just wants to stall the investment of $5 for the Thunderbolt chip and connector on every HP PC, plus AMD is not really convinced of it, either.

But in the end, what's not to like about the possibility have an external connector for PCIe x4? USB is just an immediate technology, as anyone archived an external PCI bus. Unifying external PCIe and display port is actually not such a bad idea, as all last-gen machines had were FW800, USB and display connectors.
 
Im the last person to disagree with that statement (for lack of domain knowledge)...but I cant find anywere to confirm the 20+Gbps raw bandwidth on DP 1.2. Im just curious. Thanks
DisplayPort v1.2 increases performance by doubling the maximum data transfer rate from 10.8 Gbps (Giga-bits-per-second) to 21.6 Gbps, greatly increasing display resolution, color depths, refresh rates, and multiple display capabilities.
http://www.displayport.org/consumer/sites/default/files/VESADP1_2Final.pdf
 
Can you link me to a laptop that can support 6 monitors?

I am not sure these AMD chips can support more than 3 displays per DisplayPort path. If this is the case, you could at most have the built-in in one path and 3 externals on the other path (connector), with one connector.

But it means the MBP could support 2x 30" 2D displays or 1x 30" 3D display (when available).
 
I'm hoping TB can be used as the transport for virtualized cpu & gpu and I'm hoping Lion will be the software that makes it happen. My iMac can host 2 additional virtualized cpu & gpu's that are connected to 2 separate displays and input devices connected by TB. Think of it as local cloud computing. Not just cloud storage.
 
HP - Value Proposition? Really?

Thunderbolt is so far ahead of EVERYTHING else, Thunderbolt everywhere inevitable.

Thunderbolt IS LightPeak.

Thunderbolt is a video connector, so it'll replace VGA & HDMI. DisplayPort is on EVERY new Mac (via the mini DisplayPort connector) and Thunderbolt connects through the SAME mini DisplayPort connector. USB will be for mice & other slow devices, and really, you probably won't "need" USB in 5 yrs.

USB3 is NOT well supported nor adopted by third party vendors either because it too is pretty new, and "Average Consumers" are content with USB2.

For similar costs, end users could get 10 Gigabit Thunderbolt (twice the speed of 5Gb USB3). And Thunderbolt can daisy chain 6 devices from a single port, and it supports 4Gb FiberChannel networking (SANLink - Fibre Channel adapter) and more devices are coming quickly (much quicker then for USB3).
 
I'm not saying that TB could not offer other advantages, you went on to mention a few of them in your post, but the uninformed view that it will magically make huge improvements to sync speeds is not one of them.

Apple should just use TB with iOS to make it popular. Faster syncing would be nice though. But why not using the popularity of iPhone and iPad to push TB acceptance.
 
Maybe sony does not want to clobber the DisplayPort standard. And maybe this connector is just for data.
Looks like it since the laptop already has VGA and HDMI. The display + data was a load of garbage from the start since the display has to be on the final end of the chain. Who wants their display to go out everytime they change external HDs?
 
Looks like it since the laptop already has VGA and HDMI. The display + data was a load of garbage from the start since the display has to be on the final end of the chain. Who wants their display to go out everytime they change external HDs?

Or maybe more likely, Sony does not want DisplayPort at all and want people to stick to HDMI.
 
Cite your sources, it is fairly common knowledge that the current revision of thunderbolt will work with the optical revision.

ok, let's do this in a way you can understand.

why would a component WITHOUT an optical connector HAVE an optical module? to make it more expensive?

so you will have a thunderbolt 2.0 that is optical and you connect it to the ones you have now with? an adapter to convert the optical signal?
so... you'll have a connection with the bottleneck of the adapter.

will current units work with the optical ones? NO
will current units work with the optical ones with an adapter? most likely yes but with a huge bottleneck.



you can google it to be sure but since it all came from my head you'll probably be redirected to this post.
 
Looking at the thunder bolt port from the picture, I can see some may think it's the power cord connection.

I don't think apple will have to abandoned it, it replaced the mini-display port now correct?
 
ok, let's do this in a way you can understand.

why would a component WITHOUT an optical connector HAVE an optical module? to make it more expensive?

so you will have a thunderbolt 2.0 that is optical and you connect it to the ones you have now with? an adapter to convert the optical signal?
so... you'll have a connection with the bottleneck of the adapter.

will current units work with the optical ones? NO
will current units work with the optical ones with an adapter? most likely yes but with a huge bottleneck.



you can google it to be sure but since it all came from my head you'll probably be redirected to this post.


I'm sorry, but you are wrong. Why would having the optical transceiver 1cm closer to the machine inside the port be any faster than in the cable connector? They are keeping cost down for a majority of users because optical will be used primarily for long distance runs 5m-100m where signal degrades.

Read Intel's site, the current version is compatible with optical cables since the transceivers are built into the cable connectors, and WILL ALWAYS BE.

There is no break in compatibility planned for your so-called jump to 2.0
 
Thunderbolt is so far ahead of EVERYTHING else, Thunderbolt everywhere inevitable.
Define "everywhere".

Thunderbolt is a video connector, so it'll replace VGA & HDMI. DisplayPort is on EVERY new Mac (via the mini DisplayPort connector) and Thunderbolt connects through the SAME mini DisplayPort connector. USB will be for mice & other slow devices, and really, you probably won't "need" USB in 5 yrs.
You really think TB is gonna replace the video cable/video technology industry? No way. USB, as you said, is great and fine for "slow" devices...but you are defining slow as a mouse. USB 2.0 is currently TERRIFIC for (consumer use case list): mice, keyboards, digital cameras (as they are typically 2-4GB of data), USB Flash keys (1-8GB typically), printers (you typically send at most a 25page doc to your home printer...not to mention a high percentage of wireless printers are available for $150), Flip cameras storing 8GB of vid, and finally...transferring maybe 20-50GB of data. Those are the uses for 90% of consumers out there and USB 2.0 is plenty fast (even though everyone loves something faster). The 10% other people are the ones who want to copy 500GB often...or attach a digital vidcam and offload 100GB of footage...that's it my friend.

USB3 is NOT well supported nor adopted by third party vendors either because it too is pretty new, and "Average Consumers" are content with USB2.
Where have you been? There are currently over 130 external hard drives available with USB 3.0...all about $5 more than their USB 2.0 predecessor of the same size. Are there USB 3.0 printers and digital cameras yet? I dunno...but again, USB 3.0 is really meant for large amounts of data in comparison to USB 2.0 (not to mention that everyone in the world will gladly love to have a faster technology). USB 3.0 has been "out" for over a year. Where's TB? Oh yea...sometime this summer. And have you seen the pricetag for that TB drive that was listed somewhere else on MR previously?! Like $1700+. If you're willing to spend $1700, you can buy tried, tested, and working stuff now that is much cheaper and likely the same or very close to performance...but if you want to be the early adopter, go ahead.

For similar costs, end users could get 10 Gigabit Thunderbolt (twice the speed of 5Gb USB3). And Thunderbolt can daisy chain 6 devices from a single port, and it supports 4Gb FiberChannel networking (SANLink - Fibre Channel adapter) and more devices are coming quickly (much quicker then for USB3).

Ok. And how does that help 90% of consumers with their typical use cases? And tell me again where I can find more than 130 TB devices like I already can with USB 3.0.

You are missing the whole point of this thread. Go back and look at my previous posts and others. TB is a GREAT technology. Nobody doubts that. USB 3.0 is ALSO A GREAT TECHNOLOGY. Who will be adopted the most (interesting that Intel owns both of these technologies)? In most people's eyes, since USB is already the clear standard, it will be USB 3.0...due to it's speed, 1 year jump, it's backwards compatibility (which is huge), and it's brand/market recognition.

For the diehard prosumer people out there that need the fastest, blazingest, hottest i/o...you're gonna buy yourself some real internal hard drives an not limit yourself to USB or FW or TB...or load up your workstation with 64GB of RAM...and/or get yourself some SSDs...and/or get yourself some Don't bottleneck yourself with an external drive.

Again, TB is a great performance technology. But performance does not guarantee a product will be the most widely adopted/owned.
 
I think I like Sony's approach to Thunderbolt better.

I mean, why extra cables? if I can use one single cable type (USB3/TB compatible) throughout devices, that's the standard I would pick.

By going with mini DP, we basically have to add one more type of cable while using USB devices.

If USB-IF really worked out a deal with Sony to use USB3 ports as TB port... please Apple, just follow it. I don't want your TB to go the way FW800 has gone. I don't mind having a little adapter to adapt from current miniDP form to USB form...

Perhaps this was the reason why all the announced TB products are having non-firm release date?
 
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