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Hewlett Packard Not Convinced of the Value of Thunderbolt

Two main reasons why I want a new computer

1. Faster CPU and more ram, but not the point of this thread.

2. Thunderbolt and industry to get a move on with releasing products for it.

I do a lot of photography and video work (as well as having a large selection of music). I need to be able to transfer / access multiple files quickly. Also, because I am way beyond being able to store backups on DVD (would take about 100 or more); I do backups the following way for protection against drive failure:

1. Manually copy my internal drive data files to an external drive that has even more files on a daily basis.
2. Manually copy the entire external drive to another external drive weekly.
3. Use Time Machine backups to backup all 3 drives.

Why do I do this? I already had one time machine backup drive become non-accessable, forcing me to plug it into a windows machine in order to upgrade the firmware. Once the firmware was upgraded, then I had to plug it back into my mac and reformat it.

I need a thunderbolt array with 6 drives. 4 for data, two would be the time machine backup with mirror.
 
Shows how near sighted HP is, or they just want to poopoo it because Apple is using it. Isn't it a superset of USB3 (display port + USB3)? Maybe since they don't use display port, they don't feel the need it?
 
Slurpy2k8 said:
And HP's opinion is relevant, why? Not sure what they've contributed to the industry, besides being another PC maker clone, so their 'value proposition' is of little concern. The smartest think theyve ever done is to buy Palm. Thunderbolt is an amazing technology, I only hope it is supported by peripherals.
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Haha, fanboy. :D I was quite surprised it took this long for such a comment. Not sure what HP has contributed to the industry? Really? Wikipedia's your friend! While I probably wouldn't buy an HP computer in a long time they're certainly a big player, not only in computers but also accessories, so their opinion does carry some weight.
 
dr Dunkel said:
For a standard setting brand, Apple sure takes a lot of adapters to fit into the world.
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iBook:

Mini VGA to VGA
Mini VGA to S-video/composite

MacBook:

Mini DVI to VGA
Mini DVI to DVI
Mini DVI to HDMI

MacBook Pro:

Mini DP to VGA
Mini DP to DVI
Mini DP to HDMI
MINI DPi + USB to Dual-Link DVI

Yikes! :eek:

Cheaper to buy an ACD in the long run and dump the old computers and monitors even if they are still working fine.

Apple is going to try and drag us kicking and screaming into the new Millennium whether we like it or not.
 
dr Dunkel said:
For a standard setting brand, Apple sure takes a lot of adapters to fit into the world.
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Would you rather they fitted every conceivable port, just in case somebody might need it? I have no problem carrying a USB to serial adaptor so I can plug into the back of a Sun Server's console port or a displayport to VGA/DVI so I can plug into an external monitor/projector on the rare occasions I need to use them (especially as my employer supplies them ;) )

I wouldn't be surprised if we eventually see the firewire port replaced by a second Thunderbolt or third USB port in the future.
 
*LTD* said:
HP is in no position. It might be better if they keep quiet and focus on stagnating PeeCee sales. Keep flooding the market with more junk and hope enough of it moves to make a buck.

And what about that whole WebOS project? Somehow THAT doesn't sound too convincing . . .
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http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110517-707460.html

HP cuts outlook again citing Windows PC slump, services weakness

Bloomberg last night published portions of a May 4th memo from HP CEO Leo Apotheker to top execs in which he warned that the company was facing “another tough quarter” and urged all groups to “watch every penny and minimize all hiring.”

As a result, HP reported second quarter 2011 results a day early.

“Hewlett-Packard Co. warned of lower-than-expected results in its current quarter and again reduced its 2011 outlook as the tech company struggles with soft computer sales and faces further investment in its services business,” Ian Sherr reports for Dow Jones Newswires. “Tuesday, H-P blamed its lowered outlook on falling consumer PC sales, ‘near-term impact’ from the devastating earthquake and tsunami that hit Japan in March, and lower operating profits in its services unit… It called its consumer performance ‘uneven,’ with continued softness in consumer PCs.”

Sherr reports, “Shares slipped 4.8% to $37.90 premarket as HP now sees full-year earnings before items of at least $5 a share on revenue between $129 billion and $130 billion, compared with February estimates for earnings of $5.20 to $5.28 a share and $130 billion to $131.5 billion in revenue.”

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The Mac has outgrown the Windows PC market for 20 consecutive quarters.
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Your ridiculous lol. HP is the number one PC vendor in the WORLD. To say they are not relevent is RIDICULOUS.:rolleyes:
 
Whatever HP!
Do most people know that the pc really belongs to MS since they hold so many damn patents on the effing thing? HP, Dell and the rest of the pc players are really nothing more than 3rd party mules. They take on the cost of the hardware while MS sits back like an absentee landlord and collects fat a** royalty checks.
 
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dgree03 said:
Your ridiculous lol. HP is the number one PC vendor in the WORLD. To say they are not relevent is RIDICULOUS.:rolleyes:
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Of course they are relevant, in the PC world. But in this post-PC era, HP knows that the PC world is a boring commodity. That's why they grabbed Palm. HP knows that if they are to have a future they need to have some post-PC products. PCs are dominant, but fading, and thus all the PC manufacturers reporting disappointing outlooks.
 
rtheb said:
iBook:
Apple is going to try and drag us kicking and screaming into the new Millennium whether we like it or not.
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Yep. This is what they do. Apple isn't a company prone to following. It's a company prone to leading. Sometimes when you lead others follow (ie. the end of the floppy drive), sometimes they don't (ie. fire wire 800).

I don't take much stock in HP saying they're not going to support Thunderbolt right now. They are not a leader and sorry folks, selling more computers only makes you a leader in units out the door. My work laptop (HP) has a docking station which still has PS/2 ports on it. Still. And it's less than 6 months old. WTF? HP is making the safe bet: stay out of the market until the early adopters develop it.

Thunderbolt has a lot of promise. It's still really young but it will be interesting to see what comes of it.
 
logandzwon said:
-Thunderbolt compete for directly with PCI/ExpressPort then USB.

-HP might not see the value in putting NEW ports, but then again they sell low end sub-$500 machines that have useful lifes of only a year or two. I still have an original 5 year old intel Duo Core iMac doing duty as my kids's desktop and runs everything well. It even plays starcraft 2 online. At an office I set up there are 2 year old HPs that are pretty much worthless and ready for the donation bin.
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I just threw away my 9 year old Flower Power imac. What a machine it was. If I could have been able to change the chip to a core duo and use the latest OSX I would still be using that computer. No viruses, no crashes, nothing. Just years and years of superior service. Damn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sc*** the pc. Nothing but trouble.
I have a 2 year old macbook Al(before it became a pro system) and it kicks so much a**! Turn it on and it don't stop for nothing.AMAZING LAPTOP!!
No viruses, no crashes, nada. HELL YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
this was a pure strategic decision

This is a decision based on competition instead of implementation. You all know it. I'm guessing HP has a stake in USB3. Needs it to succeed. So long as the license fees are kept low for thunderbolt it shouldn't matter. Cost is the bottom line. If all the external enclosure manufacturers don't fall fall for it then everything will be fine. I'm guessing the pro audio and video hardware manufacturers are already testing it out.
 
HP computers will have TB ports next year. If Intel chipsets are going to include native support, why wouldn't HP include a TB port?

I suspect the next cinema display update will sell the value of TB quite well.
 
HP doesn't need to push to the forefront of all technology right off the bat. They make enough money and are a stable enough company to be able to sit back and make sure that TB is a viable and profitable investment. HP makes and sells a lot of computers so once they do start installing TB, it will only help further the technology. They have no reason to jump into something that really has no other uses other than for an Apple display... Kinda like throwing a Mac Lion install DVD into their packaging just so people can look at it. I am sure once the technology is proved to be superior they too will have them installed.
 
NebulaClash said:
Of course they are relevant, in the PC world. But in this post-PC era, HP knows that the PC world is a boring commodity. That's why they grabbed Palm. HP knows that if they are to have a future they need to have some post-PC products. PCs are dominant, but fading, and thus all the PC manufacturers reporting disappointing outlooks.
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I think you're forgetting the majority of people who require a computer for nothing else but web browsing and Microsoft Office use. The whole "Post PC era" bit is a tad trite. Yes, many folks are starting to use non-traditional computing devices (Tablet, Smartphone)...but to suggest that they are being replaced very rapidly is incorrect. IMHO, they are being augmented by these new devices.

Also, would you lump Apple Systems (Notebooks, Desktops) into this stark view of Post-PC living? They are selling very well.
 
U guys do understand that it's in the best interest of apple users that HP eventually adopts Thunderbolt

the more vendors behind it the more peripherals

so before you starting hating on HP - use your head!
 
toddybody said:
I think you're forgetting the majority of people who require a computer for nothing else but web browsing and Microsoft Office use. The whole "Post PC era" bit is a tad trite. Yes, many folks are starting to use non-traditional computing devices (Tablet, Smartphone)...but to suggest that they are being replaced very rapidly is incorrect. IMHO, they are being augmented by these new devices.

Also, would you lump Apple Systems (Notebooks, Desktops) into this stark view of Post-PC living? They are selling very well.
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The Post-PC era has just begun. When the PC era began, minis and mainframes were still selling very well, and people looked down on the PC for its many limitatations. Didn't matter, it was still the start of the PC era and time proved it right.

So the fact that far more PCs sell today is not relevant. At the start of each new era there has always been three unassailable facts:

1. The previous era's tech outsold the new era's tech.
2. The new era's tech was limited, but innovative in new ways.
3. Users of previous era's tech mocked the new tech.

So how would I lump Apple systems into this view of Post-PC living? As belonging to the PC era. Apple, like HP, will continue to sell old tech for as long as people want them. But already the majority of Apple's profits and sales come from Post-PC products. HP wishes it could say that. Apple is poised to take advantage of the Post-PC era. HP is trying to reach that point.
 
carmenodie said:
Whatever HP!
Do most people know that the pc really belongs to MS since they hold so many damn patents on the effing thing? HP, Dell and the rest of the pc players are really nothing more than 3rd party mules. They take on the cost of the hardware while MS sits back like an absentee landlord and collects fat a** royalty checks.
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Not to go too off topic...but why is it so bad that there are basically 2 models of computer biz?

Model 1: (Apple)...we make it and control it all...hardware, OS, apps embedded within OS, limited # of computer models, not allowed to install OS on non-Apple hardware, etc.

Model 2: (Wintel)...OS is made by Microsoft while 100% of the hardware and accessories are made by millions of other vendors.


There's really no right or wrong...different pros/cons for each. This is not the thread to talk about them all, however.
 
In other news:

Hewlett Packard Not Convinced on the Value of Industrial Design
Hewlett Packard Not Convinced on the Value of Product Differentiation
Hewlett Packard Not Convinced on the Value of User Satisfaction
Hewlett Packard Not Convinced on the Value of Quality Construction
Hewlett Packard ...

The jokes write themselves.
 
optical ports

The children in this forum say the darnest things don't they?
So many people commenting on things they know nothing about

Lets address the optical comments I've seen:

1) optical cables will be expensive because the transceiver is integrated
Ok, I buy that, whats the problem? How many 100 meter optical cables do you plan on buying? Most people will NEVER use optical, not because of the price, but because Optical was designed for long-distance hauls due to electrical signal degredation.

2) optical cables can't be don't "DIY" so it can't replace ethernet
a) Thunderbolt isn't a direct Ethernet replacement
b) when was the last time you made optical ethernet cables yourself?

3) The optical port isn't in the computer, it will be slow!
... Umm, okay? Seriously? Moving the optical transceiver a total of 1cm further towards the chipset is going to make a difference? You do realize the chipset is electronic not optical correct? Again, it all goes back to Long-Haul. The environment around the motherboard is well controlled and modelled to reduce signal loss and cross talk on the Thunderbolt lines... not an issue

4) Delays in conversion from electrical to optical, the world is going to end!
Seriously, WTF people, no matter where the optical interface is, this conversion still has to happen
 
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