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PCWorld reports that while Hewlett-Packard (HP) had considered using Thunderbolt in its newest desktop PCs, for now it's sticking with USB 3.0.According to Lauwaert, everone seems to be content with USB 3.0 so they don't see the value of including Thunderbolt in their desktop machines.
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Thunderbolt is the high speed interconnect system that was introduced by Intel in February. Apple was the first customer to adopt the new connector with the launch of its early 2011 MacBook Pros. Apple has since released
new iMacs also supporting Thunderbolt. Due to the newness of the connector, there is presently little 3rd party support, though Intel is said to be opening up Thunderbolt development this quarter.
HP is notable for being the largest U.S. computer manufacturer
accounting for 26% of the market in the 1st quarter 2011.
Article Link:
Hewlett Packard Not Convinced of the Value of Thunderbolt
I fail to see why it has to be a "one or the other" thing, why not support both? Especially on a desktop? I can see why they'd want to hold off for now, but making it be an issue versus USB 3 seems ridiculous.
Remember when mini displayport was supposed to be the next big thing?
Once again apple will trot out how they are setting an 'industry standard' when hardly anyone else uses it. Here we go again...
Uh, I've seen Dell laptops, and a plethora of video cards all come with MDP. I'd even go so far as to say that I see MDP more than I see DP and almost as often as I see VGA (on currently shipping machines, that is).
Thunderbolt has value as a backplane extender, even if noone else adopts it.
Desktop PCs arguably have a lot less use for it, as they are very easily expandable anyway. iMacs, laptops and other 'sealed' units will benefit most - particularly when the manufacturer (Apple!) chooses not to include other high speed ports like eSATA.
External Video cards? Lots of them? Lots of external video cards combined with lots of internal? Gajillion-way SLI/CrossFireX? A pipe-dream, I know, but still, when you put PCI-E on a port, a lot of previously impossible things become possible.
Well, by having 1-2 TB ports one would NOT need to have:
- VGA
- DVI
- HDMI
- DisplayPort
- eSATA
- ExpressCard
Just think about the reduced size and thickness. Isn't that alone an excellent reason?
That alone is actually a stupid reason unless you were talking about an ultra-portable. I don't need this port on my MacBook Pro to decrease thickness. I need it on my MacBook Pro to eliminate the need to ever own a desktop Mac ever again.
It sucks that the latest Macbook Pro could have had USB 3.0.
Instead we got Thunderbolt which you still can't use for anything.
If Apple wanted to include Thunderbolt so bad why did they not give us USB 3.0, too?
Apple won't adopt USB 3.0 until support is native in the chipset. Incidentally, this is supposedly coming with the chipsets designed to run Ivy Bridge. Same with Thunderbolt, if I'm not mistaken.
Sounds like a PC is the best choice for you! Apple should lower their prices?? Hey, so should Ferrari...... then they would sell like hot-cakes. We don't need that fast engine, speed limit is 65mph over here. Dump the big engine and lower the price. Thats the mentality correct? I'm glad Jobs is making the big decisions.
Apple uses logic boards with the same basic components that HP uses. Shocker, I know. And they're all made by Foxconn in China. The same cannot be said of Ferrari and its engines in comparison to normal people cars. At best, you pay for Apple's superior internal layout and chassis engineering, along with the privilage to run OS X, and even that is marked up. But hey, way to be exclusive and prove most anti-Mac-user sentiments correct! As a Mac user, I object, but what do I know, right?
When Apple starts including Thunderbolt on iPhones, iPads and iPods - allowing folks to sync in seconds - HP's machines will look like the junk they typically are.
They won't be prime candidates as they're not the type of devices that would even connect via PCI-E to use that kind of bandwidth anyway; or so I've been told. The idea of Thunderbolt on an iOS device sounds nice, but really, USB 3 is more likely to take that one.
Hopefully iOS Devices will soon go TB. This would boost TB a lot. For those who do not (yet) have it there should be an USB alternative.
Time Machine Backups are already mentioned. Why do I need SATA III with SSDs everywhere when my backup device is slowed down by the connector?
I think HP fears the licensing costs (other than Intel Motherboard vendors have to pay for it, or am I mistaken?) and want to put some pressure on Intel to lower its costs. This move seems to be a tactical one.
Mac User will use TB and everyone processing media is hoping industry adopts it. Just take a look at musicians who used FW800 to connect their recording equipment or movie makers with huge 1080p files.
There will be TB in future peripheral equipment and every Computer Tech Company who does not implement it will lose some margin to apple and those who have it.
It's a new port with no adoption, cut HP some slack and wait for it to actually prove its own mettle.
We should all be well aware by now that one thing Apple is TERRIBLE at is setting industry standards.
Firewire was a fail and only ever existed on Macs and a very, very select number of desktops.
DisplayPort hasn't even made it onto any non-Apple product
Thunderbolt so far exists on a small selection of Apple hardware with no clear push or motivation to getting it adopted wider. Apple should be meeting with the Dell's and HP's of the world - they are the only people that have the volume and power to force the standard into the industry.
Apple simply sucks at getting new ports onto computers, period.
You, sir, have no idea what you're talking about. Please go correct this matter and then come back to present your newly educated opinion.
What people and HP seem to be forgetting is this; Thunderbolt is an enabling technology as well because it clicks straight into the PCIe chipset which means that it is only a matter of time before someone makes a USB3 break out box that hooks straight into thunderbolt just as there are already ethernet and firewire adapters already (based on some quick searching). The point being is that in the future Apple can get rid of USB/Firewire/etc and just have a set of thunderbolt ports on the back and then sell the required adapters for those who need them thus drastically simplifying their motherboard designs.
As for HP, they've always been a has been of a company who does zero innovation - name the last innovative thing that came out of HP that didn't involve downloading a 300MB driver package or a piece of buggy bloatware that slows down the system and sprawls crap from one end of the hard disk to the other. HP quite frankly should be the very last company being asked when it comes to anything innovative or pushing the envelop.
While I know that it's cheating to cite their Palm division, but the stuff that they're doing with WebOS makes the things that Apple is doing with iOS seem boring and unimaginative by comparison.
Hope Thunderbolt doesn't end up like Mini DisplayPort: adopted by no one, compatible with nothing
Dell has started using miniDP on their laptops, and NVIDIA and ATI/AMD are using it on their video cards. Adopted by no one? Compatible with nothing? Behind the times much?
Do you think we will see Apple scrapping it's old docking connector on the iPhone, iPad and iPod touch, make a clean start and replace it with a single Thunderbolt connector?
So that, from next year, all Apple devices can connect to each other at the same high speed using this same new connector?
No. Nice idea though.
It requires a huge external controller on the motherboard, space that could have been better used by Apple for a discrete GPU in the 13" MBP or for an actual useful controller in the form of USB3.
A USB 3 controller, I'll grant you, but there's no way the space used by the Thunderbolt controller could be used for a discrete GPU on the 13" and really that's more likely than not due to heating requirements.
I find it funny that the resident Apple Fan boys are touting the benefits of the NEW hardly adopted connection, saying people need this and this is the future.
Those same people hammer google/microsoft/verizon/samsung/dell/hp for things they do that "doesnt really matter, or has no use"
NFC?
LTE?
Bluray?
Voice Recognition?
and so on...
All of those technologies, Thunderbolt included with them, are "The Future", or at least vast improvements over present day tech. Will they succeed, I don't think anyone can safely say now; but make no mistake, they are all improvements.
One exclamation mark can easily make the point that you are a cheapskate who pays too much for his tech.
Kinda reminds me of this:
http://theoatmeal.com/blog/apps
Not to pick on you...but why do people feel a need to substantiate their opinion (which by itself is always going to be subjective and bias) with a reference to professional life?
Perhaps Im conveying my own ignorance of what Biotech Engineers do everyday...but I dont think you fine folks at Umbrella represent the majority of electronic consumers
Resident Evil much?
The PC gaming market is still bigger than Apple's world wide market share, so PCs will continue to have a place significantly longer than Apple or Apple fans would like to have you believe.
And outside of the PC gaming market, theres plenty of people who still prefer a traditional desktop PC over anything else because of price, speed, and expandability. There isn't another device on the planet that can currently match a desktop PC in any of those ways.
Yeah, laptops are "more popular" and sell more than desktops, but only by a few percentage points. You're greatly overlooking the fact that desktop PCs still sell in the tens of millions every year and will continue to do so for years and years to come.
Really, Mac desktops are flawwed by design in a way that PC desktops aren't. The most optimal Mac to get IS a laptop. Why? Because the whole point of a Windows desktop is expansion and even on a Mac Pro, your expansion is limited. Not to mention the lack of SLI or CrossFireX. I can't upgrade the motherboard? I can't upgrade the CPUs without voiding the warranty? What kind of "desktop" is that? Yeah, I do get Xeons and that is rad. But I get a mid-range consumer video card at best.
At least Mac laptops are, Mac Pro aside, just as unupgradable (if not less so) than their iMac and Mac mini counterparts. And frankly, that's why I could see Mac users poo-pooing the idea of desktops; for their platform desktops make little sense unless you need storage and pre-Thunderbolt expansion.
