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Move to Florida and then get back to me. My sister lost 1/2 her stuff one day to a massive lightning strike that didn’t seem to care about some low quality surge suppressors.

The items with external power bricks were much cheaper to fix.
Usually (in Australia at least) the real value of a brand name surge protector is that they come with “insurance” to cover connected devices up to $x,000 (which varies by the price).

it'll handle tiny spikes but it’ll pay out for direct strikes that just blow everything out.
 
So, if I want a Mac mini, and I think I do, should I just buy an existing M1-based machine? (I'm quite sure it would have plenty of performance and connectivity for my modest needs.) Or will there be a replacement even for the lower end models when they launch the higher performance models?

(Yes - I know that it is all rumour at present. Not expecting any concrete answers. Just anything to help me decide whether to buy today as there are some refurbs available or put it off.)
 
So, if I want a Mac mini, and I think I do, should I just buy an existing M1-based machine? (I'm quite sure it would have plenty of performance and connectivity for my modest needs.) Or will there be a replacement even for the lower end models when they launch the higher performance models?

(Yes - I know that it is all rumour at present. Not expecting any concrete answers. Just anything to help me decide whether to buy today as there are some refurbs available or put it off.)
Yes, with an if. No with a but. Maybe perhaps with an only when.

Like with anything, if the current model suits your needs, and you need one, buy it.
 
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So, if I want a Mac mini, and I think I do, should I just buy an existing M1-based machine?

Yes. It's only half a year old.

(I'm quite sure it would have plenty of performance and connectivity for my modest needs.) Or will there be a replacement even for the lower end models when they launch the higher performance models?

There isn't any pressure for Apple to do a faster low-end mini right now. I imagine the earliest it will get updated is in fall, when it's close to a year old.


(Yes - I know that it is all rumour at present. Not expecting any concrete answers. Just anything to help me decide whether to buy today as there are some refurbs available or put it off.)
Well, if you can wait, there will always be something even better around the corner.
 
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Whoever created that render has never used a computer with anything plugged in, have they? Look how close the ports are.

Hear hear. Same thought for those who design computers with only USB-C ports. It’s as if they spend their working time only in a design studio and not out in varied situations in real life.
 
It’s not that hard to put a power brick under your desk
Having a power brick is easy to hide and not a big deal.

It's not that hard to add extra hubs and docks. Having a soldered-in SSD is not a big deal - it's not that hard to add an external SSD. It's not that hard to order as much RAM as you're ever going to need...

I really prefer Mac OS to Windows or Linux but if the list of things that "It's not that hard to do" grows much longer, then the last entry in that list is going to be "It's not that hard to switch to Windows and put together a nice mini-tower PC that it's not hard to hide under your desk and install all of the storage, RAM, extra ports that you need nicely inside."

...and, yes, for a while, the M1 is going to be unassailable if you want something with the portability of a MacBook Air or iPad with the power of a desktop i7, but if you actually want a desktop then there are all sorts of interesting AMD Ryzen options that are much better than that i7, and a wide choice of quiet/silent cases to put them in to.

Fortunately, this Mac-even-more-mini is currently just a rumour. With the M1x/M2/whatever I want to see what Apple Silicon can do when size/power isn't the number one constraint - and that includes more than just cramming more cores in. "Ultra-small, long battery life" was just the low-hanging fruit - if "look how small it is" is still going to be the USP of the higher-end Apple Silicon Macs.

This wouldn't be an issue if Apple made a headless desktop somewhere between the Mac Mini and the Mac Pro (...which doesn't even begin to offer value for money unless you want to fit $10k worth of CPU upgrade, GPUs and RAM).
 
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Same thought for those who design computers with only USB-C ports.
Not really, because adequately spaced USB-C ports are perfectly usable.

ot out in varied situations in real life.
Like the varied situations where one person needs to use a HDMI projector, but another needs to use a DisplayPort monitor, and another needs to use a high speed disk array? If only there was a universally adaptable high speed port that could provide for all those scenarios..
 
It is a great display, which is not affordable at all by 99% of the people looking to buy a Mac mini and a display from Apple. What's ridiculous about it is that it is the only display offered by Apple, at all.
Not affordable by most of the audience associated with the current Mac Mini I concur with (M1 is merely an entry-class CPU after all that happens to rival Intel's mid-tier CPUs behind in node advancement), not so much the "display from Apple part".

The stakeholders that revealed the monitor made it very clear the audience of the Pro Display XDR is not an audience remotely close to those that would be associated with their mainstream products; they squarely positioned it for creative professionals–heck as a technical bargain that still stands today.
 
So, if I want a Mac mini, and I think I do, should I just buy an existing M1-based machine?
Well, nobody knows, but I think it is quite likely that all 3 of the original M1 systems - which were essentially existing designs retro-fitted with M1 logic boards - will be replaced within the year with all-new designs. Of course, that won't stop the current Mini from meeting your needs for years to come, so it really depends on how much value you put on having the latest shiny.

There's also the slight chance - and this is pure speculation so please don't waste too much time shooting it down - that the first gen M1 will be prematurely obsolescent because of some new CPU feature that gets added to the second generation, and will be cut off from new versions of MacOS somewhat early. The example of that would be the first generation of Intel Macs with Core Duo processors. Obviously history isn't going to repeat itself exactly, but it's just more likely for something analogous to happen to the first gen of a new processor (as they say, never buy version 1.0 of anything... or used to say before the industry decided that v0.8 was good enough to launch...)

Of course, all this has to be countered by the possibility that the next round of releases will be the next butterfly keyboard/trashcan Mac Pro disaster, and you'll wish you'd got the original M1 Mini...

Overall, it's always best to upgrade when you actually need an upgrade & wait if you can rather than to second-guess Apple's release schedule. However, we are approaching halfway through a 2-year transition period to Apple Silicon so the chances of an imminent major re-design are higher than usual.

Plus, buying a new Mac when the MR front page is actually showing a "N days to Big Apple Announcement" countdown could be considered carelessness.
 
Not affordable by most of the audience associated with the current Mac Mini I concur with (M1 is merely an entry-class CPU after all that happens to rival Intel's mid-tier CPUs behind in node advancement), not so much the "display from Apple part".

The stakeholders that revealed the monitor made it very clear the audience of the Pro Display XDR is not an audience remotely close to those that would be associated with their mainstream products; they squarely positioned it for creative professionals–heck as a technical bargain that still stands today.
Yes, but what does that ultimately mean?

If I buy a Mac mini, or I want an additional display on any Mac, what do I connect? Their answer still appears to be the extremely pricey LG Ultrafine, or the even pricier Pro Display XDR.

That's not a great look. You can connect a cheaper display, but then you typically don't get Retina, and because macOS no longer has subpixel anti-aliasing, it looks rather ugly without Retina now.
 
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Like the varied situations where one person needs to use a HDMI projector, but another needs to use a DisplayPort monitor, and another needs to use a high speed disk array? If only there was a universally adaptable high speed port that could provide for all those scenarios..

Kind of like using a touchbar in place of individual function keys, where the touchbar provides for all kinds of forward-thinking adaptability? Surely that’d be a universal hit. Nobody would mind the extra effort it repeatedly takes at times to get to the common function keys that used to be right there at the ready, available instantly. Or maybe having one key for all 26 letters of the alphabet, with some extra steps required to access the various alphabet letters, but at least that simplified hardware setup would be almost unlimitedly adaptable to various scenarios, even with a little bit of extra work at times (or always). You’re right, simplifying down to something ultra-homogenous like that would be pretty great. And the marketers would love it for the bold, aesthetic simplicity.
 
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Nobody would mind the extra effort it repeatedly takes at times to get to the common function keys that used to be right there at the ready, available instantly.
.... if all you want is Function keys, just set it to show function keys permanently.

You might as well complain that you have to turn the computer on every morning, because you chose to turn it off rather than letting it just go into sleep mode.
 
Yes, but what does that ultimately mean?

If I buy a Mac mini, or I want an additional display on any Mac, what do I connect? Their answer still appears to be the extremely pricey LG Ultrafine, or the even pricier Pro Display XDR.
Is the Mac mini market ready to pay a premium for a monitor that costs the same as their tiny computer? Or are the majority of folk buying a Mini happy enough with a $150 el-cheapo screen? The percentage of folk buying a mini as their daily computer might be lower than the number being used as Entertainment systems or Servers where they don't even need a monitor (or very good one).

I'm sure Apple will do their surveys and decide if it's a product they want to revisit. I'm surprised they haven't already to be honest.
That's not a great look. You can connect a cheaper display, but then you typically don't get Retina, and because macOS no longer has subpixel anti-aliasing, it looks rather ugly without Retina now.
If Apple do release a "Normal" 4.5 or 5k monitor (With looks and height that pairs nicely with an iMac) its probably going to be $100-200 more pricey than an LG ultrafine. The build quality will be stunning though.

I guess we'll see.
 
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.... if all you want is Function keys, just set it to show function keys permanently.

Fantastic! I didn't realize the Touch Bar was tactile with that setting.

Oh right. It isn't. So for people who want function keys, the Touch Bar is an expensive, overengineered, worse product than a row of keys.

Is the Mac mini market ready to pay a premium for a monitor that costs the same as their tiny computer? Or are the majority of folk buying a Mini happy enough with a $150 el-cheapo screen?

No, exactly. And they now have to live with a reality that text rendering looks terrible on that screen, not because of the screen, but because Apple decided subpixel rendering wasn't needed any more since their employees all have fancier screens.

If Apple do release a "Normal" 4.5 or 5k monitor (With looks and height that pairs nicely with an iMac) its probably going to be $100-200 more pricey than an LG ultrafine. The build quality will be stunning though.

Well, the iMac starts at $1299. Presumably about half that is the "computer", speakers, etc. So, you actually end up slightly cheaper than the LG 4K, but with a significantly higher res…

(A $699 display is still… a lot. But it's a much better story than "oh yeah a third party makes one of those".)
 
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That’s usb2 isn’t it?

So are most of the things I'd want to plug into it - and since multiple USB 2 devices plugged into USB 3 hubs still only get to share 480Mbps of bandwidth there would be no benefit using a USB3 hub. Heck, some things, like MIDI, barely even need USB 1. Using USB4/TB would only be an advantage if it meant that things like audio interfaces got their own dedicated USB 2 stream rather than sharing...

...which is something I'd really have to check out before getting one of the new USB4 hubs: do they actually contain extra PCIe-to-USB controllers, or are they actually just sharing however many USB-over-TB streams the upstream controller provides (2?)

This is what people don't get about why USB 2 & 3 are still hanging around:

RS232 topped out at 20k bps - and by 1998 dialup modems were offering 28k+ and ISDN 128k, while a RS232 hard drive would have been horrible. Using parallel printer ports as bi-directional interfaces for scanners, zip drives etc - which was SOP on PCs at the time - was also a kludgy, dead-end idea.

USB 1 blew that away with 12Mbps... more than fast enough for the Ethernet, removable drives, scanners etc. of the day. It also replaced proprietary Apple things like ADB.

USB 2 replaced 12Mbps 480Mbps... a 40x increase. good luck if your broadband delivers that in 2021, it's enough for 8+ channels of CD quality audio and tolerable for attaching a mechanical HD or cheap flash stick.

USB 3 upped that 10x to 5Gbps... fast enough for all but the highest-end SSDs, goodbye Firewire, eSATA etc. Plus, of course, 3.1gen2 runs quite happily over USB type A sockets if you want 10Gbps.

...i.e. each of those upgrades offered an order-of-magnitude speed increase that obliterated existing bottlenecks and opened up brand new applications. And, from USB 1 onwards, offered full backward compatibility with the old connectors.

USB-C... has a reversible plug, and tidies up some of the incompatible protocols for fast device charging. Other than that, as a successor to USB 3 type A/B, at introduction it was just the same USB 3 protocol repackaged with a new connector.

OK, there's a bit more to USB-C/Thunderbolt 3/USB4 than that (qv ad nauseum elsewhere), but for many applications, the only "reward" for getting new cables, adapters etc. is the privilege of being able to keep using your existing devices (or use new devices which are often just the same old USB3 products with a different connector). Unless you're doing something like 8k video editing that needs cutting edge bandwidth for the most expensive "pro" peripherals, USB-C just doesn't offer the sort of end-of-argument advantages that previous upgrades have done. Even Thunderbolt 3 was only a relatively modest improvement over TB2 which had been available for years.

Same goes for peripheral manufacturers - if your device only needs 1Gbps or less, why limit your market to users with USB-C ports when you can use a cheaper-to-implement USB-A/B/micro port and throw an adapter cable in the box? (Which is what you usually get if you buy from a company used to dealing with non-Apple users who haven't been conditioned to expect to be nickel-and-dimed over a cheap adapter)?
 
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Fantastic! I didn't realize the Touch Bar was tactile with that setting.

Oh right. It isn't. So for people who want function keys, the Touch Bar is an expensive, overengineered, worse product than a row of keys.
Did I say it was tactile? The post I replied to - as is becoming common - made an overblown claim about how inconvenienced they are by something, and all I pointed out was that there is a setting you can change once - it doesn't have to be a "extra effort repeatedly".

Your point is a valid criticism, and you're entitled to make it - but it's completely unrelated to what I was replying to, so kindly make your point without involving me.

Is the Mac mini market ready to pay a premium for a monitor that costs the same as their tiny computer?

For home users? It's probably not gonna sell many. Most that want the nice apple screen probably just buy an iMac.

But the mini isn't limited to home users/consumers. The 2018 Mac mini included a much higher-end than previous minis, and Apple pointed out how they expect it to be great for developers.

If a ~24" - ~30" 4.5K - 5.5K 'refresh' of the TB display came out I'd probably buy it the day it's available - and I already have two 4K 24" displays.

So are most of the things I'd want to plug into it -

Right but the thinking-out-loud point I was originally getting at, was what kind of market there might be for a USB 3.x keyboard (which on it's own is obviously massive overkill) that has a built in USB hub. People always go on about wanting to plug in type-A flash drives. I've tried that on a 2018 mini, it's not ****ing easy, and my mini is about 30cm away from me on the desk. The back or end of a keyboard would be much easier for stuff like that.

If you want to go all out and maximise appeal, it could include a card reader.



I know you're not a huge fan of an all-TB/USB-C approach, and I don't want to litigate that whole thing again, it's a pointless circle. We're not going to change each others minds. It'd just be nice if people who are against that approach tried to understand why others are for it, instead of dismissing everyone as "love of the dongle lolol" or "fantasy usb-c life".
 
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Well I'm definitely looking forward to a high-end (M2)? Mac Mini, especially if it's footprint is reduced. Ideally I'd love to see it with similar 6.5" x 6.5" dimensions of the old Mini or preferably smaller which I'd immediately transplant into my MacMini 'Cube' currently running Mojave. Forget any new plexiglass top, it won't be seen anyway.;)
 
It'd just be nice if people who are against that approach tried to understand why others are for it, instead of dismissing everyone as "love of the dongle lolol" or "fantasy usb-c life".

Oh the pot kettle irony lol!

I think many including myself can understand your viewpoint but it’s amazing how sternly you seem to fail to show you understand ours by repeatedly providing solutions and justifications that don’t won’t interest us hehe.


But on topic:
I like this Mac mini mock-up but I am truly curious about the magnetic power cable option. For a battery operated laptop, that makes perfect sense. But for a stationary Mac mini without battery….? I guess if it came with the new iMac it must be robust against unwanted pull-outs. I’ll have to look into how that’s been going for users.
 
Oh the pot kettle irony lol!

I think many including myself can understand your viewpoint but it’s amazing how sternly you seem to fail to show you understand ours by repeatedly providing solutions and justifications that don’t won’t interest us hehe.


But on topic:
I like this Mac mini mock-up but I am truly curious about the magnetic power cable option. For a battery operated laptop, that makes perfect sense. But for a stationary Mac mini without battery….? I guess if it came with the new iMac it must be robust against unwanted pull-outs. I’ll have to look into how that’s been going for users.
I think this is more of a trying to make a unique design instead of the original intent of MagSafe. I have the new iMac and if the cord gets yanked that magnet isn’t going to let go before the iMac goes flying off the table. It will definitely fling a Mac mini off of a table
 
I think many including myself can understand your viewpoint
No, I don't think you really do, because you've repeatedly conflated "make X impossible" with "make X slightly inconvenient".

it’s amazing how sternly you seem to fail to show you understand ours by repeatedly providing solutions and justifications that don’t won’t interest us
But that's just it. I do understand your view. You've made it blatantly clear it's about (in)convenience.


The problem is you see any solution that involves compromise, and doesn't result in perfect convenience for you, as a "loss" - regardless of alternative use cases, that mostly also have to make compromises.

If you insist that any configuration that has the slightest inconvenience for you is not acceptable, and then go on to claim other use-cases that don't benefit from (or are made impossible by) your "preferred" configuration are either invalid; made up; or just don't matter - don't be surprised when people have less sympathy for your slight inconvenience.
 
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There’s only so much space inside so it’s either internal power brick and less room for hardware components or make it bigger
Theres ALOT of empty space in the current Mini. Sure its a little bigger than a Chromebox or a NUC .. Perhaps the new one is gonna be Really Teeny Tiny.
I think this is more of a trying to make a unique design instead of the original intent of MagSafe. I have the new iMac and if the cord gets yanked that magnet isn’t going to let go before the iMac goes flying off the table. It will definitely fling a Mac mini off of a table
Less cables on the desktop when using ethernet without a "difficult to remove" plug that needs to be in the correct orientation. That would be my assumption, rather than making it less prone to being pulled off a table.
 
Theres ALOT of empty space in the current Mini. Sure its a little bigger than a Chromebox or a NUC .. Perhaps the new one is gonna be Really Teeny Tiny.

Less cables on the desktop when using ethernet without a "difficult to remove" plug that needs to be in the correct orientation. That would be my assumption, rather than making it less prone to being pulled off a table.
True there’s a lot of space with the current mini but with the new design there may not be so much space. We don’t know how big the board will be for this new processor. Don’t get me wrong I like the new magnetic cable for my iMac. It definitely cleans up the cable issue. It's still not MagSafe other than the name. I really hope they bring MagSafe back to MacBooks.
 
It is a great display, which is not affordable at all by 99% of the people looking to buy a Mac mini and a display from Apple. What's ridiculous about it is that it is the only display offered by Apple, at all.
Yes, and it's clearly designed for pro users that want to use it with a Mac Pro or something. I know with me I don't really want to use a 6K display with my desktop computer, including once I get the new Mac Mini. I plan to replace my failing 11-year-old Dell LCD display with a Dell P2419H, as I want to get a flatscreen monitor that has HDMI input and extra USB ports as a hub, and the one I am eyeing has USB 3 ports, so that would help a lot, given how I have more USB 3 devices now. The display may not be "Retina," but for what I do it'd be just fine.
 
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