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High Resolution 'iPhone 5' Renderings Based on Leaked Parts
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That's what I was thinking. I haven't seen anything original come out of Apple since the iPad... and that's on its third iteration.
(This message was suppose to be in response to another message on this board, but it kept throwing an error at me when I tried to reply with quotes)
In my opinion, they would not be changing it just for change sake...
I am 2 classes away from completing my Master's in Business and one thing learned in a business degree is market demand. If the market is demanding a larger screen, and Apple does not provide...Apple may lose part of their market/customers.
It's trends...We don't wear the same clothes we did in the 80's or 90's.
The vast majority of the population follow trends.
The larger phones are a trend. And I can tell, tons of iPhone users are itching for a redesigned phone.
I am one of them.
I still want the insides, as i love Apple products...but it is time to revamp.
Here is an article with a video that shows a poll regarding this very thing...
http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/market-demand.html
In my opinion, they would not be changing it just for change sake...
I am 2 classes away from completing my Master's in Business and one thing learned in a business degree is market demand. If the market is demanding a larger screen, and Apple does not provide...Apple may lose part of their market/customers.
It's trends...We don't wear the same clothes we did in the 80's or 90's.
The vast majority of the population follow trends.
The larger phones are a trend. And I can tell, tons of iPhone users are itching for a redesigned phone.
I am one of them.
I still want the insides, as i love Apple products...but it is time to revamp.
Here is an article with a video that shows a poll regarding this very thing...
http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/market-demand.html
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I wonder how Schiller is going to sell this as "the last iPhone Steve Jobs was deeply involved with" 
Please no I love the 3:2 aspect ratio it's too perfect, if it's a long design I really don't see the benefits. I hope they keep 3:2 but they can mess with case ny way they want.
I can't believe ive would do this design it's just bad from the two tone back to the tall disgusting form factor. It's just wrong.
I can't believe ive would do this design it's just bad from the two tone back to the tall disgusting form factor. It's just wrong.
If that's the next iPhone, I won't feel so bad that I can't upgrade until next year. The design change is minimal, especially compared to the dramatic design change between the 3GS and the 4. I can see how people who felt good when showing off their radically different and drool-worthy iPhone 4 in the summer of 2010 would be disappointed that they can't really replicate that experience this Fall. At least not without the possibility of getting a "that looks like my 4/4S" reply back.
Personally, I think it doesn't look bad, just maybe a little too similar to my 4S which means I'll have to focus even more on what's inside than I did before.
Personally, I think it doesn't look bad, just maybe a little too similar to my 4S which means I'll have to focus even more on what's inside than I did before.
Why? Because back in 2007 the smartphone market was newish, and over the last five years or so much demand has been shown for a larger display, and now the iPhone 5 is going to have a larger display. But the smartphone market is huge now, and for many people large displays are very important. Apple can't get away with staying at 4 inches for another five years. I think every 2-3 they'll need to update it.
I know I was suspecting the top and bottom to be made of glass, but plastic would be much easier to use. However, I think it would a step back in using scratch resistant materials, meaning the plastic is obviously much easier to scratch.
Though if most iPhones usually get a case even if only a bumper case, this may be less relevant.
A plastic and metal back would decrease the amount of glass to shatter by half, and also be thinner at the same time, the main reason for using aluminum in the first place. Using two sheets of glass adds up to 2 mm total (1.6 if using the newer 0.8 mm Gorilla glass) which is almost a quarter of the total thickness!
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No. You're logic seems to imply that bigger is inherently better. That is just not the case. So in two years apple goes to 4.5" then 5" then 6". Apparently the human hand is growing. Yes, some people want larger screens for various reasons, but until apple begins releasing multiple size iPhones they will go for a mass market appeal size. 4" is perfect for that. Apple certainly isn't going to go any larger.
True, one piece is stronger than three fused pieces, unless the fused pieces are stronger themselves. The strength in the iPhone 4 and 4S can be attributed to the one piece of glass on the back as well, though I think the frame is more important for overall strength in these models and the frame is made of at least two pieces in the iPhone 4, and perhaps 4 pieces in the 4S. (Also the one piece of glass shatters more easily)
A big reason for aluminum is to decrease thickness and increase strength, (or be virtually shatter proof). Also, the original iPhone did have all of it's antennas inside under plastic at the bottom with an aluminum backing. At least if this new phone has plastic (or thin glass) at the top and bottom, it would have much greater (spatial) area for the antennas and could enable MIMO for the 4G LTE, instead of just dual antennas.
Remember, two pieces of glass increased the overall thickness by almost a quarter! (2mm, or 1.6mm with 0.8mm Gorilla Glass minus the thinner alternatives).
Also, concerning RF capability, sure nearby metal changes the RF radiation pattern, but so does touching the antennas with "mostly water" fingers!
I'm not implying that at all, it's subjective. All I'm saying is that people are going to again want a larger iPhone, and much sooner than five years. By staying with a resolution that's a multiple of 480x320 they could continue to change the screen size as much as needed with no transitional issues.
This taller iPhone won't satisfy everyone who wanted a larger screen, and it will mean there's going to be lots of transitional issues every time a new screen size, aspect ratio, or resolution is introduced, including this time around. There were much better solutions than this imo.
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One nice thing ...
The matte-black body looks a lot more classy than the cheesy Las Vegas glossy body does. Now if it came with a matte retina display and the powerful lower speaker re-located to where the ear speaker has been so we could,
1. have the sound firing toward us, instead of off to the right while viewing videos,
2. have a more-than-loud-enough ear speaker out in the street traffic,
3. a little free space below, where the speaker was "pi_ _ ing into the wind" to hold something useful like a lanyard anchor or more battery, or a coffee maker
etc.
AND OHH YESSS ... an iOS THAT LETS US MAKE OUR OWN FOLDER ICONS SO THAT WE DON'T SQUINT TO DEATH READING TEENY CAPTIONS OF BOX'O BOXES FOLDER ICONS.
AND THE ABILITY TO SAVE APP CONTENT INTO SEPARATE FOLDERS SO OUR DATA ISN'T HELD HOSTAGE TO THE APP AND THEIR SOCIOPATHIC-DATA-KILLING-UPDATE DEVELOPERS.
... RANT, RANT, RANT ...
The matte-black body looks a lot more classy than the cheesy Las Vegas glossy body does. Now if it came with a matte retina display and the powerful lower speaker re-located to where the ear speaker has been so we could,
1. have the sound firing toward us, instead of off to the right while viewing videos,
2. have a more-than-loud-enough ear speaker out in the street traffic,
3. a little free space below, where the speaker was "pi_ _ ing into the wind" to hold something useful like a lanyard anchor or more battery, or a coffee maker
etc.
AND OHH YESSS ... an iOS THAT LETS US MAKE OUR OWN FOLDER ICONS SO THAT WE DON'T SQUINT TO DEATH READING TEENY CAPTIONS OF BOX'O BOXES FOLDER ICONS.
AND THE ABILITY TO SAVE APP CONTENT INTO SEPARATE FOLDERS SO OUR DATA ISN'T HELD HOSTAGE TO THE APP AND THEIR SOCIOPATHIC-DATA-KILLING-UPDATE DEVELOPERS.
... RANT, RANT, RANT ...
It looks sweet? It looks the same as the 4 and the 4S.
Granted, it is my favorite design of the phones out there, but I can't get...excited about it, but I like it.
If it's just a bit longer, that will be 3 generations of iphones almost the same.
The format of the iphone is starting to get tired. At least give us a bigger screen - and I don't mean just longer. What's up with that? I mean *big deal*.
I thought the credo was "Think Different".
Common Tim / Jony - DO SOMETHING.
The 4S was already a disappointment for those if us with a 4
I never bothered upgrading. Possibly wont for this one either unless there's something really "wow" about it.
I'm happy to give you my money Apple, but not if it's the same old thing.
Apple are going to have to start worrying about the likes of Samsung.
Even my hard core apple friends are starting to look at it.
If Samsung could run iOS, even I would consider.
Android is the only thing stopping me.
Just saying...
The format of the iphone is starting to get tired. At least give us a bigger screen - and I don't mean just longer. What's up with that? I mean *big deal*.
I thought the credo was "Think Different".
Common Tim / Jony - DO SOMETHING.
The 4S was already a disappointment for those if us with a 4
I never bothered upgrading. Possibly wont for this one either unless there's something really "wow" about it.
I'm happy to give you my money Apple, but not if it's the same old thing.
Apple are going to have to start worrying about the likes of Samsung.
Even my hard core apple friends are starting to look at it.
If Samsung could run iOS, even I would consider.
Android is the only thing stopping me.
Just saying...
Looking at the actual photo of the iPhone 4S frame next to the leaked next generation part, it appears that the new part is about 6.6 mm thick. The current frame is 6 mm thick, and add on 1.35 mm on each side for the glass, etc. and you have a total of 9.3 mm (which is the thickness of the current iPhone 4S).
If the glass sets inside the leaked part (the angled bezel) then the new iPhone would only be 6.6 mm thick! I measured the angled bezel itself and it came out to be about 1.35 mm thick from the inside to outside edge. (This would suggest that they are using the same glass thickness, and other parts that are outside the current iPhone's frame, inside the new frame since it is also 1.35 mm.)
This would be a very surprising new thickness (or thinness), because if you add 1.35 to 6.6, you get 7.95, very close to the rumored new thickness of 7.9 mm.
Could it be that the rumored new thickness of 7.9 mm was based on the leaked part plus about 1.3 mm for the front glass?
If the new iPhone is really only 6.6 mm thick then with the included extra height (of the iPhone; taller screen) the internal volume would decrease by only about 3%, but the fewer parts inside (such as the plate behind the current screen) and a smaller logic board could mean slightly more space for a battery. It just seems that everything lines up to be reasonable for battery space (volume) for a thin phone at only 6.6mm thick!
I'm 95% sure the glass will be flush with the angled edge. Look at the back of the phone it has the same angle an then it's flat where the back is. They should match this at the front since its cut the same way. The glass won't stick out which is a much better design.
I'm thinking 7.4
If you see the other pictures there's a notch inside the phone where the front glass sits.
Revised thickness calculations:
I agree, it does appear that the new iPhone will be the thickness of that leaked part. I should look at some more photo's (it's hard to measure 3D objects from a 2D photo taken at two off-axis angles), and it is looking more like 7.4 mm.
Until I can see much higher resolution photos taken at better angles, all my calculations could be off by 3%-10%. I'm having to measure from blurry edges themselves.
If it is about 7.4 mm, then even better for 12% more battery space. That would be adding exactly an hour to the 8 hour talk time, making it 9 hours. Though, the new CPU/GPU "A6" and Qualcomm Gobi LTE chipset could take more or less power depending process (28 nm and/or 32 nm instead of 45 nm feature size)
I know the current frame is 6 mm thick. It looks like the new part flat side may be about 5.8 mm thick, and add in both 0.8 mm thick edges, and you get 7.4 mm. (I forgot to account for the second side edge, which wasn't visible, in my previous calculation.) The glass and any thin rubber like material (surrounding the glass as in current iPhones) can still sit in deeper than 0.8 mm anyway, but from other photos, it also looks like it's not much deeper than 0.8 mm. I can see the "notch" that the glass would sit in. I've read about the 0.8 mm Gorilla Glass 2, obviously if it's sitting inside the steel frame itself, then it's more protected than the glass on the current iPhone 4/4S.
I agree, it does appear that the new iPhone will be the thickness of that leaked part. I should look at some more photo's (it's hard to measure 3D objects from a 2D photo taken at two off-axis angles), and it is looking more like 7.4 mm.
Until I can see much higher resolution photos taken at better angles, all my calculations could be off by 3%-10%. I'm having to measure from blurry edges themselves.
If it is about 7.4 mm, then even better for 12% more battery space. That would be adding exactly an hour to the 8 hour talk time, making it 9 hours. Though, the new CPU/GPU "A6" and Qualcomm Gobi LTE chipset could take more or less power depending process (28 nm and/or 32 nm instead of 45 nm feature size)
I know the current frame is 6 mm thick. It looks like the new part flat side may be about 5.8 mm thick, and add in both 0.8 mm thick edges, and you get 7.4 mm. (I forgot to account for the second side edge, which wasn't visible, in my previous calculation.) The glass and any thin rubber like material (surrounding the glass as in current iPhones) can still sit in deeper than 0.8 mm anyway, but from other photos, it also looks like it's not much deeper than 0.8 mm. I can see the "notch" that the glass would sit in. I've read about the 0.8 mm Gorilla Glass 2, obviously if it's sitting inside the steel frame itself, then it's more protected than the glass on the current iPhone 4/4S.
It will start with the model number iPhone 5,1. It really is the fifth generation. The Original and 3G iPhones were iPhone 1,1 and 1,2 respectively. The iPhone 3GS was the true second generation.
iPhone (2G) is iPhone 1,1
iPhone 3G is iPhone 1,2
iPhone 3GS is iPhone 2,1
iPhone 4 is iPhone 3,1
iPhone 4S is iPhone 4,1
The new iPhone will be iPhone 5,1 (very likely)