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I wonder if that weird port is some sort of displayport, all though the shape would lead me to believe that it isn't one. The shape of a displayport is almost the same as a USB port:

http://images.google.com/images?q=d...US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi

I wonder if we'll see updated Cinema displays as well, given the new port, or would there just be a simple adapter cable from the new port to the existing displays?
 
M!K said:
if and only if, it has a backlit keyboard
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Probably no macbook for you then. As others have suggested, backlit keyboard is a trivial differentiator of pricepoint and "quality". You'll probably have to get an air if you want a small macbook with backlit keyboard (or a 13.3" MBP?)
 
samh004 said:
Chances are it'll have an ExpressCard/34 slot, and I know you can buy firewire adapters for them. I know it's an additional expense, but it can be done.
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by the looks of it only on the 'pro' models

I don't think they would include the backlit keyboard as standard across the line, when it's so easy to exclude it and make you want to spend more, just for 'it'.
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why not, this would be a good selling point and also be cheaper to manufacture one set of keys across 3+ models, less tooling, bulk buys etc. Actually would love to see the bluetooth keyboard get this feature (and black keys!!! to match imac etc)

We've had a mac laptop at 14" before, it didn't sell particularly well compared to it's 12" brother.
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probably due to resolution rather than screen size.

Actually, just because FW400 is in more devices, it's more likely that the slower standard will leave first. According to wikipedia, the FW800 port can be used for FW1600/3200 speeds.
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fw3200/1600/800 are all backwards compatible although you need an adapter cable.

Now as to size/heat issue. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the shape is going to be wedged (like the air) due to the older 'shell' pictures showing the underside part. Making an assumption on the height of the wedge at the rear to be no more than that of the current gen then the amount of rear exhaust would be the same so in theory the temps would be no different or less depending on the chipset etc.
 
Mini-DVI

It seems pretty clear that the port is going to be mini-DVI. If you look in the picture here, you can plainly see that it's the same shape as mini-DVI: http://www.machome.com.cn/attachments/month_0810/20081012_eb0e8521b22b2e8e64fearErZG7Bg1t0.jpg

Also, the pros will almost certainly do dual link across mini-dvi. Today, the mini-dvi specification has about half the pins dedicated to doing nothing. This is because no existing laptop with mini-dvi has video hardware that can do dual-link. Apple will just define the unused pins to be used for dual link on new laptops that have dual link capable hardware.
 
hqsbud said:
I'm in agreement with those who say the strange-shaped port is just a regular Mini-DVI port. It does look strange, but i think it's just a trick of reflected light. Look at the reflected light on the lower left corners of the audio-in and headphone jacks. Now look at the video port and imagine reflected light at the same angle. If you look really closely, you can even see a slight dark line to complete the shape of a normal Mini-DVI port, and the reflected light just makes it look like an indent in that corner.
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I'm finding it increasingly difficult to understand why the argument that this port has a different size than MiniDVI is so readily ignored. It cannot be MiniDVI, period.
 
dvorak319 said:
It seems pretty clear that the port is going to be mini-DVI. If you look in the picture here, you can plainly see that it's the same shape as mini-DVI: http://www.machome.com.cn/attachments/month_0810/20081012_eb0e8521b22b2e8e64fearErZG7Bg1t0.jpg

Also, the pros will almost certainly do dual link across mini-dvi. Today, the mini-dvi specification has about half the pins dedicated to doing nothing. This is because no existing laptop with mini-dvi has video hardware that can do dual-link. Apple will just define the unused pins to be used for dual link on new laptops that have dual link capable hardware.
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Despite the shape being similar, and ignoring the indented side or possible reflection it CANNOT be a mini-DVI port as we know it unless they're using huge USB ports, because the current mini-DVI port is almost exactly the same width as a normal USB port, comparing the unknown port to a normal USB port it is much smaller
 
I have some very nice FireWire based camcorders. I was always hoping to buy a cheaper Mac to replace my aging Macs. But now it seems I won't be able to do that.

Yet, Apple dropping FireWire on the whole MacBook range doesn't seem logical. The MacBook Air not having FireWire is something different, because it's a new product category. Apple has to date not dropped the FireWire on the iMac range. All the iMacs even have FireWire 800! Every Mac Apple currently sells has FireWire, except for the aforementioned MacBook Air. It would be more logical for Apple to set precedent with the Mac mini, because that is the low price, entry level Mac, although losing FireWire on that Mac would be a shame too.

If Apple introduces a Macbook range which will maybe top at $1399, that would be an expensive MacBook (or computer) without FireWire. This would not seem logical, unless the MacBook Pro will come into the previous MacBook price range.
 
Masklinn said:
Much needed? I'm pretty sure Apple has at least 10-15 billions of cash available right now. They don't need any.
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yeah agreed - Apple is cashed up - which is some insurance in these 'troubled times' (already a cliche). As I understand it, Apple stock traditionally falls when they announce new models (interestingly stock has stareted travelling North again since the invite!)
 
hmm i wanted to buy a macbook and a firewire soundcard, can't believe it if they dont support firewire anymore...
 
iGary said:
I'm gonna be pissed if there's no FireWire on the MB.
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I assume that you are British and refer to "having drunk too much alcohol", I therefore would use the word "when", not "if".

So, you will be pissed when the new Macbook is introduced, which, coincidentally is rather evening-ish in England. Cheers, mate, just don't over-do is, remember how a hangover is really a pain in the arse.
 
Fishd said:
Well, for one I'd prefer a front loading slot drive... I move my cursor to the drive... click eject... then my mousing hand gets stabbed by a CD. I have to move my external mouse and coffee out of the way... whereas if it was front loading... I'd just need to suck in my belly :D
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I mouse with my left hand, so I don't mind a CD popping out the right side. Finally, score one for the lefties!
 
iGary said:
I'm gonna be pissed if there's no FireWire on the MB.
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REEElax. There will be FW. Without it how would you get DV movies into iMovie? I think SJ is smart enough to know no FW would be a deal breaker for too many. Plus FW is Steve's baby. I don't think Apple will kill FW on the MB until 2010 at the earliest. That of course, is the year USB 3 arrives.
 
DonSqueak said:
I assume that you are British and refer to "having drunk too much alcohol", I therefore would use the word "when", not "if".

So, you will be pissed when the new Macbook is introduced, which, coincidentally is rather evening-ish in England. Cheers, mate, just don't over-do is, remember how a hangover is really a pain in the arse.
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lol

but don't rule out the notion that igary is always drunk
:)
 
Macsimus Hype said:
Apple stock traditionally falls when they announce new models (interestingly stock has stareted travelling North again since the invite!)
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Nintendo's the same, these companies have been running nothing but profits for years (decades for Nintendo, more than a century in fact), they have cash reserves bigger than the GDPs of most small countries, yet "analysts" keep making completely moronic suggestion and saying the sky's falling.
jojo13 said:
Is it me or these things are thin thin thin?
:D
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They're at least 3 or 4mm smaller than current macbooks, based on the size of the eth connector (so 0.11 to 0.15 inches thinner, for the metrically disadvantaged americans)
 
DonSqueak said:
I'm finding it increasingly difficult to understand why the argument that this port has a different size than MiniDVI is so readily ignored. It cannot be MiniDVI, period.
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MasterNile said:
Despite the shape being similar, and ignoring the indented side or possible reflection it CANNOT be a mini-DVI port as we know it unless they're using huge USB ports, because the current mini-DVI port is almost exactly the same width as a normal USB port, comparing the unknown port to a normal USB port it is much smaller
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I know that quoting myself is not really what one should be doing, but I want to stress this point (that MasterNile also made), as it is rather blatantly being ignored: Because of the size-difference, it cannot be MiniDVI.
 
Chupa Chupa said:
REEElax. There will be FW. Without it how would you get DV movies into iMovie? I think SJ is smart enough to know no FW would be a deal breaker for too many. Plus FW is Steve's baby. I don't think Apple will kill FW on the MB until 2010 at the earliest. That of course, is the year USB 3 arrives.
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Actually, hasn't a new FW just been released?
 
MasterNile said:
Despite the shape being similar, and ignoring the indented side or possible reflection it CANNOT be a mini-DVI port as we know it unless they're using huge USB ports, because the current mini-DVI port is almost exactly the same width as a normal USB port, comparing the unknown port to a normal USB port it is much smaller
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It's also possible that the USB port cutouts take into account a shroud from the motherboard that will fit into the cutout, but that the mini-DVI doesn't have that.

Also, oddly enough, the weird cutout only appears on the MB, not the MBP cases.
 
It seems about a zillion times more likely that Apple will kill Ethernet on the MacBook before Firewire.

I mean, it's a laptop - who needs a wired connection for their laptop these days? But Firewire is still crucial for many things, not to mention better-performing than USB.
 
Chupa Chupa said:
REEElax. There will be FW. Without it how would you get DV movies into iMovie? I think SJ is smart enough to know no FW would be a deal breaker for too many. Plus FW is Steve's baby. I don't think Apple will kill FW on the MB until 2010 at the earliest. That of course, is the year USB 3 arrives.
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Do you accept these images to be the new cases? If yes, can you please point out the FW port?? I don't see it.
 
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