Highlights of Apple's iPhone OS 3.0 Preview: Copy and Paste, A2DP, MMS, Much More

[jaw04005]

I could care less about Jailbreaking. Apple doesn't even care about it. Jailbreaking doesn't hurt Apple in the slightest.

Are you kidding? Apple does too care about jail-breaking. It prevents them from controlling the iPhone experience not to mention they'll miss out on a percentage of every application sold in the forthcoming Cydia store.

If Apple didn't care about jail-breaking they wouldn't be filing briefs with the U.S. Copyright Office declaring it a copyright violation and arguing against exemption.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2341085,00.asp

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

required by LAW.

How do they offer ANY intermediate updates for free (2.1, 2.2)? 3.0 is an artificial number. How does Apple offer Mac software update for free? How do other companies manage free updates? Sorry, but that's 100% complete and total BS. They're just gouging iPod Touch users until the end of time.

That's a huge burden on data, surely. 16GB of iTunes syncing over the air?? Maybe over local networks... but then... use USB man!

What other wireless would he be talking about to SYNC? And as for USB, why should we have to at this point? I have my iPod Touch in my music listening room connected to AC power on a coffee table between two listening recliners. It would be VERY nice to not have to go get it to update it when I have TWO wireless networks in the house.

I would like to know why I cannot access the music on my house server directly from WiFi as a shared library for the iPod Touch for that matter or to broadcast the music on the iPod Touch to my Apple TV units as an AirTunes broadast for that matter (oh that's right, because Apple wants me to buy cable and/or dock accessories, not broadcast it over WiFi for free).

 

[ziggyonice]

I am not happy with this at all. So I have to pay to upgrade while iPhone users don't.... that just doesn't make any sense at all to me.

Well, $20 of the 80 we iPhone users pay each month goes to Apple, & funds this software. What do you pay each month?

That’s a great way to put it. I am required to pay $101.60 a month for my iPhone, and Apple's asking iPod touch users to pay $10 each year -- optionally -- to get an update!

So you can optionally spend a whole 83¢ a month for a year to get this update.
Or you can spend my required $101.60 each month for two years and get the update for free.
Which would you prefer?

 

[Sehnsucht]

Why would i stop using my 1st Gen iPhone ? Granite its on EDGE, but its working perfectly fine.

Actually, "granite" is a type of igneous rock commonly used for countertops and decorative tile. "Granted" is a term used to mean "admittedly", "although", etc.

You shouldn't stop using your 1st gen iPhone...you should just get a new one every time a new generation comes out---an iPhone collection.

 

[MasterNile]

That’s a great way to put it. I am required to pay $101.60 a month for my iPhone, and Apple's asking iPod touch users to pay $10 each year -- optionally -- to get an update!

So 83¢ a month vs. $101.60. Which would you prefer?

That is exactly why I got a iPod Touch rather than an iPhone, $10 a year sure as hell beats the monthly fee for iPhones.

 

[asdavis10]

You forget that Apple makes no money from apps installed through jailbreaking, while they get a percent of paid apps from the AppStore.

Very true. But I think Apple is looking at the large, billion dollar, pond where WinMo, Symbian, BlackBerry, ect swim. The Jailbreaking community is too small for them to worry about. If it becomes a larger problem then maybe they will pay more attention to it.

Right after these statements your entire argument is moot. Apple does feel threatened by jailbreakers, that's why they've started to go after them.

Do you really think they've gone after them? I mean really. If Apple wanted to completely lock out Jailbreaking I think they could. Or at least make it much harder. Just my opinion.

Not true, I know quite a few nontechy people who jailbroke. Remember jailbreakme.com? That was one easy step (go to this site, now your phone is jailbroken)

My post should have said most people who Jailbreak their iPhones are tech savvy.

How so? Other than tethering, there's not much that hurts a carrier. Unless you're thinking of unlocking, which is completely different from jailbreaking.

No. Unlocking is to take the device to another carrier. It's a known fact that some Jailbroken apps use more network services than what Apple would allow through the App Store submission process. So this puts more strain on carrier networks.

=\ How in the world do you come to the conclusion that Apple doesn't need the carriers?

Because behind every carrier that has the iPhone there is at least one more that would be willing to step in to get the iPhone.

 

[MasterNile]

Very true. But I think Apple is looking at the large, billion dollar, pond where WinMo, Symbian, BlackBerry, ect swim. The Jailbreaking community is too small for them to worry about. If it becomes a larger problem then maybe they will pay more attention to it.

Do you really think they've gone after them? I mean really. If Apple wanted to completely lock out Jailbreaking I think they could. Or at least make it much harder. Just my opinion.

Because behind every carrier that has the iPhone there is at least one more that would be willing to step in to get the iPhone.

It's not so much that they don't care about the jailbreaking community, it's that it requires new hardware to prevent jailbreaking, software alone won't do it.

But...they have tried to make jailbreaking harder, do you realize that it took until just recently to do a untethered 2nd Gen iPod Touch jailbreak?

It doesn't matter if they have 100 carriers willing to step in to get the iPhone till their contracts are up with the current carriers.

 

[asdavis10]

Are you kidding? Apple does too care about jail-breaking. It prevents them from controlling the iPhone experience not to mention they'll miss out on a percentage of every application sold in the forthcoming Cydia store.

If Apple didn't care about jail-breaking they wouldn't be filing briefs with the U.S. Copyright Office declaring it a copyright violation and arguing against exemption.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2341085,00.asp

It prevents them from controlling the experience for users who don't want that experience. Those aren't the users Apple is most concerned about when looking at the end-user experience. I really don't think they're losing that much money on Jailbroken iPhones. Simply because most of the apps that are available for Jailbroken iPhones wouldn't be accepted into the App Store anyway. And most are free. No money being lost there. As for that filing, I just think they doing that because they're leveraging their resources. Sending lawyers to solve this problem rather than wasting developers times to try and make something 100% unbreakable. No matter how good you build something, someone will always be able to take it down unless its declared unlawful to do so.

 

[asdavis10]

It's not so much that they don't care about the jailbreaking community, it's that it requires new hardware to prevent jailbreaking, software alone won't do it.

But...they have tried to make jailbreaking harder, do you realize that it took until just recently to do a untethered 2nd Gen iPod Touch jailbreak?

It doesn't matter if they have 100 carriers willing to step in to get the iPhone till their contracts are up with the current carriers.

You're right about the hardware. I just think that those apps designed to work on Jailbroken iPhones aren't really costing Apple any money. Most of those apps would be rejected from the app store anyway and most are free. When Apple starts to feel the amount of money they're losing, then they will fully address it. And as for the carriers, they are also locked to Apple for the duration of that contract. I just feel that Apple would be willing to move to another carrier if need be more than those carriers would be willing to move away from Apple. Once again...just my opinion.

 

[Cleverboy]

It always amazes me how new upgrades can piss people off from one reason or another. I like how some iPod Touch owners are now MAD that Apple has a Bluetooth radio hidden away in their devices and has not seen fit to turn it on until now... but now they're "forced" to pay for it. Oh, the indignity!

Apple should fire all of its staff, and simply get all of its software from the free software fairy godmother... and then redistribute it judiciously to everyone who purchased their devices, whether they be 1, 2, or even 3 years old. Forget business models, Sarbanes-Oxley, cost of development, etc. Fair is fair... what we purchased isn't a finished product, we purchased ongoing development from Apple for an indefinite period of time. They should constantly improve their device for years at their own expense (they've plenty of money), and should thank their lucky stars that we bothered to even be their customers in the first place!

iPhone 3.0. Puh-lease. Who are they kidding? This stuff isn't rocket science.

Supporting MMS with one radio and not another (the code is already done for both radios, Apple didn't develop any special way of sending data with each radio) is nothing like supporting two CPU architectures for an entire operating systems. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

Do you?

~ CB

 

[iQuit]

Genius!

A near perfect update. The only thing I could ask for is a way to turn off the sudden motion sensor so that it doesn't flip around when laying down.

 

[Mad Mac]

Can anyone verify if turn-by-turn is with audible voice prompts?

 

[MasterNile]

Can anyone verify if turn-by-turn is with audible voice prompts?

It's just capable of turn by turn, I would think audible voice prompts would be possible but depends on the app developer and as there are no turn by turn apps, I don't think anyone can confirm or deny this.

 

[kdarling]

If Apple is too inexperienced to write MMS for the older phone, then they could've bought a third party solution, just as they no doubt bought the 3G radio software.

 

[MasterNile]

If Apple is too inexperienced to write MMS for the older phone, then they could've bought a third party solution, just as they no doubt bought the 3G radio software.

Did you read the thread and the discussion about it earlier? it's not that they are too inexperienced to do it, it's that the effort and cost needed for it didn't match the profit/need for it, not to mention it increased people's desire to upgrade.

 

[MD5Hash]

Language support would be nice.

If you're going to sell a phone in Jordan and Saudi, apple, don't you think it should actually support the languages these parts of the world use? I mean, I don't need arabic on a day to day basis but for us business over here that work with arab clients constantly, it's embarassing to have this disconnected, wrong-directioned garbage.

Simply ridiculous that the iPhone was released here without it, for that matter.

In any case though, the updates look nice. Although I just have an iPod touch currently and I'm not legally allowed to buy things from the apple store anymore as they think my Jordanian IP address means I've stolen this american credit card, I'm looking forward to "sampling" the 3.0 software when it comes out and we know more about it.

Then I'll just fly to Europe and buy one for wherever gives me the best deal

 

[MasterNile]

If you're going to sell a phone in Jordan and Saudi, apple, don't you think it should actually support the languages these parts of the world use? I mean, I don't need arabic on a day to day basis but for us business over here that work with arab clients constantly, it's embarassing to have this disconnected, wrong-directioned garbage.

Simply ridiculous that the iPhone was released here without it, for that matter.

In any case though, the updates look nice. Although I just have an iPod touch currently and I'm not legally allowed to buy things from the apple store anymore as they think my Jordanian IP address means I've stolen this american credit card, I'm looking forward to "sampling" the 3.0 software when it comes out and we know more about it.

Then I'll just fly to Europe and buy one for wherever gives me the best deal

I didn't even realize this was a problem, but yes it seems like a very stupid problem.

 

[Ropedartman]

Great News!

Overall, I am very pleased with what I saw for 3.0. Of course there will be complaints and of course they could have added originally what crappy phones have had for years. But I bought my original iPhone knowing what it lacked and have loved the hell out of it every day for almost 2 years now. Could never say that about any other (smart)phone I've ever used. This was just a sneak peek for developers and I assume the hardware revision in June will be even better. Not much more I could ask for really. It'll probably be a bit faster and a better camera with video seems like a given. Easy to live without the MMS, but having it again, I'll end up using it.

Some good arguments regarding driving and talking on the phone. Personally, I use Airplane Mode while driving (better FM transmitter reception anyway). But having a Turn-by-Turn map program with downloaded maps would solve my only complaint about driving with the iPhone on Airplane Mode. I suppose the Bluetooth changes will allow me to use that rather than FM for my music anyway. Probably still turn off the phone part though...sometimes it's nice to NOT be contacted through 6 different ways for a while...

 

[Cleverboy]

Can anyone verify if turn-by-turn is with audible voice prompts?

Supporting "turn-by-turn" directions, does not have ANY bearing on voice prompts. Individual developers can add voice prompts however they like, Apple is just making sure that the developers have access to up-to-the-second location data from the GPS, including speed and heading information. The iPhone is already capable of playing audio clips on request (much like the iPod shuffle's "Voice Over" implementation). If you're wondering if Apple will enable text-to-speech on future OS's, then I believe we still have a wait in front of us.

Did you read the thread and the discussion about it earlier? it's not that they are too inexperienced to do it, it's that the effort and cost needed for it didn't match the profit/need for it, not to mention it increased people's desire to upgrade.

I'm not sure how many different ways people can relate this same, basic, truth. Everyone who bought an iPhone 1.0 KNEW that it didn't have MMS. Giving it to them after that fact, at such a cost would make just as much sense as rumors that Apple would add "cover flow" to all older iPods.

~ CB

 

[rickdollar]

No Kidding

You have to hand it to Apple...

They sure know the definitions of the words BUSINESS and PROFIT.

As much as I would love to be amazed and awed at the added functionalities involved with the impending 3.0 "upgrade," I am just sick of Apple holding out on features it should have already had on the iPhone to begin with, just so they can suck people in later on and play the hero. Almost none of the features going to be added are at all revolutionary, and almost all of them can be found in some phones that have been out on the market for years. Yet all of a sudden MMS and copy and paste FINALLY appears and HALLELUJAH! Apple is GOD and is really working hard to please its customers! Please. It's just lame hyping up this OS as "even more advanced" when it's introducing very few things that are unique and integrating many that should already have been present at the first iteration of the phone. And don't make the claim that "well, they'll sell more now that people see what they're putting into it" as this argument is pointless, Apple would ALREADY have sold more if they had most of these things implemented in the first place.

Don't get me wrong, I love my 3G, I think it's an incredible piece of technology and I couldn't imagine switching to anything else at this point because for the most part, i've been highly satisfied. I just find it kind of funny how much Apple is being glorified all over again for releasing features that, and I can't stress this enough, should have already been there since the first iPhone was released and hyping these features as being advanced, cause they're not. Apple is the only company that can be praised for injecting "brand new and advanced features" into a particular product when similar products with comparable/exact same features exist. This says a lot about Apple fanboys...

My thoughts exactly. I sure hope they held back on features that would give away the next iPhone version. If the Palm Pre works as well as Palm says it will, I see no reason for a non-Mac user to purchase an iPhone. Where was the real innovation revealed in this press conference? I just don't see it...and I LOVE nearly all my Apple products and services ..... so I'm not trolling.

 

[Lershac]

Surely that would require a hardware update?

didnt for my curve

just an os upgrade

gonna get an iphone when this comes out tho. notes sync did it for me

 

[Lershac]

IIRC, MMS is part of 3G, and since the first-gen iPhone does not support 3G....

funny my edge blackberry sends boobie pics just fine

 

[MasterNile]

My thoughts exactly. I sure hope they held back on features that would give away the next iPhone version. If the Palm Pre works as well as Palm says it will, I see no reason for a non-Mac user to purchase an iPhone. Where was the real innovation revealed in this press conference? I just don't see it...and I LOVE nearly all my Apple products and services ..... so I'm not trolling.

You realize this was to release a BETA of the SDK 3.0 for developers, features can still be added to the SDK (and I'd be willing to bet the SDK will stay in beta till june when the new iPhone is released) and knowing how Apple doesn't like to give away info on hardware updates they probably kept the new features specific to the next gen iPhone a secret and left them out of the SDK until later.

 

[Funplex]

I'm regretting wasting the $300 on an iPod Touch with yet another 'must pay' update.

 

[kallisti]

I'm regretting wasting the $300 on an iPod Touch with yet another 'must pay' update.

Why are you regretting it? Does the device not function as advertised at the time of purchase? Did it suddenly stop working the minute the 3.0 SDK was announced? Would you prefer that the software was not updatable and that the only option was to spend another $300 on a brand new device that offered new functionality?