Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Good

Cant wait for the update!!! Just want video.. how much do you guys think a new version of the iphone would cost?
 
Does anybody know if this is the new sdk?
What I wouldn't give for someone to be able to push video out through Bluetooth to a small wireless device sitting on top of the TV. I'm not confident Bluetooth even has the bandwidth, but for iPod Touch (2G), iPhone, and iPhone 3G users... that would be a small victory for presenters and game enthusiasts now that they've unleashed full accessory customization.

~ CB
 
if you think so stay where you are then i not telling you to leave at@t but if your so upset about no mms in 3.0 for the first gen i'm telling you what's wrong i live on the eastcoast i'm telling you mine's is on verizon and i hate to tell you verizon is in europe under vodaphone and they have it there so if you wanna believe me or not i could careless i not stuck to at@t lol haha my wife and daughter have a blackberry storms and i have the iphone first gen on a family plan i have mms working on my iphone it's at@t that is blocking you guys from getting your service hate to say it.plus like i said i work at verizon and it was word that was not to be said until the 2yr iphone contracts with at@t were up.to the first gen iphone people if you wanna switch you can if you don't believe me go to your local verison store and askthem that you wanna and your bring iphone over to their service see what they say.

:eek::confused:

My brain hurts now.
 
meaningless stream of words

Frankly, it really doesn't matter one iota whether you're right or wrong about any of this: If you don't make an attempt to organize your thoughts into meaningful sentences, nobody's going to take anything you have to say seriously.
 
if you think so stay where you are then i not telling you to leave at@t but if your so upset about no mms in 3.0 for the first gen i'm telling you what's wrong i live on the eastcoast i'm telling you mine's is on verizon and i hate to tell you verizon is in europe under vodaphone and they have it there so if you wanna believe me or not i could careless i not stuck to at@t lol haha my wife and daughter have a blackberry storms and i have the iphone first gen on a family plan i have mms working on my iphone it's at@t that is blocking you guys from getting your service hate to say it.plus like i said i work at verizon and it was word that was not to be said until the 2yr iphone contracts with at@t were up.to the first gen iphone people if you wanna switch you can if you don't believe me go to your local verison store and askthem that you wanna and your bring iphone over to their service see what they say.

Quoted for truth!
:D:D
Can I nominate this for post of the year?
 
How can that be the new SDK, it is from 11/2008 and says 2.2 SDK, the new one is 3.0 SDK, the video out capability is in the current build of the iPhone/iPod Touch firmware, and if you jailbreak it you can output any app over video out.
I'm thinking he meant, "if this is IN the new sdk". Because this class was obtained from a framework dump and is an undocumented feature, the concern is that it will simply vanish during an update. Hopefully the CoverFlow class is IN the new sdk for 3.0 too. 1000 new things. Lots of room for some snazzy things to be there. Can't wait for someone to risk violating their NDA by passing their SDK to a non-developer who can freely expound upon it publicly without waiting until June (at which point the normal freedoms... the new ones... should kick in).

~ CB
 
I'm thinking he meant, "if this is IN the new sdk". Because this class was obtained from a framework dump and is an undocumented feature, the concern is that it will simply vanish during an update. Hopefully the CoverFlow class is IN the new sdk for 3.0 too. 1000 new things. Lots of room for some snazzy things to be there. Can't wait for someone to risk violating their NDA by passing their SDK to a non-developer who can freely expound upon it publicly without waiting until June (at which point the normal freedoms... the new ones... should kick in).

~ CB

Yeah that makes more sense, but the lack of that 2 letter word makes the statement completely different. So I figured if that's what he meant he would correct it after I made my post.
 
As an enterprise user I am disappointed that they still have not added support for multiple email signatures.

Hopefully it will be present in the final release.
 
As an enterprise user I am disappointed that they still have not added support for multiple email signatures.

Hopefully it will be present in the final release.

yes, and as a teenage user I don't like that they don't support embedding emoji in email. They should, that way the little icons will show up on computers and other email supporting phones.
 
That's pretty cool.
:rolleyes:

iPhone gets features that should be there from day 1. What a great advancement to the iPhone. Stevie is such a visionaire...
 
Yeah that makes more sense, but the lack of that 2 letter word makes the statement completely different. So I figured if that's what he meant he would correct it after I made my post.

opps yea I f'd up

I meant

is the ability to output apps through video out in the new sdk
 
As an enterprise user I am disappointed that they still have not added support for multiple email signatures. Hopefully it will be present in the final release.
I think a "unified inbox" is another high priority for an upcoming revision. I suspect that now that they have "selection" and "copy/paste" controls for text, they can afford to add "rich text" options to signatures as well. Bold, italic, text color, embedded logos, etc.
yes, and as a teenage user I don't like that they don't support embedding emoji in email. They should, that way the little icons will show up on computers and other email supporting phones.
I'm ecstatic about the fact that they're adding support for "data detectors", so that "dates" or "locations" can be automatically recognized and linked to other applications or utilities (like in Leopard's Apple Mail).

I think Emoji would likely be a part of that whole level of consideration, as VERY often smiley faces show up where they're not wanted... in basic implementations. Turning the feature on and off would help, but conflicts shouldn't be too irksome in any case.
That's pretty cool.
:rolleyes: iPhone gets features that should be there from day 1. What a great advancement to the iPhone. Stevie is such a visionaire...
I'm especially glad that the iPhone OS will be a platform that doesn't arbitrarily "lose" features moving forward (the exception being carriers that don't support a carrier dependent feature like Visual Voicemail). I think its great the Pre gets to ride the iPhone's coattails in getting certain features "on day one" (like a nice WebKit browser Apple has contributed heavily towards advancing). Verizon folks are still wondering whether they're going to be able to use their Blackberry GPS' on anything other than VZNavigator, while the iPhone's released a whole framework for multifarious GPS and location services. If Apple offers geocoding capabilities I'm going to be pleased as punch.

It's definitely taken a while for the iPhone to cover the landscape of features smart phones have been piece mealing into sets for years... but the wonderful distinction is that Apple has created a one-stop-shop that they tend towards not allowing carriers to arbitrarily fracture. As a former Sprint/Nextel user who had a calculator in one phone, and upgraded, only to have to PAY for a calculator in his supposed "advanced" new phone... that means something to me.

1000 new APIs. I mean... yikes. Going forward, I can guarantee there will be more and more talk of "monopoly" and less talk of "Apple hype" and "lack of features". I predict the HOTTEST sore spot will be all the 3rd party accessories that the iPhone will connect to through its proprietary 30 pin connector.

I'm hoping that if devices begin supporting Bonjour Bluetooth wireless connections in any wide capacity, that there will be an industry standard formed to push it forward as something many device OS' can utilize (Android, WinMo, Blackberry, etc).

~ CB
 
As for being inter-carrier compatible, I think that unless Congress mandated it, ATT and Verizon are specifically going to make sure their devices can't be easily moved between them. It's not in their interest.

Unlocked AT&T phones can be used on T-Mobile. Whether or not AT&T and Verizon LTE phones can be used on the other's network depends on whether or not LTE requires SIM cards and if Verizon adopts SIM cards if the usage is optional.
 
Just my two cents...

I posted this on engadget and figured I would post it here as well:

As a developer, I feel that 3.0 is usable, yet sluggish at times. The amount of new APIs is truly amazing and opens up many new doors. Transitioning from an app (native or third party) to the home screen feels sluggish at times. I have also noticed that the status bar across the top seems to get "stuck" on the side periodically when in landscape mode, mainly in Notes. E-mailing pictures from the photo albums seem to have a bit of lag as well. I have already experienced a "lock-up" of sorts after using the Facebook app. It seems that I was stuck in the Phone app and could only switch to Messages if I looked at a contact's info and clicked on Text Message, otherwise I was not able to return to the home screen and required cycling of the power. Sliding from the Home screen to the Search/Finder feels a bit sluggish as well as the actual search itself, but I assume this will be streamlined before going live. Copy and paste seems to work beautifully, but when trying to move the cursor in the Messages app, it seems to want to always select text instead of moving the cursor. I am unsure if this is a localized problem or if other may be experiencing the same.

I am very fond of the updated Recent Calls list, as it now shows locations as well as durations of each call. I also enjoy how the Camera app now shows a thumbnail in the lower left corner of the last picture taken. Typing in landscape mode is a blessing and feels much more natural than the portrait keyboard layout, although there is not (currently) support for landscape mode in the Calendar app. This slightly disappoints me since all other apps work seamlessly with landscape mode, with the exceptions I have mentioned and I feel that I input dates into the Calendar app more often than I use iCal since I am always on the go.

Hope this helps someone :)
 
Whether or not AT&T and Verizon LTE phones can be used on the other's network depends on whether or not LTE requires SIM cards and if Verizon adopts SIM cards if the usage is optional.

LTE is just the basis for a 4G network. It doesn't define the details.

Since Verizon is driving the LTE standard in the USA at this point, it's very doubtful that they'll use SIMs. Vodafone might though. And ATT might.

However, that's assuming there are LTE phones. Again, LTE is seen by Verizon as a way for many common devices to gain broadband connections without WiFi... not to be used for voice. They intend to continue using CDMA for that.

The latest Verizon LTE vision (Feb 09) can be read here.
 
Unlocked AT&T phones can be used on T-Mobile. Whether or not AT&T and Verizon LTE phones can be used on the other's network depends on whether or not LTE requires SIM cards and if Verizon adopts SIM cards if the usage is optional.
I'd agree with kdarling... that the carriers... unless mandated by congress, might very well do everything in their power to maintain physical exclusivity for each device. It's my belief however, that by the time we get to 2012, and LTE is out in force, Apple won't need to launch ANY exclusivity agreements to maintain customer interest. Verizon has "pledged" that "any device" can be activated on their network... and yet, AT&T with GSM is the only one of the two that doesn't need to explicitly "enable" devices for its customers.

Worse, Verizon has a practice of "disabling" features, like the GPS, unless you're using its own applications. --This could prove a problem for a device like the iPhone, were it at some point CDMA compatible. If Apple chose to make one phone that worked on each of the different networks, it would be a remarkable accomplishment... yet if Verizon chooses not to enable it... it could be a public relations debacle on BOTH sides.

--Verizon is NOT COOL with many aspects of the iPhone that undermine its network properties. GPS for its VZNavigator, WiFi for its EV-DO, and iTunes for its VCast service (some of these were show stoppers for early negotiations). Nevermind the carrier's need to work WITH Apple on Visual Voicemail, I'd imagine simply supporting Verizon's LTE implementation (whether a different SIM card type, or some SIM-less method) would be the least of the challenges. By giving people a great service and many features that sit on the fringe of what customers expect, Verizon has lulled customers into a sense of security that they are all for openness and customer value.

http://gizmodo.com/369961/verizons-open+door-policy-what-it-actually-means
After all, GSM operators like AT&T and T-Mobile have always had a degree of openness. Verizon is in a way just catching up.
I guess we'll see what happens if a device on the calibre of the iPhone ever hits our plates... what degree of "openness" Verizon will be interested in. Odds are, we consumers will only hear about why it didn't work out, through backroom rumors.

~ CB
 
Verizon doesn't disable anything on its smartphones, except the access to GPS (which is changing now, and many people unlock it with hacked ROMs anyway).

This is partly because no one else even had GPS in their phones for a long time, and Verizon mainly had it for E911 accuracy. (ATT used far less accurate cell tower location for E911. This is changing too, now that requirements are tightening.) VZNavigator was kind of an afterthought that worked out.

Also, Verizon had expected to sell LBS (location based services) and that idea is taking a little while to go away. I expect within a year or so, there'll be no more GPS locking.

Apple, in comparison, has had the iPhone locked up tighter than ANYTHING Verizon would do... especially until recently. No apps allowed from anyone but Apple, no alternative browsers, no decent Bluetooth profiles until 3.0 (and still not great), and legal moves to block jailbreaking.

Not to mention Apple's original idea that they would receive monthly royalties from all their iPhone customers, by stealing their subsidy money.

So neither party is free of "locking". It's especially ironic that Verizon still is remembered for leaving out Bluetooth tethering/etc in one or two dumbphones years ago, yet Apple has taken years to enable even a few more Bluetooth profiles.
 
Cool. MMS. Where are all those fanboy tools now that said there would never be MMS and how it was an old technology and Apple is just being a trailblazer?
 
Verizon doesn't disable anything on its smartphones, except the access to GPS (which is changing now, and many people unlock it with hacked ROMs anyway).
That's kind of a big "except". If you can find location-aware applications other than Google Maps running consistently across Verizon phones, that would be useful information. In one of the links I provided, the writer was lamenting that Verizon "disabled" his Bluetooth as well. I mean, read this complaint from the BoyGeniusReport (Feb 18, 2009):
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009...s-on-verizon-blackberry-storm/comment-page-1/
Google has just released an updated version of Google Maps for BlackBerry which supports GPS right out of the box, and it also includes Latitude so you can get your stalking on. Of note: Google politely told any other Verizon BlackBerry user (Curve 8330, 8830) to go screw themselves since the Storm is the only device with a third party-accessable GPS chip. For any other BlackBerry addict, don’t get too excited as this isn’t a new release of Google Maps for you, it’s just bringing the Storm handsets up to date with what you already had.
It sounds like you're drinking Verizon's kool-aid if you're just "excepting" this as a temporary short-coming (pun intended). In reality, its stupid and unacceptable and they need to move quickly to reposition themselves.
This is partly because no one else even had GPS in their phones for a long time, and Verizon mainly had it for E911 accuracy.
If this were an excuse for Apple, I'd roll my eyes just as hard. GPS has been on phones for a WHILE now. The first instinct was to use it to push a carrier specific service (like AT&T also did). --Things like Google Maps have made it clear that this whole idea needs to be re-examined. While Verizon wanted Apple to accept VCast and VZNavigator, Apple got concessions from AT&T on that front and used that to push its way into other carriers with the same terms. This is an important fact regarding these "gate keepers".
Also, Verizon had expected to sell LBS (location based services) and that idea is taking a little while to go away.
Again, this is a very understandable excuse. Right now, my "not accepting" this, is part of the consumer pressure they NEED to be feeling. How many "location based" apps are in the App Store right now? Urban Spoon. Where. Jogging apps. Social networking. Some really nice... FREE... stuff out there. That Verizon is playing catch up should be FRONT and CENTER, not swept under the rug as a penance for coming early to the game with the wrong concept. That's been some of Microsoft's greatest sins, and why Apple often holds back before getting itself involved in a market that falls apart while it tries to gain footing (like putting early cable cards into AppleTVs, that would have been painful).
Apple, in comparison, has had the iPhone locked up tighter than ANYTHING Verizon would do... especially until recently. No apps allowed from anyone but Apple, no alternative browsers, no decent Bluetooth profiles until 3.0 (and still not great), and legal moves to block jailbreaking.
Meh. Here's what I understand about what Apple is doing. Apple is TRYING... TRYING to protect the user experience. There are some things they're doing that smack of financial protectionism, but others that I think are legitimate attempts to foment some consistency. It's THEIR platform, THEY have to deal with the fall out of anything that happens on it. I think not supporting Bluetooth keyboards... is frankly protectionism. They don't want the iPhone to turn into a laptop/netbook thing. That... I can overlook.

Other things like protecting "Fair Play" and staying in good graces with content holders stops them from going nutty with media file management. A2DP, I think has been a quality and consistency issue. They snuck Bluetooth into the 2G iPod Touch, and now that they've finished developing stereo support, they're adding it across the platform and coupling it with other wireless networking goodies. Overall Bluetooth file transfer profiles don't serve much purpose without a universal file system, and Apple has been curious quiet on that end... letting software like AirShare and Files step in to fill the void for taking a viewing files on the go. Business cards? First they linked vCard attachments in email (big step) to the contact app, now they've hot linked it even more, and predictably are adding data detectors to link written addresses to Google Maps. This is excellent, and not the dead-end "no movement / change the subject" behavior some others have taken in the space.

Not to start a "jailbreaking" versus "non--jailbreaking" argument, but I have a hard time paying attention to what was once my favorite iPhone podcast due to this snotty notion that somehow jail-breaking makes your phone "amazing" or "useful". It's HACKING. It's FUN. But, seriously... only gadget enthusiasts can honestly call it anything but fooling around.

Even before Apple published its SDK, the jailbreaker programmers like Erica Sadun were noting that it was clear they were headed in this direction. Apple has now added 1000 MORE APIs with version 3.0, and is effectively doing more than most other mobile OS's... simply because it has been steadily working on a cohesive approach. The security problems on the initial iPhone were HUGE. By 2.0 they'd fixed them enough to open up the device, and by 3.0 they're opening it up more.

There's still stuff on the MacOS that has to be "hacked" to modify. That's why the Application Enhancer exists. Personally, using undocumented APIs and hacking things up gets messy. Seems to me Apple is trying to release features and updates in a way that they can actually SUPPORT, and not just throwing features into a one-off device that they'll pledge to get right "next time".

Look at WinMo...
http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/18/editorial-ten-reasons-why-windows-mobile-6-5-misses-the-mark/
Microsoft is excluding phones from updates simply because they lack a labelled "start flag" button. There are SO many versions of Windows Mobile phones out there, with features supported on some hardware but not on others, some networks, but not on others... its humorous to me that when Apple comes out with ONE PHONE that generally has all of its features available on all of its supported networks, suddenly they're the "bad guy".

Microsoft announces its own App Store, and quickly adopts the SAME principles Apple took... 70/30 split with developers, $99 per year... but quickly limits each developer to 5 apps per $99 fee. Others are following suit. Why did it take Apple's approach to get this type of ease-of-use issue rolling? Moreover, will ALL these other phones/platforms catch up quickly to Apple's accessory market avenues? Sadly... NO. This is going to be a serious battleground moving forward.

Not to mention Apple's original idea that they would receive monthly royalties from all their iPhone customers, by stealing their subsidy money.
You're a riot. Apple didn't release a subsidized phone initially for a number of reasons. How much was the Razor when it FIRST debuted? How much was it a year later? I think they managed demand very well on their first outing, and are priced extremely well right now... especially considering its other non-phone product.
So neither party is free of "locking". It's especially ironic that Verizon still is remembered for leaving out Bluetooth tethering/etc in one or two dumbphones years ago, yet Apple has taken years to enable even a few more Bluetooth profiles.
The great thing is that once Apple enables tethering, it will only "vanish" if the network takes it away as a service (which is their right). Apple has done SO much "in software", without proprietary chips that may or may not make it into subsequent handsets, they've made themselves into a monster.

Until Apple came along, Nokia thrived on differentiating its phones by deciding which types of customers needed which types of features. Now, people will be looking at every other phone, and wondering why features vanish and return between various handset lines, while the iPhone continues to "accumulate" features in its OS and hardware that developers can count on to make extremely "sticky" and hardware agnostic applications.

~ CB
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.