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I wish it were still possible to buy a truly dumb TV. HDMI inputs are all I need. Plug in my Apple TV and it's done. When the Apple TV becomes obsolete, I upgrade it instead of replacing the whole TV.

Smart TVs also have security and privacy concerns. Complete, total fail.

It's all about money. TVs barely make the manufacturers money in themselves. Smart TVs are exactly like the bloatware of PCs, they bring the makers much needed revenue both via commissions that are paid by services like Netflix and Amazon, and also by selling viewing data to advertisers.

You can indeed buy dumb TVs, look at the commercial models intended for hotels.
 
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Agreed, can't wait to see what a laggy mess they become 2 years from now when they're no longer updated

Not to mention I don't need the smart in the TV so we're paying for features we won't use

Things I need my TV to do:
  • Turn on
  • Use the HDMI ports
  • Have picture viewing modes

Buy a monitor, no seriously, I wish they just sell bare bones (55"-70") monitors, no tuners at all, just HDMI in amongst some other ports.


You know what I think, earlier models will get it, the guy (Piers Le Moignan) might have spoken too early.
 
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Yes,yes, but...most of the times they are more expensive, or do I get that wrong?

Sure, no free lunch. As I mentioned in another comment, the smart TV features bring in revenue via Netflix commissions and selling viewing data to advertisers.

Related, I suspect Apple is paying good money, hence the wide overnight adoption.
 
When I visit the links you provided I have to request a quote, they're obviously not just consumer ready TVs

Why they're called "commercial TVs". The usual corporate IT resellers, B&H, PC Connection, CDW for example, carry them with prices.
 
I just want my Apple TV to work with Homekit. I want to be able to say to my HomePod, "Turn on Apple TV" and have my Apple TV and Samsung TV turn on as if I had pressed the button on my remote. I would also like to be able to select a show and play / pause by voice command. It REALLY seems like that should be a pretty straight forward thing for Siri / Homekit to control.
 
That's lovely. My less than 3 year old 55" LG OLED that was in the $2500 to $3000 range won't get this, even though it is fully capable of supporting this with a software update?

Way to go, LG.

As soon as someone besides LG releases a decent OLED, I'm likely to switch.
 
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Dang. I have a 2018 LG OLED TV...so looks like there won't be an update for mine after all. Oh well, I have 4kATV hooked up to it anyway so this really wouldn't do much in my case.
 
I just want my Apple TV to work with Homekit. I want to be able to say to my HomePod, "Turn on Apple TV" and have my Apple TV and Samsung TV turn on as if I had pressed the button on my remote. I would also like to be able to select a show and play / pause by voice command. It REALLY seems like that should be a pretty straight forward thing for Siri / Homekit to control.

It will turn on/off now with iOS 13 and tvOS 13 beta when asking Siri. I'd imagine it would also be available for HomePod when it's also updated to version 13.
 
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But Vizio tvs are TERRIBLE....

You know I once thought that but I started looking at their TV's last year with the P-Series Quantum. The pq on those rival Sony and Samsung. My current TV is a LG OLED but their decision not to, at the very least, bring HomeKit to their older sets, soured me to the brand (BTW, I was able to bring HomeKit to my LG via Homebridge). In fact, I was once skeptical of LG as a brand since they started as Goldstar (LG stands for Lucky-Goldstar) a budget (cheap) electronics manufacturer in the 90's that I always used to find at swap meets (flea markets).

Last year's P-series Quantum model (plus their intent to bring HomeKit/ApplePlay 2 to older models) convinced me to give Vizio a try this year since I was in the market for a 65"; I decided to pick up their 65" Quantum X. I'll evaluate longevity as the years pass but the PQ is great! Never thought I'd ever buy a Vizio but so far I'm glad I did.
 
Wonder which sonys will have HomeKit support. I don’t care much about airplay I’ll still be using my appletv4k. Never use airplay on my receiver. Appletv’s interface just looks better than a black screen and what you have playing on these tv’s anyway.
 
It will turn on/off now with iOS 13 and tvOS 13 beta when asking Siri. I'd imagine it would also be available for HomePod when it's also updated to version 13.
Thank you for the good news! I don't run the beta software and I had not heard that iOS 13 would include this function. You made my day!
 
LG’s software has always seemed a bit flaky to me, so no big loss to me if they don’t implement it on older TV’s as I would likely rather stick to my Apple TV anyway. But it will be interesting to see how this develops going forward.
 
And Airplay3 will screw it all up again. Is anyone else sick of these embedded app games encouraged by Apple, Google, etc., and played to the hilt by hardware companies to try and move their unsold gadgets? We have a nice LG 4K TV bought two years ago and LG basically refuses to update the firmware to include any of these recent features.
 
Bunch of as*hol*s. I bought an LG TV in 2018. Apparently my TV bought in august 2018 isn't "good enough" to get the upgrade.

Not sure if I'll be purchasing an LG TV anytime in the future as a result.
 
Agreed, can't wait to see what a laggy mess they become 2 years from now when they're no longer updated

Not to mention I don't need the smart in the TV so we're paying for features we won't use

Things I need my TV to do:
  • Turn on
  • Use the HDMI ports
  • Have picture viewing modes

I wish more people had experienced what tvs used to be like.. and could actually appreciate how great they have become, instead of whining about them including some features they don't personally need and could completely ignore if they don't need it. But heck, we now live in the "me" generation.
 
I wish more people had experienced what tvs used to be like.. and could actually appreciate how great they have become, instead of whining about them including some features they don't personally need and could completely ignore if they don't need it. But heck, we now live in the "me" generation.
You want me to ignore the features I don't want that I end up paying hundreds of dollars for

And tell me what TVs used to be like, because if they're dumb I'd happily go back to that
 
I wish more people had experienced what tvs used to be like.. and could actually appreciate how great they have become, instead of whining about them including some features they don't personally need and could completely ignore if they don't need it. But heck, we now live in the "me" generation.

It's hard to appreciate the Netflix and Amazon ads that are permanently a part of the remotes, the large ads in the user interfaces, and the built-in spyware that sends images of what you're watching to advertisers to associate with your IP address and send your family targeted ads.
 
As someone who dropped £2400 on an LG OLED last year it would be nice to get software support beyond the bare minimum. They advertise the features of WebOS, the processor inside the TV being a fast Quad core and then don't really support it for the useful life of the product. The OLED hardware is good, clearly LG need to smarten up on the software and lifecycle support side of their business.

This is why I value Apple and enjoy my Apple TV 4K, they typically support devices far longer than other manufacturers and in a lot of cases throughout the life of a product the OS and software gets upgraded.
 
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And this, my friends, is why Smart TVs are such bull****. Your three year old TV, which still has a beautifully capable display panel, can't be upgraded to support current standards.

I wish it were still possible to buy a truly dumb TV. HDMI inputs are all I need. Plug in my Apple TV and it's done. When the Apple TV becomes obsolete, I upgrade it instead of replacing the whole TV.

Smart TVs also have security and privacy concerns. Complete, total fail.
I am saying this for years.
Finally, people sees this.

I don't want smart things made by companies other than Apple.
They dont have the expertise to be on the same level as Apple got me used to.

TV brands, please, concentrate in what YOU are good: making good panels, NOTHING MORE.
 
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It will turn on/off now with iOS 13 and tvOS 13 beta when asking Siri. I'd imagine it would also be available for HomePod when it's also updated to version 13.
Do you have to say anything specific to get it to work? Ie do you have to say “turn on the living room TV” or does it work with zones in the same way as HomePod does with lights (what I mean by that is for lights, you just say hey Siri turn on the lights and because the HomePod is in the same room, it works with just that room) so you could just say “Hey Siri, turn on the tv”
 
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