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Does the StarlingHome do local control of the Nest gear, or is it dependent on the Nest Cloud?

I have no idea. I just works. The nest items are still visible in the nest app, but they are all discoverable in HomeKit and I can adjust the thermostats in AppleHome and the features of the smoke detectors (e.g., occupancy detector, alarm sensors) show put too.
Do you have the Eero configured to use HomeKit Secure networking?

Yes, I think so.

Lifx makes some great HomeKit gear, but it is not cheap. They have some very reliable, WiFi-only color changing, or white color temperature changing floods. Their Lifx+ line has a really nice feature: directly controllable IR LEDs. That means you can flood an area with IR for cameras while having the visible light off.

I will need to check them out. Thanks!
 
My HomeKit has never worked, it’s stays stuck on ‘loading accessories and scenes’ and nothing seems to fix it
 
HomeKit is something I was super excited about when it first came out. Then my interest fizzled. I got Schlage HomeKit locks and then software updates bricked the connection. Nothing seems to work 100%. No one I know really uses it. Just never took off around here which is, ironically, Cupertino.
Really depends what you use. If you have one smartphone thing of course you aren’t excited about HomeKit. I’ve never had problems with my august smart lock. Some manufactures seem to have issues with their tech.
 
Meh I tend to lean towards preferring the separate apps if they’re of good quality. The amount of configurability in the Ring app would be hard to apply to the Home app, and they wouldn’t be able to update capabilities the same way.
If I was like you I’d have 8 different apps I’d have to open and turn things on which sounds horrible to me. Having one seperate app for my smart alarm is fine but that’s the whole point of HomeKit.
I want to be able to wake up In the morning walk past my motion sensor and my tv, Receiver, appletv, kitchen lights,
living room lights, fans all turn on without me doing anything. Also, my room stuff automatically turning off in the process of the other things turning on.
I can’t see myself using more than 1 seperate app for things. That’s why I wanted to get things available in HomeKit. The only thing I don’t have in there is the nest stuff. All my smart switches are HomeKit enabled. 40+ lights, fans ect...
we all have different uses but HomeKit is way better than anything you can get google or Alexa wise and I have both of those. Their apps are garbage in comparison. Google home is decently better than an Alexa. Nothing do anything close to what you can do with HomeKit if you get as involved in it as I am.
 
I also have a 3. It disconnects randomly. My WiFi is great. And it is a short, straight line, with no walls to my router. I did all the Ecobee recommended actions to address the issue. Nothing helped. Since it randomly doesn’t work I gave up on HomeKit with Ecobee except as a novelty. I don’t know who is to blame and I love the Ecobee as a thermostat. But I can’t rely on it to work together.
Yeah, that's likely to be a Homekit issue.

My Philips Hue bulbs work perfectly, all the time, when using the Hue app on my phone. About a third of the time I try to run the same scenes via Siri or the Home app, it fails and Siri tells me there was a problem connecting to the devices. As the Hue hub doesn't work with wifi and hence is connected to my router via ethernet, it's not a network issue. Plus, as I say, the Hue app on my phone works 100%.

As I only have Philips Hue home automation stuff, I've stopped using Homekit.
 
Lifx makes some great HomeKit gear, but it is not cheap. They have some very reliable, WiFi-only color changing, or white color temperature changing floods. Their Lifx+ line has a really nice feature: directly controllable IR LEDs. That means you can flood an area with IR for cameras while having the visible light off.

Does anyone know how best to shop for Lifx? Their website is really impressive and the range of products is overwhelming. But I only see bulbs. If I wanted to install flood lights, would I need to find outlets that work wit their bulbs? Do they have local dealers who have contractors who can install their devices?
 
Just a no doubt extremely dumb question: why does HomeKit "Secure" Video require an iCloud account? If the limit is only a few hundred Gbyte or 1 Tbyte, why wasn't the feature written to allow an option of recording that video on a (presumably encrypted, if the Mac is new enough) hard drive for SSDc directly connected to a Mac, for instance?

My one and only Logi Circle camera has been flashed with the Homekit firmware and is no longer discoverable with the LogiCircle iOS software. I am not sure how to control this camera to continuously record video to iCloud. Can anyone here offer me guidance on that feature? I have the Stream & Record settings checked and detect motion. I see a scrub head on my iPhone that has a recording going back to Feb 19, but I don't see the video files in my iCloud. Is it a file I can access only when I tell it to save it to my iCloud?
 
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I’ve looked into the circle view doorbell, but read that it shuts down on hot days in direct sunlight. Any experience with this issue? My door has no shade in the afternoon and faces northwest, so it would be a dealbreaker for me.
I haven't gotten to test it in the summer yet, but my front door is heavily shaded and only gets direct sunlight as the sun rises in the morning. So I don't anticipate having an issue.
 
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Is it a file I can access only when I tell it to save it to my iCloud?
HomeKit Secure Video is not part of your iCloud storage (and does not count against it). If you save items to iCloud, they become standard files, therwise, they live in Apple’s storage and you can only view them through the app.
 
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Just a no doubt extremely dumb question: why does HomeKit "Secure" Video require an iCloud account?
The primary benefit of HomeKit Secure Video is the ability to stream it from anywhere at any time. The easiest way to ensure that works is for it to be stored on Apple’s servers.
If the limit is only a few hundred Gbyte or 1 Tbyte,
There is no limit to how much you can store, only a limit as to how many days it will store the video. Apple limits the number of cameras that it will record based on how much iCloud storage one has, but the recording do not count against your iCloud storage space.
why wasn't the feature written to allow an option of recording that video on a (presumably encrypted, if the Mac is new enough) hard drive for SSDc directly connected to a Mac, for instance?
I would guess they do not do that as it would create a very unstable and brittle system. What happens when the Mac gets turned off (or worse stolen in the break in)? What happens when it runs out of storage? How about the video that does not get recorded while the Macintosh is doing a system update? It would also open another potential security hole for the Macintosh so that the video could be streamed from the machine outside the house. NetAtmo lets you write your video files to Dropbox, among other places, and EufyCams also record to their local storage in addition to HSV.
 
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I haven't had any issues with my meross stuff. Added as an accessory to homekit and it has worked flawlessly - didn't have to switch off my 5g network or do anything with my network. I have plugs, switches, and the garage door opener. Is there something i should check with my current meross stuff before i buy more?
Do you have a meross outdoor plug? That's one of the devices that simply will not work (it will fail, with zero explanation) if you try to pair it to any normal (ie 5GHz is present) WiFi network.
 
I have not used that one, so I cannot comment on its reliability.

I love Ubiquity gear, but I have seen problems with how they handle ZeroConf broadcasts over the mesh. They have acknowledged their are issues, but seem to be unable or unwilling to fix them.

I am sure we have friends in common then. :) Were you there pre-NeXT or post-NeXT?
Mainly pre-NeXT. NeXT acquisition happened toward the end of my tenure, but I don't think we picked up anyone from the NeXT team. I never really got involved with anything NeXT/OSX'ish apart from basics like recompiling with that as a target, nothing involved new OSX and API issues (apart from some quick fiddles to how I used threads in the MPEG decoder, because OSX using POSIX threads had somewhat different semantics from the MacOS 9 Thread Manager).
 
I have not used that one, so I cannot comment on its reliability.

I love Ubiquity gear, but I have seen problems with how they handle ZeroConf broadcasts over the mesh. They have acknowledged their are issues, but seem to be unable or unwilling to fix them.

Failing to work in automations, showing up with status errors on the various iPad HomeKit monitors I have.

Fortunately their move to Thread should make that not a problem. :)

Never saw that message, as I have a dedicated 2.4 GHz SSID for my IoT traffic. I have several of their outdoor switches and they have been quite reliable.

I use their weather station and their cameras and have great experiences with both.

Ubiquity's issues are extremely frustrating. I *suspect* the reason they fail with a Fing box is on their end. But, like you say, they've known of the issue for at least a year (given when I told them) and nothing.
OTOH is there anything else that's overall better? I keep hoping Alien at least gets it right, and that those issues will go away when they release a 6E Alien.

A second problem is that Apple itself seem horribly incompetent. In particular if I use my aTV HD as HomeKit hub, automation is mostly reliable. Not what I would consider acceptable, but failing say 1% of the time. But when the HomePod (older, big, model) is the hub automations fail about 1/3 of the time. I don't believe this is radio related -- the two are in the same room. It feels like HomePod is just using a different (and substantially more buggy) codebase for HomeKit.
Of course Apple, in their infinite wisdom, don't allow one to choose the hub, and since iOS14, HomePod has been the winner. Which means that HomePod has been powered down for quite a few weeks now -- the house just does not function properly if it has control... Every iOS update he gets a day or two to prove that he's competent, and so far he has failed every such test.

I consider things like "having to maintain a separate network [or separate SSID] for IoT" to be unacceptable. Like I said, I have zero tolerance now for this crap. It was cute and interesting when I was in my 20s. Now that I'm retired, if you don't work -- ALL THE TIME, under ALL CONDITIONS, I rate you as garbage. pure and simple.

I have the NetAtmo Indoor Home Air Quality monitor. I bought it specifically for the CO2 measurement (since Eve does fine with general VOCs measurement). And of course the CO2 measurement is completely borked -- it mostly measures zero, then something random happens and it squeals that CO2 levels are dangerously high. That's apart from the fact that, once again, it can't maintain a HomeKit connection longer than a month without having to be rebooted.
 
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Gimme a EU dimmer, I´ve been waiting for years.......
Depending on EXACTLY what you want
- Ikea bulbs come with a dimmer. Works adequately well. Not smart in any way (except that it's using a radio connection).
- Hue bulbs have a companion Phillips dimmer that's 4 smart buttons. I use it as 4 generic smart buttons, but Phillips wants you to use it as a dimmer control for Hue bulbs. It is smart (ie is visible to apps, and can be programmed to do various things).

Both work on the bulbs, not the home current, so they are not EU vs US specific.
 
Do you have a meross outdoor plug? That's one of the devices that simply will not work (it will fail, with zero explanation) if you try to pair it to any normal (ie 5GHz is present) WiFi network.
That is the one I have. It only has 2.4GHz, and it works by pairing with your device and then getting the settings from it. I created a separate IoT SSID only on 2.4GHz, just to prevent this kind of problem (to be clear, I am not arguing it should not work, just explaining how I solved the problem for me). I use the separate IoT SSID for several other benefits, including security and preventing the 802.11n stuff from forcing the network out of 802.11ac.
 
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They replaced them free and the newer version is better.

What gear do you have? My experience was that some of the earliest stuff was problematic, but the most recent stuff is really solid. I prefer it over other options for two reasons: local control and privacy.

I do not want things that depend on someone else running a cloud infrastructure and needs my net connection to be up to work. I also do not like others having access to track me 24/7.
I will admit that my gear is from 2017 or so. I haven’t gotten anything since then because of the bad experiences. At some point, I may give it a shot again...
 
Ubiquity's issues are extremely frustrating. I *suspect* the reason they fail with a Fing box is on their end. But, like you say, they've known of the issue for at least a year (given when I told them) and nothing.
As far as I can tell, they do not do ”bugs”. :) If something works great, if not and it gets fixed in some future release, great. Otherwise, it is what it is.
OTOH is there anything else that's overall better? I keep hoping Alien at least gets it right, and that those issues will go away when they release a 6E Alien.
No, there is nothing better. Lots of things that are different, but not better. I have a UniFi Dream Machine Pro, a few of their 10Gb/s switches and lots of their access points. Before I was able to run fiber to the house next door where my b/f’s office is, I used to mesh the networks using their WiFi. My experience was it was not that reliable. Once I switched to fiber connecting the switches and all the APs directly connected to the Ethernet, things got much better and more reliable.
A second problem is that Apple itself seem horribly incompetent. In particular if I use my aTV HD as HomeKit hub, automation is mostly reliable. Not what I would consider acceptable, but failing say 1% of the time.
I am curious what kind of automations you have. I presume more than time based, but how complex are they?

When they fail, what happens? My single biggest issue with HomeKit is there is not reasonable logging/debugging. I have considered adding a HomeAssistant item to every automation, so at least I could know if they were firing while I was debugging. (I would love an easy way to add automations in Python or Swift, but that is a bigger ask.)
But when the HomePod (older, big, model) is the hub automations fail about 1/3 of the time. I don't believe this is radio related -- the two are in the same room. It feels like HomePod is just using a different (and substantially more buggy) codebase for HomeKit.
Last April, HomePods were switched to tvOS, I would expect they are running exactly the same code. It would not surprise me if the issue were networking based (differences in the WiFi). I know that we have our AppleTVs connected to Ethernet because we found it more reliable. I have had occasional connectivity issues with the HomePods. I wish they had made them PoE powered, so that they could have had Ethernet and just used a PoE injector for people that did not want to plug them in to powered switches. 🙃
Of course Apple, in their infinite wisdom, don't allow one to choose the hub, and since iOS14, HomePod has been the winner. Which means that HomePod has been powered down for quite a few weeks now -- the house just does not function properly if it has control... Every iOS update he gets a day or two to prove that he's competent, and so far he has failed every such test.
Yup, I can see that annoyance. In one Home I have 9 Home Hub capable devices (2 HD AppleTVs, 1 4K AppleTV, 6 HomePods including 2 in a Stereo Pair). It always seems to default to the AppleTV HD in the Master Bedroom.
I consider things like "having to maintain a separate network [or separate SSID] for IoT" to be unacceptable. Like I said, I have zero tolerance now for this crap.
As I said, I do it for several reasons, most of which I would do even if all the gear was 802.11ax and worked on 2.4GHz, 5.8GHz, and the new 6GHz spec. However, I do agree that this stuff should just work, without needing to do it.
It was cute and interesting when I was in my 20s.
It even annoyed me then, that was why I used NeXTSTEP, macOS X and FreeBSD, to avoid those kind of problems. :)
Now that I'm retired, if you don't work -- ALL THE TIME, under ALL CONDITIONS, I rate you as garbage. pure and simple.
That is where we differ. I want my gear to work reliably once it is configured, but I am willing to endure a small amount of pain getting it configured. Mostly because I know my configurations are going to be very different than almost everything they will have tested. (I remember a problem I had with TiVo that took a long time to debug based on a hard limit on the number of boxes on one account that no one even remembered existed as it was the first time it had been encountered in the real world).

Things that have setup issues definitely are rated lower than those without, but I only rate things as garbage that do not work once they are configured.
I have the NetAtmo Indoor Home Air Quality monitor. I bought it specifically for the CO2 measurement (since Eve does fine with general VOCs measurement). And of course the CO2 measurement is completely borked -- it mostly measures zero, then something random happens and it squeals that CO2 levels are dangerously high. That's apart from the fact that, once again, it can't maintain a HomeKit connection longer than a month without having to be rebooted.
I presume you have talked to them about the problems. What was their response? I have found their support people better than average, but that is not a high bar.
 
Mainly pre-NeXT. NeXT acquisition happened toward the end of my tenure, but I don't think we picked up anyone from the NeXT team.
If it was very early, then Steve Perlman would have been one of the people (I know there were others, but I am old now and cannot remember who else from that period). :) At the end it would have been Frank C, and some of those who were involved with the standardization efforts.
I never really got involved with anything NeXT/OSX'ish apart from basics like recompiling with that as a target, nothing involved new OSX and API issues (apart from some quick fiddles to how I used threads in the MPEG decoder, because OSX using POSIX threads had somewhat different semantics from the MacOS 9 Thread Manager).
So you left before Peter G took over all the graphics stuff, and were not involved in the rewrite for macOS X then?
 
HomeKit has been solid for me but Im not using the devices you are. I use my apple as the hub and also my iPad mini as a hub and it never seems to have issues with my devices. The only ones that aren't hard wired are my lifx stuff. The devices I have are Hue, lutron, lifx, ikea smart home home switches and lights, wemo smart switches, ihome smart switches, august smart lock. The only issue I have is with lifx because it doesn't use a hub and I only own the lifx strips with different zones in the same strip. HomeKit doesn't remember the zones within the strip too well. Sometimes it gets it right. All my other things are hard wired to my router. Lutron has its own hub, ikea has its own hub and hue has its own hub.
 
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HomeKit Secure Video is not part of your iCloud storage (and does not count against it). If you save items to iCloud, they become standard files, therwise, they live in Apple’s storage and you can only view them through the app.
Thanks for clearing that up for me.
 
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