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I haven't yet dipped my toes into the pool of voice-assistant small speakers, but was tempted by the HomePod.. probably by the marketing, than any real need!

Now it's delayed until sometime next year, I've looked about and the new Echo is getting good reviews.

I have Amazon Prime, so it's not totally random.

Any real world opinions from people who were previously all-in to the Apple ecosystem?
 
I would go with the new sonos 1 over the echo. you get a much better speaker overall. I find alexa is good for some voice commands siri others. like our new ecobee thermostat on echo is a pain. Alexa ask ecobee to set heat to 67 siri set heat to 67 so both get used. alexa verall for questions and such works better then siri.
 
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I see the HomePod and Amazon echo as completely two separate products really. The echo is more of a smart speaker as where as the HomePod is going to deliver More of home audio experience, aside from just being a smart speaker.

The other product I would consider an alternative to the HomePod would be the Google Max. But for me, I have no issue waiting for the HomePod until it's release.
 
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The way that Amazon are promoting the echo, they will have 40% of the home assistant/speaker market by the start of the new year. Echo commercials and posters are everywhere. Apple have really missed the boat on this one
 
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I prefer Apple products but because of Homepod being delayed + many articles stating that the Siri's AI is way behind Amazon Echo " Alexa ", and Google Home Google Assistant " Ok Google" , I preordered Echo ( 2nd Generation ) which arrived Dec 5 , here in Canada.

Lasted a day as skills advertised not available such as BMO banking and Radioplayer. Skill for SiriusXM did not work with Canadian account but tried to link to USA account. Having product launch not working with skills being advertised is pretty useless.

Security of data seems not to be priority for Amazon or Google. Guess just have too hope Apple updates Siri to compete well with other AI voice assistants.

Dan
 
I prefer Apple products but because of Homepod being delayed + many articles stating that the Siri's AI is way behind Amazon Echo " Alexa ", and Google Home Google Assistant " Ok Google" , I preordered Echo ( 2nd Generation ) which arrived Dec 5 , here in Canada.

Lasted a day as skills advertised not available such as BMO banking and Radioplayer. Skill for SiriusXM did not work with Canadian account but tried to link to USA account. Having product launch not working with skills being advertised is pretty useless.

Security of data seems not to be priority for Amazon or Google. Guess just have too hope Apple updates Siri to compete well with other AI voice assistants.

Dan

In my experience this is and isn't true. It depends on what I'm asking either for or to do. If I ask Siri or Alexa a question that they can't answer or don't answer up to my expectations I'll immediately ask the other one. I bought a Amazon Dot for 30 bucks (still on sale btw) but I have no experience with Google Home unfortunately although I am going to buy one (spiteful Amazon doesn't sell them lol).

Alexa definitely gives the impression of being more intelligent mostly out of necessity. Since it doesn't have a screen Amazon needed to program it to answer most questions and not rely on a web search since it can't display anything (prior to the Echo Show anyway). I think we will see this with the HomePod over time. However if you have an Alexa, cross reference her responses and you'll find many/some are generic answers. I can't ask Alexa right now to see if its been updated since people are sleeping but when asked "what is the distance from the earth to the moon" she would give an average but not say it was an average. Siri gives the current distance (Wolfram Alpha) which varies ~30,000 miles over the course of a year. Probably not important information to most people and a average is all they really wanted however IMO that info its vital because people take what a computer tells them as FACT. Plus it goes back to intelligence or at least the impression of it, giving an answer, any answer makes you look much more intelligent vs saying "I'll search the web for you".

Alexa also feels more human like because you can download apps for it like Insult-a-bot. So she will make fun of you and your friends and it can natively tell jokes (even some decent Chuck Norris jokes I've never heard before). Stuff like that gives it more of human feel than a computer feel Siri has. Alexa's open source nature makes it possibilities limitless really. Apples closed ecosystem makes that sort of functionality pretty much impossible.

However while on the surface Apples closed ecosystem system gives the impression it will handicap the HomePod it also opens the possibility to make it very powerful. I'm just winging things off the top of my head because I don't know the HomePods capabilities but like with the Apple Watch the HomePod could be able to "hand-off" data to other devices. For example if you asked a question that has a generic answer it could also send the Wolfram Alpha data to an iPhone, iPad, or AppleTV for the visual. And since Apple tightly controls their ecosystem and has the lowest levels of hardware access easily available (like an Apple Watch unlocking a Mac, or locating an iCloud device) the possibilities how their devices can interact with each other are only really limited by the technologies they use.

I have a Amazon Dot now and I'm holding out for the HomePod because I'm just curious of how it can/will be used. Like mentioned I don't find them to be competing devices because Siri...Alexa...Google...who cares? Most of their answers are coming from the same place. However I think HomePod will stand out in sound quality and have low level hardware functionality within Apples eco system while maintaining a higher level of security for home automation.

And you are right, security of data isn't even in the same ballpark as Apples HomeKit. Apple uses their own wireless protocol HAP (HomeKit Accessory Protocol) which uses levels of security that are WAY over the top, at least by todays standards. When I hear of other devices sending information to China, Russia and/or "others" (hackers in China or Russia lol) it makes the premium I paid for HomeKit devices seem WELL worth it, if nothing else but for the peace of mind. Privacy is even worse although it should be well known by now Amazon is trying to sell us products, and Google is trying to sell us as a products. Not that Apple is a saint but they aren't in position to profit as much from invading your privacy and currently find it more profitable to maintain your privacy.
 
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Still waiting for the Homepod, i bought a Google Home mini for 40$ and I actually really like it. It's not compatible with Apple, but if you have a smart home i recommend you to get one for 40$. I have Philips HUE lighting and iHome smart plugs, which are compatible with the Google Home mini. I can ask Google to turn on and off the lights, or I still can control them with my iPhone or Philips remotes. In the morning you just have to say "Ok Google hi !" then it gives you the actual weather and the weather coming for the day, the news, etc. You can set some scenes like in Homekit, so when i say "Ok Google bye bye" all the lights turns off. You can also use it as a bluetooth speaker, so i linked it with my Apple TV.

For now i really like the google home, but i cant wait to see what the Homepod will bring to us
 
As cynics stated " However I think HomePod will stand out in sound quality and have low level hardware functionality within Apples eco system while maintaining a higher level of security for home automation. "
I will wait for the Homepod or use iPad.

May consider Google Mini to use with Logitech Hub to operate my McIntosh stereo system but when not using stereo will have mic switched off unless Homekit is added by Logitech.
 
I say go for Alexa on sonos. I got that setup and am pretty happy. Right now I use Siri on my phone and dislike it. I use Alexa at home and have a better experience. There is some serious work that needs to be done on Siri to catch up.
 
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I think that Siri’s shortcomings are the reason for the HomePod delay. I think that Apple realize that as well as having a good quality speaker they need to compete in the Virtual assistant market and are ramping up huge improvements in Siri to do more than just set reminders and appointments
 
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Still waiting for the Homepod, i bought a Google Home mini for 40$ and I actually really like it. It's not compatible with Apple, but if you have a smart home i recommend you to get one for 40$. I have Philips HUE lighting and iHome smart plugs, which are compatible with the Google Home mini. I can ask Google to turn on and off the lights, or I still can control them with my iPhone or Philips remotes. In the morning you just have to say "Ok Google hi !" then it gives you the actual weather and the weather coming for the day, the news, etc. You can set some scenes like in Homekit, so when i say "Ok Google bye bye" all the lights turns off. You can also use it as a bluetooth speaker, so i linked it with my Apple TV.

For now i really like the google home, but i cant wait to see what the Homepod will bring to us


I bought a google home originally with half an eye to getting a HomePod later but google is so much better than Siri. Like you I love saying ok google what’s happening and getting the news. It actually switches to the bbc rather than the device voice.

And it just answers things back where Siri on my phone just says googles stuff and brings it up on my iPhone. If I wanted that I’d do it myself.

It’s made me think more about the Apple ecosystem. For example I’m paying Apple to store my photos and iTunes Match for my music. Google will do it for free.
 
I have debated on playing with google home but it won't control as many things as alba and wont do sonos at all.
 
We are an Apple household with 3 ATVs, iMac, Macbook, iPads, iPhones....and slowly we've narrowed it down to just a few outside devices: a Google Home and 2 sound bars (connected to TV/ATV) that have Chromecast built in. Chromecast is VERY nice and the Google Assistant is also really nice. The Google Home was NOT great at first though, I got one right when they came out. It had a lot of small problems at first (not listing off all things on calendar, for instance)...but luckily Google has really been on top of adding features and updating. When Apple announced the HomePod and Airplay 2, I was really thinking this was IT! Finally we could be a 100% Apple household...but I was leery since using Google Assistant is pretty nice, Siri has been lacking in a lot of the AI features. I also think this is the reason for the delay on HomePod and I'm hoping for some spacial awareness AI built in too, something to REALLY set it apart from the others. This is Apple afterall, we're paying a premium for the quality that is hard to find elsewhere, am I right?

In the interim I ALMOST sold my Google Home and went with a SONOS ONE, since its rumored to have Google Assistant and some sort of Apple Music support in the future...but at that point I figured since I'm just WAITING for new features, might as well just wait for the HomePod altogether and not have to teach the family to learn a new home assistant with Alexa.
 
I decided to go with Google Home. Bought a Mini and a Home over Black Friday and haven’t regretted it one bit.

Lost opportunity for Apple by delaying the Homepod if you ask me.
 
Lost opportunity for Apple by delaying the Homepod if you ask me.

Delaying it avoided the embarrassment of getting crushed in sales volume by Google and Amazon due to their lower price points, and also buys more time to improve Siri. It's too bad Apple couldn't have gotten a "HomePod mini" out in time for the holidays. Without a sub-$50 voice controller, HomeKit is really going to lose market share. I haven't touched my thermostat since I bought an Echo and a few Dots, and I wouldn't consider smart lighting that's not compatible with the Echo.
 
I say go for Alexa on sonos. I got that setup and am pretty happy. Right now I use Siri on my phone and dislike it. I use Alexa at home and have a better experience. There is some serious work that needs to be done on Siri to catch up.
And Siri and Airplay 2 will also be coming to the Sonos One in 2018 and also Google Home.

I've just bought a One. How do you find it works with ios?
 
And Siri and Airplay 2 will also be coming to the Sonos One in 2018 and also Google Home.

I've just bought a One. How do you find it works with ios?
I too got a Sonos One and the iOS app works just fine. Once they get the assistant software fixed for Alexa they will have a winner. My lighting automation works well but some commands for music and other skills are broke.
 
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I wil probably buy the HomePod but i pulled the trigger on the Echo Show today because i wanted a virtual assistant and home automation.
Having read many reviews on the various options, I took the plunge and bought the Echo Show in black as the price was slashed by £70. I set it up with no issues and one hour later, all i could say is "Wow. What a piece of kit this is". In the first hour, i mastered the basic commands, set up skills to control my car, my lighting, my security camera and i have ordered Dominos Pizza.
Sound quality is surprisingly good and being an Amazon Prime Member, video and music selection is painless.
Yes I have Apple Music and yes I will probably still buy a HomePod but my Echo will more than remain a valued assistant around the home and I shall shortly order some additional echo dots from Amazon to scatter around the house....via my Echo Show naturally.
Echos seems to be selling out fast all over the UK and i can see why. If Apple intend for Siri to compete in this market, they have got a lot of catching up to do
 
I too got a Sonos One and the iOS app works just fine. Once they get the assistant software fixed for Alexa they will have a winner. My lighting automation works well but some commands for music and other skills are broke.
Thanks mate. I'm in need of some confidence for this product.

What radio app are you using? And what method to play itunes music from your iPhone? Please tell me it's all touch free.
 
Thanks mate. I'm in need of some confidence for this product.

What radio app are you using? And what method to play itunes music from your iPhone? Please tell me it's all touch free.
I use TuneIn and iHeart Radio. I also have Apple Music which requires you to start it from the Sonos app, but then commands like Skip, Rewind, etc. can be done via voice.
 
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I use TuneIn and iHeart Radio. I also have Apple Music which requires you to start it from the Sonos app, but then commands like Skip, Rewind, etc. can be done via voice.
Brilliant. So it's just a matter of saying for example "alexa play Absolute radio" and that station will play?
 
You probably have to say what station; like "Alexa play Taylor Swift station on iHeartRadio"
Plus what speaker to play it on. well Guess the one with built in alexa would not need the speaker name but if you have separate alexas and more then one speaker you do.
 
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Apple hasn't said they plan to offer a 'puck' much like Google Mini or Echo Dot (or whatever they call it). This is important to this ecosystem. You don't need full blown speakers everywhere when a simple always on puck will work.
 
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