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The A8 processor is going to allow Apple to do so much with this. I imagine that it'll neatly manage Facetime Audio and other VOIP services (since they're part of SiriKit) .

I've got my answer on rebroadcasting and it's great news. Now we need to know minor details like is bluetooth included? Can we access local music/video files via home sharing. How are multiple users managed?

Usually once a product that releases like this, there are a lot of unannounced hidden features that users will find. That's what makes products like these interesting. Similar to the Airpods.

Also, I think the biggest challenge will be actually getting one of these in my hands. Factoring the demand and the Holiday season, the HomePod will be in huge demand.
 
why would anyone put more than one of these in the same room? as a speaker, ok, but the smart functionality of it? total waste of money to have two or more....

I would assume most people who buy two buy them for separate rooms, but perhaps bring them into a single room for special events (aka parties). Or maybe not, since the benefits of stereo separation tend to go away entirely in a party situation (too much other noise). Maybe they bring them in one room when they really want that atmospheric buzz.

In any case, these are not pieces which get "installed". Or rather, "installing" one is a thirty-second procedure involving plugging it in and letting it literally sound out the room. They can be moved from room to room.
 
People gotta stop comparing this with amazon echo and google home.

This is a clear competitor to SONOS, which should've integrated with alexa a year ago. And if previous apple ecosystem integration is something to go on (airpods, iphone and macs, and how everything 'apple' just works together seamlessly), its gonna blow it out of the water.

its a sad day for my sonos tv and speaker setup, but looking forward to how this will integrate with my iPhone, iMac, and apple tv
 
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I'm looking forward to hearing this the HomePod. I could easily see purchasing one if the sound is as good as advertised by Apple.
 
Bottom line: several people are suggesting that these CAN replace speakers in a good stereo or even home theater setup. The implication is buy one for the left and one for the right and they'll outperform classic speakers set up that way by working together. I can't absolutely refute that suggestion but I don't automatically buy it either... until someone can offer definitive information that "compliment" means that.
Not sure how that can be possible for several reasons. The first is that a Home Theater setup typically has a 5.1 configuration, at minimum. You can't replace a large subwoofer with the tiny one in these things. Most receivers already do room correction using Audyssey, so Apple doesn't get an advantage there, either. They can also handle formats like DD5.1, DTS, DTS HD, etc..

The other main issue is the lack of inputs. How will you feed this a signal from anything but an AppleTV in an entertainment system? How would it switch HDMI sources? Personally, I don't see this in the same neighborhood as a receiver with speakers and a sub. That isn't to say I don't think it will have a place for some people.

To be honest, I was hoping for something more like a blend of the Airport Express and Amazon Dot. However, I think this would be nice in a kitchen or bathroom if you mainly use Apple Music and don't mind giving up some of the Alexa skills. Personally, I find the Echo Dot more useful for my needs.
 
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Fabric exterior?? This'll look FILTHY in a week.

Good luck getting the dust out of all those nooks and crannies. One more thing to vacuum, I guess...
 
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exclusively Apple Music? Ouch. i use spotify. Guess my Echo is not going anywhere.

EDIT: they may have meant strictly for this demo


I think there are going to be a lot of limitations at first, but i'm sure Apple is planning a lot of software enhancements. I think we will see dramatic improvements over the first couple of years after release. I expect Siri and Apple ecosystem integration to see a rapid rate of improvement, as well as Apple's support for third party apps.
 
For $350 you can get some really really great speakers and hookup a $40 Echo Dot to enable smart functionality, plus stream Amazon Music, Spotify, Pandora, Etc.. I don't really understand the market for this.

Also, a 4"in driver cannot be a sub-woofer, it's just against physics. It may be tuned to produce a lot of mid-bass but there is no way that little driver produces true bass notes.

The 4" driver is listed as "High-excursion woofer" (not "sub-woofer"). Size of speaker doesn't necessarily dictate frequency response, but to get better bass response with higher volumes with a smaller cone you need to have more excursion and generally spend more on the components. So it seems they are at least playing the parameters to fit that small cone in.

Obviously bass response is not itself dictated by size, or you'd get nothing but high frequencies out of a pair of headphones.
 
You're missing the point entirely. It's all about the sound first and the Siri, etc. second. And for that reason, it'll be a winner.

I got the same impression. It's not about Siri, but a lot of people here think it is. It seems to me that Siri is mostly being used to drive the interface and any additional functionality it provides by way of smart assistant functionality is just value added. Amazon's bet is that people want a smart assistant in every room. Apple's bet is that people want to have their music available in every room combined with a little extra streamed programming.

And they're not aiming for inconsolable audiophiles. Nobody is even suggesting that this is anything on par to a 5.1 Martin Logan Electro Stat. Even if it were, no audiophile would ever admit to it nor be caught dead with this.
 
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Facetime Audio should be supported directly on the device
Really? That's nice actually because FTA quality is leagues better than standard over the tower calls. Damn Apple is really locking this down into the ecosystem.
 
The 4" driver is listed as "High-excursion woofer" (not "sub-woofer"). Size of speaker doesn't necessarily dictate frequency response, but to get better bass response with higher volumes with a smaller cone you need to have more excursion and generally spend more on the components. So it seems they are at least playing the parameters to fit that small cone in.

Obviously bass response is not itself dictated by size, or you'd get nothing but high frequencies out of a pair of headphones.
Yes, but lack of bass is the main complaint about headphones. You hear bass, but you don't feel it. Some serious headphone users actually run a sub with their setups while wearing headphones to get that feeling back.
 
Apple has done a remarkably good job.But the price is a bit high!

Echo, $180, good Alexa, kitchen radio sound. Apple, really good sound, improved Siri, $340. I'd say the value given is worth it. Sonos, no Siri, no Airplay, good sound, $600.
 
I have a five channel Martin Logan Electro Static System plus a subwoofer....this is fine for teens but it will never replace a truly high fidelity system.

How big a company is Martin Logan? Are they still in business? Bankruptcies in big audio very frequent. There's only the "I can afford anything" crowd to divvy up, and it's not too big.
 
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Really? That's nice actually because FTA quality is leagues better than standard over the tower calls. Damn Apple is really locking this down into the ecosystem.

I know I can't wait myself to hands free call other people with a Siri enabled speaker. It'll be interesting to see what other nice features Apple can bring because they have a strong processor in each HomePod
 
Yea, it explains why Apple pulled the Audio jack out of their flagship device to embrace and encourage a wireless(Bluetooth) future :rolleyes:

This and the phone will coexist on the WiFi network. Bet it has ac! Way more bandwidth. Bluetooth is pinched.
 
I do too.

From the Sonos sub, to several 3s as rear speakers to the Connect in the basement and the 1s in my bedroom.

I had read that Sonos was building an API for the "smart" speakers - Google, Amazon and eventually Apple to connect to an existing Sonos network of speakers. Clearly Apple's play to have fewer speakers and no dedicated soundbar or sub. Will Apple take a scorched Earth approach or do you think they enable their speaker to integrate into Sonos with Siri voice commands?

Interesting you should ask that as I was just pondering this. I think the logical conclusion that I've come to with these types of hardware is that, to a degree, they need to be cross-compatible with other brands, service offerings, and other similar hardware. First, you have the cost to switch that falls on the consumer. If you're the first-mover or an early entrant into the market, no problem with "switching" costs to your customers. But if you're late to the game, you're trying to get people like me that already have a setup to buy into your product as well. That's going to be a tough sell if it doesn't work with my existing setup. For example, most of us who spent thousands on our sonos stuff won't be picking up one of these anytime soon.

Then they have to consider the service offerings. This was an interesting point of contention with the Apple TV, I believe. For a while, Apple and Amazon weren't friends and there was no Amazon Prime streaming app for the Apple TV. I may be incorrect in my recollection of that all played out, but if I recall... it was really just a necessary business move between the two and the result was that I kept my prime account but didn't buy an Apple TV (my kid watches stuff on Prime a lot).

It'll be interesting to see if and to what extent most of these newer devices and offerings integrate.
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I just said it. People who went to the demo have been able to compare it with a Play 1 and have said it sounds slightly better than a Play 1, but the fact is you can get TWO Play 1s for the price of one Homepod OR a Play 3 which has far superior sound quality the Homepod can't compete with. So at the demo, it was misleading of Apple to compare it with a Play 1, they should've compared it with a Play 3 or a stereo pair of Play 1s.

Truth. How is cost not a factor in this comparison? Play:1's were recently $150ea. How are you going to compare a $350 speaker to a $150 speaker?

Gee, wonder how it compares to the new Anker Bluetooth speaker that is water resistant and selling for $34? If we are comparing to something 1/2 the price, why not something ~1/10 of the price?

...I haven't even heard the thing yet but I'd say a more fair comparison would be a Play:3 or, like I said my favorite, a pair of Play:1's. How does the new Apple speaker compare to a Stereo pair of Play:1's and a steak dinner? Cause that's what I could get for the same money.
 
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For Stereo effect, I imagine.

Even one of them has dimensionality. Buy a second one, it becomes stereo with very dimensional sound. You ought to learn about beam-forming. You can buy a single speaker that gives you Dolby Atmos, at least in a simulation. Not saying this does that, I don't know, but beam-forming is why. When a speaker understands the room it's in, and are able to use beam-forming for location, it's pretty great; the best news of all is it's driven by an A8 (or is it A9) chip?
 
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