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How much separation between tweeters is there when you listen to headphones? Those seem to produce very effective stereo sound. So a speaker that has seven tweeters arranged in a circle with an SoC controlling audio beamforming will also be able to produce effective stereo sound.

The principles are different. Here's a quote from Sound on Sound:

The way in which our ears interpret sounds from loudspeakers is inherently very different to that from simple headphones. Stereophony is an auditory illusion — much as watching 25 still pictures each second in rapid succession creates the visual illusion of naturally moving images. When listening to a loudspeaker, its direct sound inherently arrives at both ears, and if the speaker is positioned off to one side (consider the left-hand speaker in a stereo pair, for example), then its sound will reach the closer ear slightly earlier than it reaches the more distant one. The fixed time-of-arrival differences for each ear combine with the variable amplitude differences encoded between the channels of the stereo audio material, and fool our sense of hearing into perceiving different time-of-arrival information for each reproduced sound, and thus discrete directions.

Headphone listening works in a very different way. When wearing headphones, each ear can only hear the sound from its own earpiece — there is no natural way in which the sound from the left earpiece can reach the right ear, for example. As a result, the recorded amplitude differences between the left and right channels don't create the required time-of-arrival differences. The consequence is that most of us perceive sounds coming from inside our heads, spaced roughly on a line running from ear to ear.


But it should be possible to create a good stereo-like effect with the HomePod. Time will tell how well it works.
 
And the faux stereo reproduction will likely do a good job of simulating more separation than physically there... just like soundbars attempt to do as good as they can.

Faux stereo? Were boomboxes faux stereo? It's not that hard to reproduce the stereo separation of headphones with physical speakers, and they don't have to be that far apart or in separate pieces of hardware. The beamforming aspect of the HomePod would only make it that much easier to get stereo sound out of a more compact unit.
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The principles are different.

But they're both stereo. There's no question that the stereo effects of certain sounds/instruments coming from the middle and others coming from left or right or moving from side to side is easily possible with either headphones or speakers.
 
A $350 speaker sounds better than a $130 speaker?

Practically Magic.

Where are you buying your Sonos Play:3 from for $130?

That fact that the HomePod keeps up with the Sonos Play:3 in a similar price bracket is real headline.

Of course it beats the pants off the Echo - just like the iPhone is/was better than the Fire Phone, the iPad beat out the Fire Tablet. You pay more for the materials, quality, integration etc.
 
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Don't you think if that functionally was there, they would have touted it? That would be a BIG deal... too big to ignore in a "just one more thing" rollout of a brand new product. Earlier in the presentation, there were repeating highlights of fine nits differences. Don't you think that if these things synched with each other to work together as you imply, there would have been some reference to it?
They did talk about two of them working together. And here is what it says on the website:

Combine two in one room.
Put another HomePod in the same room, and the two automatically detect and balance each other — for sound that’s even more lifelike.
 
If it doesn't make and receive phone calls, it's the stupidest thing Apple has ever done.

Newton
a few anemic Macs in the 80s
Hockey Puck mouse
Licensing out Mac osx for a while
Firing Steve Jobs
Ping
5400 rpm hard drives in 2017
removing ports
removing earphone jack

and the list goes on.................
...and they are still at it and I am sure there will be more to come:

touchbar

to be continued

As for these speakers, at least I am interested, but unlike the naysayers, I prefer to test them when available, read reviews and then decide, instead of bashing a product sight unseen.
 
We've been here before ...

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Faux stereo? Were boomboxes faux stereo? It's not that hard to reproduce the stereo separation of headphones with physical speakers, and they don't have to be that far apart or in separate pieces of hardware. The beamforming aspect of the HomePod would only make it that much easier to get stereo sound out of a more compact unit.

Again believe what you wish. I'm not trying to convince you to believe anything else... just admitting that you're not convincing me to believe some of what you are writing either. Enjoy your exceptional stereo listening experience.
 
Not sure if you're joking and I'm missing it but Solar Energy for a living room speaker? unless you live in cardboard box with no roof :D

Just joking. All speakers need power so I thought it was wierd. I see now it was a reference to a possible battery.
 
They did talk about two of them working together. And here is what it says on the website:

Yes but did they say, spin or write that they would behave like dedicated stereo speakers? I suspect that is more likely about synching music so that one is not a bit ahead or behind the other in playback (a very nice benefit of Sonos). We'll see independent reviews soon enough where they are put through their paces. And it will be amazing/magical/wonderful if tiny $349 speakers can basically replace all AV speakers for all purposes as some seem to be implying in this thread.
 
airpods all over again...
people before purchase ..meeh too expensive they look weird
people after purchase...best, i love them, my new toy, apple magical experience

Same with nearly every Apple product. Something strange going on here. Don't understand why initial criticism isn't consistent after product use.
 
Yikes. While there is some technical truth to your spin, you might want to explore the concept of stereo separation. One could jam 5 tweeters into a smallish subwoofer box but that won't make it a "5.1 surround sound system" (in practice)... unless perhaps you are Ant-Man and can shrink yourself into the middle of all of that. Yes, conceptually, one could spin it as a 5.1 system in a box (not so different than how some bars spin faux surround as if it is equivalent to real surround) but let's get real here: stereo as it's intended to be appreciated begs for more speaker separation than a few inches in a single container.
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It's very surprising to see many comments coming from people who don't have much understanding about speaker separation, difference between tweeter, woofer etc., or for that matter wound range. If anybody thinks that one 4" woofer and 5 or 7 tweeter would produce stereo sound, I don't even know what to say.
 
While I'm not interested in purchasing a HomePod, Google Home or Amazon Echo anytime soon. I would be more inclined to purchase the latter two devices based on their more attractive price points. Regardless of the "incredible audio" that the HomePod puts out, I still feel that it's grossly overpriced.
 
What would make the price more reasonable was a "free" multiyear subscription to Apple music
I can afford it but my limit was $ 250 (at that price, I would have bought 2 sight unseen)
 
+100

It's very surprising to see many comments coming from people who don't have much understanding about speaker separation, difference between tweeter, woofer etc., or for that matter wound range. If anybody thinks that one 4" woofer and 5 or 7 tweeter would produce stereo sound, I don't even know what to say.

Look through the thread. Apparently some think this is a single speaker to replace them all. All the major speaker companies should apparently be closing up shop and laying off their workers today. Maybe movie theaters and IMAX can jettison all of their speakers and just put one of these down under the screen up front?

This is a dazzling thread.
 
Mashable
was ultimately left impressed with HomePod, calling it a "very good speaker" and looking forward to testing it more as December grows nearer.

...which is surprising for Mashable, because they have historically been a very Windows-leaning publication.
 
How much separation between tweeters is there when you listen to headphones? Those seem to produce very effective stereo sound. So a speaker that has seven tweeters arranged in a circle with an SoC controlling audio beamforming will also be able to produce effective stereo sound.
Stereo means distinct left and right channels, which will need to stay the same left and right throughout the musical track playing.
Now think about that, how does the HomePod know which way is left and which way is right? Even if it would play the left channel from one side and the right from the other - how would it know where I am listening and that I'm not in front of one of the channels perhaps?

So no, there is no stereo sound from the HomePod, just faux stereo. Or virtual stereo. But not real stereo.
 
For $350 you can get some really really great speakers and hookup a $40 Echo Dot to enable smart functionality, plus stream Amazon Music, Spotify, Pandora, Etc.. I don't really understand the market for this.

Also, a 4"in driver cannot be a sub-woofer, it's just against physics. It may be tuned to produce a lot of mid-bass but there is no way that little driver produces true bass notes.

Or for $350, you can get a really great and compact speaker that will fit virtually anywhere, adapting to its environment for optimal sound, with only one cord to plug in, with smart functionality already built in. Most people I know like to stick to one music service. For me, that is Apple Music, and I'm part of a quickly-growing user base.

Also, they never claimed that it has a subwoofer. Most music does not require a subwoofer anyway. In fact, I prefer listening to music without a subwoofer because it can unnaturally muddy it up (I listen to lots of acoustic stuff).
 
I actually don't think it is overpriced, because Sonos or B&O are priced in the same range with (supposedly) similar sound qualities.

I'm just a bit disappointed about the lack of "echo" like home assistant quality. This really feels more like a cool speaker with some siri attached to it.
 
Of course it beats the pants off the Echo - just like the iPhone is/was better than the Fire Phone, the iPad beat out the Fire Tablet. You pay more for the materials, quality, integration etc.

For Audio, the HomePod does not beat the pants off the $39 Echo Dot, which can be plugged into far better speakers than the HomePod.

As a smart speaker, Apple is FAR behind. For the cost of two HomePods you can put a Echo Show in your kitchen, put Echos in a few bedrooms, plug a dot into your existing surround sound stereo, and scatter echo dots wherever else you want. Amazon will figure out whole-house audio soon enough. Amazon's decision to open Alexa for others to integrate will result in a much larger device ecosystem than what will be available for HomeKit.
 
+100

It's very surprising to see many comments coming from people who don't have much understanding about speaker separation, difference between tweeter, woofer etc., or for that matter wound range. If anybody thinks that one 4" woofer and 5 or 7 tweeter would produce stereo sound, I don't even know what to say.

I think its more about how this speaker is leveraging its tech to use the room its in to its advantage. By using the 360 degree nature of its design with its complex mic array and decent CPU, it should be able to punch above its weight, and apparently it's working judging by these first impressions. It's not going to beat thousands of dollars of separate AV equipment but it could definitely fill a room with comparable sound to some stereo setups, and might even beat some of them. Combine two and you could be looking at a pretty good setup, especially from a usability standpoint. These things are going to be always on and ready to go, just like AirPods.
 
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Looking forward to hearing the homepod for myself, but we should always take manufacturer delivered comparisons with a pinch of salt. Who knows how the echo and sonos speakers were set up? As others have said, trueplay makes a big difference on the sonos products that support it. It's also easy to make one speaker sound a little brighter and fuller than others simply through different volume and tone adjustments than the others on display.
 
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I predict this thing is going to be slightly more successful than the Nexus Q. That is to say, not successful at all.

By Apple's own numbers yesterday, 500 million unique Apple IDs connect to the App Store every week. So, confirmation that there are over half a billion active Apple IDs. Of those, 27 million subscribe to Apple Music, allegedly. That's slightly over 5% (Um, what about the other 473 million of us Apple? Don't we get a cool new way to access OUR music libraries?). Of those I'd guess most already have bluetooth speakers, Sonos speakers, Echo/Home, or a home hi-fi connected to airplay or a good old fashioned audio jack.

Methinks the potential potential market for these is very, very small. And within that market, the people who will actually cough-up $350 for a one-trick pony is miniscule.

I really have no idea why Apple even came to market with this product and they stopped making useful things like routers.
 
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