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I'd imagine it must do - although I guess if you have Apple Music, unless you're playing something a bit specialised, anything in your library will almost certainly be in Apple Music anyway. Although I guess things like bootleg CDs spring to mind as things that would be in my library but not in Apple Music.

I have loads of CD's going back to the 90's which I've put on my iTunes playlist. I also have no intention of subscribIng to apply music. I mean the homepod is expensive enough without having to splash out another £120 per year!
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From what I understand you can play music that you have purchased from iTunes.
What about music I've uploaded to itunes fromy heaps of CD'S?
 
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Some earlier quotes imply that ripped music is NOT accessible, suggesting only music purchased from iTunes or accessible via an AM subscription is playable on HomePod.

That is not explicitly stated in Apple Marketing (why focus on a perceptual negative?) so that may not be the case. But do note that :apple:TV can't "Hey Siri" see videos we've ripped in Siri searches, so it's also not a big stretch to imagine HomePod may be blind to ripped CD music, though I find that almost unbelievable if it pans out. I can barely believe $349 locked only to AM (excluding Spotify, etc) but will be further shocked if HomePod is even blind to the iTunes music libraries NOT purchased from iTunes or via AM subscription.
Thanks mate. Wish I'd read your reply before asking further questions.

I'll be darned surprised if we're tied into Apple Music and Apple purchases only. That would truly be Apple taking the piddle!!! So much so, that put of principle I'd probably jump ship elsewhere.
 
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We just don't know for sure yet on this topic. It seems very un-Apple-like if it pans out that only AM subscriptions + only music purchased from iTunes Store can be played on HomePod. Excluding CD rips seems like a decision even the new Apple would NOT make.

If true, the Match thing seems likely to be a workaround, as I would think indexed CD rips via Match probably becomes playable on HomePod. BUT, Match doesn't match everything. And wouldn't it be unfortunate if Matched music must stream down from iTunes servers even if the original- perhaps better quality copy- is sitting on your hard drive within the same home?

All this is TBD though. Stand by. Objective reviewers will be able to post their reviews soon. Outstanding questions should become tested facts soon.
 
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I am an Apple loyalist but the trend of Apple releasing products lately that aren't completely finished is wearing thin.

Please.

More like take your Apple shades off. Amazon and Google do the same thing. Even the Amazon Tap didn't have Handsfree mode for almost a year.
 
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We just don't know for sure yet on this topic. It seems very un-Apple-like if it pans out that only AM subscriptions + only music purchased from iTunes Store can be played on HomePod. Excluding CD rips seems like a decision even the new Apple would NOT make.

If true, the Match thing seems likely to be a workaround, as I would think indexed CD rips via Match probably becomes playable on HomePod. BUT, Match doesn't match everything. And wouldn't it be unfortunate if Matched music must stream down from iTunes servers even if the original- perhaps better quality copy- is sitting on your hard drive within the same home?

All this is TBD though. Stand by. Objective reviewers will be able to post their reviews soon. Outstanding questions should become tested facts soon.
Have no interest whatsoever of subscribing to AppleMusic.
But I can't believe that HomePod won't play own ripped music.
Well, we'll see.

Won't jump on the HomePod train just yet anyway.
 
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I have a full 7.1 surround setup at home, and while I love it, I don't like the fact it takes over my lounge. With the homepod being a sonos competitor, is it safe to assume this includes the home theatre setup too? While it won't sound as good, it would be awesome to have a wireless surround system that sounds good, and actually it may even fill my room better due to it sending sound off in all directions.

Only issue I can see with this is whether or not the Apple TV can ARC the sound to other devices connected to the TV.
So you are asking what plans Apple has for the HomePod, are you? Do you have an Apple Security ID? No? Then they won’t tell you.

Since HomePod is being released without some of its basic promised features, which they also didn’t tell you would be missing even though they knew for months, don’t expect them to tell you what future features will be or when any upgrades will be available.

I don’t think that Apple meant to defraud people with their battery fix for older iPhones, I think their desire for secrecy and control led them to make a massively stupid PR move, and how they are handling the HomePod release and lack of details seems to be along those same lines.
 
Define "true stereo". As an audio engineer, I'd love to hear your technical explanation.
Ay, there’s the rub. Apple has avoided calling it stereo, while hinting that it will sound like stereo to your ears (which is what matters more than any technical explanation).

What Apple has said is that two HomePods working together will sound better than one, and better than a traditional stereo pair.
 
Yes, there are technological tricks creating faux stereo or even faux surround. Bounce "beamed" audio off a right wall and bounce another "beam" of audio off a left wall and you can faux it, perhaps even reasonably fooling ears into perceiving something that sounds more like stereo. See Soundbars for example- where left, center and right audio might be as close together as 3 feet. Some Soundbars will even claim surround sound with no surrounding (rear) speakers through such faux surround technical trickery/magic.

Stereo, at its heart, is a phenomenological experience. Let's do a little thought experiment. Say you had one object that was able to exactly mimic the experience of sound coming from two discrete sources. You have one or more measuring devices to record whatever sonic characteristics interest you, and they come back the same in both cases. Is it no longer stereo because it came from one device even if the experienced product is the same?

So what does "true" surround mean? If you experience discrete sounds in a 3D space, does it matter how how the sound waves were generated or from how many sources? If your brain registers a sound coming from behind you, does it matter whether it's because of a speaker or because of sound reflected off of the wall if the experience is the same?

In theory at least, beam-forming is so different from traditional speaker technology that it's unhelpful to compare them in the same way. With beam-forming, the whole room in essence becomes part of the speaker. Reflection of sound of surfaces isn't a bug that has to be dealt with, it's an essential part of how the sound is delivered.

All that said, Apple isn't trying to re-create the experience of of listening to left and right channels to generate placement of sound in space. They're actually analyzing the signal itself to pick out different sounds and re-assemble them. It's even very different from concepts such as Dolby Surround. It's unique from other sound reproduction available through consumer products. I'm not saying it's better, we'll have to wait and see how it performs. They do provide the option of pairing two speakers to create an even larger soundstage and play with both channels. But until we hear the speakers themselves in both configurations, we can't comment on the quality. I wouldn't surprised if a single HomePod is a much better experience than cheap two-speaker solutions, with clearer and larger soundstages, but it's still not going to be able to compete high-end systems. Regardless, a single HomePod is NOT going to sound like a single traditional speaker.

But I think it's important to allow ourselves to re-think our concepts of sound and music generation. For the longest time our gold standard of music in the home has been the two-speaker systems as that's what was feasible given our technological limitations. That doesn't mean the two-speaker system is the final word and will always be the best method of generating an immersive music experience. I'm not at all saying that the HomePod is that device. Most of us haven't heard it and can't yet comment about its performance, and I doubt that a first-gen product to use beam-forming for audio is going to topple the existing music space. But I do think it has a very bright future ahead of it, and I wouldn't be surprised if future one- or two-speaker beam forming systems end up performing as well or better than many of the multi-speaker solutions in the consumer space.
 
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I genuinely thought Apple had delayed this thing to bump up some features on it. I even held my breath in anticipation for more news. I even considered selling my Sonos One. And then it was announced today. As previously, very unclear as to what it can and cannot do. Some veiled comments about it's abilities. Anyone remember ATV 4K. They said 4K films will be available. Which was true, they were. But they didn't in their Keynote speech mention anything about it being a streaming service only for 4K. Sneaky? Or am I just naive?
 
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Marketing is mostly “focus on the positives.” If you are Apple launching a new product, there’s no need to bring attention to weaknesses. No company does that.

Focus on the positives and the shortcomings will come out in reviews later. In the meantime, drive positive buzz to sell as many as you can.
 
I have loads of CD's going back to the 90's which I've put on my iTunes playlist. I also have no intention of subscribIng to apply music. I mean the homepod is expensive enough without having to splash out another £120 per year!
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What about music I've uploaded to itunes fromy heaps of CD'S?
You might be surprised. For years I’ve been looking for a digital copy of an obscure album from the 1980s.

Talk To Me [I Can Hear You Now] by I Am Siam.

I found collectors selling it on vinyl, but no one selling a digital version.

To my surprise, it is on Apple Music, but not on iTunes.
 
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Stereo, at its heart, is a phenomenological experience. Let's do a little thought experiment. Say you had one object that was able to exactly mimic the experience of sound coming from two discrete sources. You have one or more measuring devices to record whatever sonic characteristics interest you, and they come back the same in both cases. Is it no longer stereo because it came from one device even if the experienced product is the same?

So what does "true" surround mean? If you experience discrete sounds in a 3D space, does it matter how how the sound waves were generated or from how many sources? If your brain registers a sound coming from behind you, does it matter whether it's because of a speaker or because of sound reflected off of the wall if the experience is the same?

In theory at least, beam-forming is so different from traditional speaker technology that it's unhelpful to compare them in the same way. With beam-forming, the whole room in essence becomes part of the speaker. Reflection of sound of surfaces isn't a bug that has to be dealt with, it's an essential part of how the sound is delivered.

All that said, Apple isn't trying to re-create the experience of of listening to left and right channels to generate placement of sound in space. They're actually analyzing the signal itself to pick out different sounds and re-assemble them. It's even very different from concepts such as Dolby Surround. It's unique from other sound reproduction available through consumer products. I'm not saying it's better, we'll have to wait and see how it performs. They do provide the option of pairing two speakers to create an even larger soundstage and play with both channels. But until we hear the speakers themselves in both configurations, we can't comment on the quality. I wouldn't surprised if a single HomePod is a much better experience than cheap two-speaker solutions, with clearer and larger soundstages, but it's still not going to be able to compete high-end systems. Regardless, a single HomePod is NOT going to sound like a single traditional speaker.

But I think it's important to allow ourselves to re-think our concepts of sound and music generation. For the longest time our gold standard of music in the home has been the two-speaker systems as that's what was feasible given our technological limitations. That doesn't mean the two-speaker system is the final word and will always be the best method of generating an immersive music experience. I'm not at all saying that the HomePod is that device. Most of us haven't heard it and can't yet comment about its performance, and I doubt that a first-gen product to use beam-forming for audio is going to topple the existing music space. But I do think it has a very bright future ahead of it, and I wouldn't be surprised if future one- or two-speaker beam forming systems end up performing as well or better than many of the multi-speaker solutions in the consumer space.

Although I’ve not heard someone from Apple officially say that this is a ‘Sonos’ type music system, I’ve seen lots of posters here and bloggers elsewhere say that is what the HomePod is meant to be. As such people are now expecting features, either now or soon, that compare to a Sonos system. Stereo and limited surround sound are 2 things you can do with Sonos. You also aren’t locked into just one company’s music selection.

I don’t agree with Apple’s wireless/streaming universe concept. I live in no selection poor internet speed land. Streaming, from ANYBODY, sucks. I don’t subscribe to any streaming service because they just don’t work reliably. So if that is my only real HomePod option, then thanks, but no thanks.

Edit: officially took out a redundant ‘officially’.
 
It would be cool if it were battery powered.

I'd say that's very unlikely. For starters, if it was portable, they would have advertised it.

But more importantly, there's no way this device could run off of a battery charge for any reasonable amount of time. Between the amount of processing it's doing and the number of speakers it's pushing, not to mention the always-on circuit for Siri, I imagine it's going to take up quite a bit of power.

Compare it to the Bose Revolve+, for instance. It has, what, one or two speakers inside? Most of the volume is for passive amplification. The HomePod woofer and tweeters take up much more volume, and the device is having to push a much larger number of them. A portable speaker just can't match a wired speaker in sound quality, and Apple's concerned much more with sound quality for this particular product.
 
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You can use AirPlay with Spotify correct? You can play Spotify through a Bluetooth speaker correct? If you can do either of those things then you can play Spotify from your phone through the speaker. I don't understand why people demand that Apple, who has their own streaming music service, must support all other competing streaming music services in the same way on their high end audio device.
You can, but that completely defeats the purpose of a voice controlled device. If I can only use airplay or Bluetooth controlled from my phone or ipad it makes no sense to buy this. There are far better airplay speakers on the market if that's all one want to use it for. Voice control is the main selling point so it should work with the worlds largest streaming service.

Also Google home happily allows it's users to choose it's music service despite also having their own one. Come on Apple, stop making the walled garden smaller and think about the end user and their needs.
 
But would you pay Apple premium price for it ? I have a soundbar on my TV that has bluetooth connectivity that my iPhone can connect to. The iPhone can do all that other stuff you mention already. I just don't see how manufacturers expect to shift these in any volume. Right this minute I'm using my iPhone as a speaker to play music - its got great sound quality better than my mac. (The soundbar is in another room)
No, I wouldn’t. But I get music from somewhere other than Apple Music. If I was in the Apple ecosystem for music and movies and stuff, I might. Further, if they had some kind of extra functionality, that might make it worth while. But I currently like Alexa better than Siri.
 
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You might be surprised. For years I’ve been looking for a digital copy of an obscure album from the 1980s.

Talk To Me [I Can Hear You Now] by I Am Siam.

I found collectors selling it on vinyl, but no one selling a digital version.

To my surprise, it is on Apple Music, but not on iTunes.

But my issue is having to subscribe to Apple music if I want to listen to music. I'm quite certain Apple aren't stupid enough to dictate that only Apple Music subscribers can listen to music and all those who have iTunes playlists can go take a long walk off a short cliff!
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You can, but that completely defeats the purpose of a voice controlled device. If I can only use airplay or Bluetooth controlled from my phone or ipad it makes no sense to buy this. There are far better airplay speakers on the market if that's all one want to use it for. Voice control is the main selling point so it should work with the worlds largest streaming service.

Also Google home happily allows it's users to choose it's music service despite also having their own one. Come on Apple, stop making the walled garden smaller and think about the end user and their needs.


How exactly do you know this? Have you listened to the HomePod? How would you know that there are far battery AirPlay-speakers on the market? And how could you know how good the HomePod sounds for its price?

There are so many unanswered questions surrounding the HomePod. I have a very hard time understanding how people feel able to talk so promptly about it. We know nothing of its sound quality, we have no real clue on how streaming to the device will actually work, we have no clue about the AirPlay 2 specifications and how its supposed to work, what features it will provide etc.. We know barely anything at all.

Comparing to AirPlay speakers is not all that relevant as all "AirPlay speakers" rely on AirPlay v1 which have no multi-room functionality or anything. So unless you are only grabbing a single one and don't care for fully synchronised multi-room music playback they aren't really a option to begin with.

This was the primary reason why I moved from B&W A7 AirPlay Speaker + Harman/Kardon AirPlay Speaker + Apple TV in the living room over to Sonos. As multi-room music was a real pain. You couldn't control it using iOS and when controlling it using iTunes on my Mac there was nothing ensuring audio was playing in sync so everything would be ever so slightly off in every room creating this hugely annoying echo to the sound. It was a mess.

The drawback with Sonos is how it still relies so much on the Sonos-app which completely butchers my iOS devices battery life.
 
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