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It's obvious most in this thread don't seem to understand this isn't really in Apple's control. Content creators and their deals with distribution companies are what determines how many devices can be streamed to. Apple likely violated that with allowing HomePod to stream, hence they'll need to fix something in the renegotiation talks.
Yeah I didn’t realize that. Now I know. It was just kind of careless for them to permit it in the first place. That’s pretty sloppy.
 
Given that the Homepod, like all other iOS devices, is single-user, does a Family Plan still allow me to listen to music under my account while at the office while my family listens to music on the Homepod (logged in to my account) at the house?
 
Well this if flipping dandy, I bought the HomePod on the basis that my family could listen to Apple Music while I wasn’t there, I was very careful to make sure that was the case before I bought it, I might even drop my subscription now and go with Amazon.
 
But then you’ miss gems like the guy wanting to play music for his dog.
Eh that’s nothing. I used to have a cat who liked to listen to German opera records on a victrola. I’m not kidding. Pets are strange and they require us owners to allow some odd things to keep them from tearing up the place. A lot of people leave the radio on for pets when they are at work. Especially for dogs with separation anxiety.
 
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Now, for the record, I don't own a HomePod. I've invested in the far superior performing (though less musically appealing) Amazon ecosystem. My subscription to Amazon Music let's us address that exact scenario.
Amazon Music behaves exactly the same as AM in this situation. One individual account = 1 stream, family plan = 6 simultaneous streams (on any # of accounts).

Unless you mean the fact that you can both use the same Amazon Music account on 2 devices - which, yeah I guess but it's just a byproduct of using a different company's service.
 
I'd love to get to know these individuals that are able to listen to 2 Apple music streams simultaneously without going insane.

Pay up and get the family account for your family. Yes, your dog counts as a 2nd person.
 
streaming music is how they make constant money for songs you dont even get to keep, so your stuck in a subscription forever if you want to keep them. and now they limit how many of your own devices that your allowed to play your song on ?! enjoy paying for something you cant even keep, ill stick to good old mp3's, several hundred thousands and growing everyday.
 
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Apple just keeps shooting itself in the foot with such petty things like this.

This.

This is just so unnecessary, and makes them look like greedy *******s. It's so clear, especially when they've taken away a feature from months ago, and are now charging $5 to reinstate it. Ridiculous.
 
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They are attempting to do both. I have a HomePod and use it strictly as a speaker. Siri is utterly worthless and so in HomeKit. Apple just really missed it on multiple fronts. Now they are trying to make up for it, but more than likely, it will just cause people to move away from Apple Music/HomePod and go to Sonos, etc.

Heck, when my nephew called me on FaceTime via an iPad, I jokingly asked his Echo to order a case of wine. It responded like I was in the room with it. Siri is so hit and miss on my iPhone, iPad, iMac, and Apple Watch. Haven't Apple had time to catch up by now?
 
Let’s say I had been using my HomePods to stream two things at once for the pass six months. Even if it wasn’t advertised to work this way, it did. Can I now return it? Don’t think so.
 
Oohh, I’m so relieved that the Walled Gardeneers closed some of their internal walls that I was so uncomfortable with. I hope that Tim will find a way to penalize all misuse in hindsight.
Those streaming thieves deserve a free morning of gut-wrenching Beats 1 (before that becomes the default HomePod source)
 
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Why? Do individual users often listen to two songs simultaneously?

Not often, but it happens. They could allow infrequent simultaneous playback on different device types. For example when I have something playing in the background (HomePod) and just briefly want to check out something else on my phone.
 
Wow. What an absolute petty and pathetic thing to do. The amount of $$$$ I've spent on iPhone X, HomePod, and Apple Music plan should easily allow me to have both playing at the same time. Apple should've at least introduced the ability for HomePod to detect different voices/users to determine which person's Apple Music plan to use before they started applying this garbage policy to it.
 
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Wow. What an absolute petty and pathetic thing to do. The amount of $$$$ I've spent on iPhone X, HomePod, and Apple Music plan should easily allow me to have both playing at the same time. Apple should've at least introduced the ability for HomePod to detect different voices/users to determine which person's Apple Music plan to use before they started applying this garbage policy to it.

You’re paying for a single stream. Why would you assume you can do more than one stream at the same time from a single user account?
 
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How come I can’t play two songs on an account meant for one person playing a song?! So unfair.
From a bookkeeper’s perspective it is indeed unfair.
At the same time, revenue missed from a single account using 2 streams is very limited (= difference between single and family Music account) and shouldn’t weigh up against the lost goodwill of penny crunching.
Especially when people realize that they paid for Bluetooth 5.0 on their HomePods, which is artifically degraded to prevent music playback. The overall reaction could be expected to be “suck•••”
This is why HomePod sells pretty bad - which is a far more costly problem that Apple should handle instead of this nitpicking
 
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From a bookkeeper’s perspective it is unfair.
At the same time, illegal use from a single account using 2 streams is very limited (= difference between single and family Music account) and shouldn’t weigh up against the lost goodwill of penny crunching.
Especially when people realize that they paid for Bluetooth 5.0 on their HomePods, which is artifically degraded to prevent music playback. The overall reaction could be expected to be “suck•••”

I don’t think people will realize anything about BT 5.0. I had forgotten it was even there until people brought it up, and I would like to think I’m slightly in the know. I also have to question whether Apple has some sort of licensing agreement with music companies regarding the single vs family accounts.
 
I don’t think people will realize anything about BT 5.0. I had forgotten it was even there until people brought it up, and I would like to think I’m slightly in the know. I also have to question whether Apple has some sort of licensing agreement with music companies regarding the single vs family accounts.
OK. But even without knowing that, for the grand public this device is too expensive for what it is. And as soon as they start checking features, they’ll know or sales people will inform them. And clever licensing by Apple will only make the delta between family and individual even smaller (and penny pinching less useful)
 
OK. But even without knowing that, for the grand public this device is too expensive for what it is. And as soon as they start checking features, they’ll know or sales people will inform them. And clever licensing by Apple will only make the delta between family and individual even smaller (and penny pinching less useful)

How many streams of music do you think a single user account should be able to do? Let’s start there.
 
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Hey Tim, how about you fix Siri on HomePods pathetic performance before attempting to chisel more money out of your customers? Seriously, I've given up asking Siri to play music - it only works reliably when music is Airplayed from my iPhone.
 
Can this come under “bait and switch” strategy?

yes. it is classic bait and switch.

the Home Pod, when it first came out, was a crippled device. it was basically only a speaker+

with this new policy of treating the Home Pod as a full fledged device, apple is trying to make the Home Pod into something more than a computer/device peripheral.

at the same time, its not by coincidence that this comes on the backs of apple allowing incorporation of AirPlay 2 into other companies' devices. its related.

apple needs to create a much more compelling software array for this to be anything more than a voice aware speaker.
it hasn't done that yet.
 
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