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Why are we still comparing the HomePod to a 50$ Echo? It’s a voice assistant “speaker” versus a real music speaker that also has Siri.
True. Which reveals Apple’s challenge of penetrating this market. Most people don’t care about high-end audio versus audio they can hear, so it’s tough to charge a $200-$300 premium for that feature.
 
HomePod is useless to me until it can connect to my AppleTV(s) as the audio playback device(s) (in pairs - stereo) in secondary entertainment areas of my house, connect to my existing iTunes library, and have Siri actually be useful.

The price is also a non-starter. If they could get this down to between $200-250 (without compromising quality), then I would buy several. Until all this happens, sorry there's just no point to it.
 
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Why are we still comparing the HomePod to a 50$ Echo? It’s a voice assistant “speaker” versus a real music speaker that also has Siri.
I love how they compare it to an Echo but nobody compares the Homepod’s sales to the Sonos One. That would make the former’s sales look even more dire.
 
Yes two in fact

I’ve seen a fair amount of here who have bought several
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Same

Works great for what I need it for. Also don’t need to worry about your privacy either
That should say, "I choose not to worry about privacy." Apple doesn't have a perfect privacy track record either.
 
Why not spin negative spins? The category Apple reports the HomePod a part of grew, but it’s now believe by a random person outside of apple that it’s lower than the original guess. I’ll stick with Apple on this. Every time they have been happy with initial sales, from the iPod to the IPhone X analysts have made up low numbers and they always looked stupid when Apple decided to start releasing info. They never want the competition to know how popular what they are doing different really is until it’s too late. It’s why it usually takes 2-3 years for competitors to catch up. It forces them to spread their resources instead of just taking what is working for Apple and running with it. By the time they realize it, Apple has secured a significant targeted sales volume and the copiers can’t really hurt them. Even if competitors come and get more market share, they will still grow along with the market and Control the profitable high end of the market.
What are you talking about? Stick with Apple on what? Apple has nothing to do with this report from Strategy Analytics nor anything to do with the last report from CIRP. Both sets of estimates are 3rd party estimates. CIRP has been getting the side-eye because they looked at US sales tracking and used that for the basis of their global estimation. Hard to base a global estimate on US sales don't you think? Just bit skewed.

Also, I think you seem to be misremembering. Afaik, Apple hasn't released any specific sales info on any skus... from the iPod to the iPhoneX. If they had, people would be quoting them instead of 3rd party estimates.
 
Same reason you're only mentioning the $50 Echo in your comment. Narrative. 'Cept I'd say they're a little less disingenuous in their comparison. At least they're comparing the sales of the entire smart speaker market. Unlike you, who self selected the most disparately priced Echo sku to compare vs the HomePod.

It's a general comparison of the entire market. Not a subset breakdown. There's a difference, of which, I am sure you are aware.

My comment was more about the purpose of those devices than price, but it does paint a better picture mentioning how big the difference in price gets.

Look, if Apple wanted to really compete in the smart speaker market they could’ve put more focus on Siri by making a cheaper smaller speaker that only serves the purpose of making Siri a stand-alone product.

Everyone knows HomePod is focused on music and costs more because of that, therefore the comparison to any Echo or Google Home products is not very fair. But I get it I guess.
 
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If Apple had released a $250 speaker I could have just plugged into an Echo Dot, they would have had a product.

In the mean time they could have updated the Mac Pro and Mac mini, etc. Fools.
 
I know people with Echos. I hear about people having Echos.

I know numerous Apple fanatics. I don't know anyone with a HomePod. I don't hear about the HomePod. I saw one sitting in a busy Apple Store with a grand total of nobody caring that it existed.

Does anybody care about home speakers/theaters anymore? I used to hear about them all the time. Sometime in the last 5-15 years people stopped talking about or caring about them.

So on the speaker front, nobody cares. On the AI front, you already have Siri on your watch, which is infinitely more convenient than being in a single room of your house. Plus Siri is dumber than a doorknob, so who cares about having her at all?

What about the HomePod is supposed to be interesting or appealing?

It only makes sense for Google and Amazon because:
#1 - Their AI is more useful.
#2 - They don't already have you wearing their smartwatches (because Amazon doesn't make one, and nobody cares about Android Wear.)
#3 - They're cheap. You can impulsively buy them.

Great sound, HomeKit integration, Apple Music integration, Siri - this is why I bought two and I've been very happy with them. It's not for everyone obviously and I am sure Apple is aware of that.
 
Because:

1. Siri is limited
2. Pricy compared to other smart speakers (not necessarily to other high end dump speaker tho).

3. You forgot the knock-out argument: It only works with Apple Music.
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I think the HomePod is pretty good. I got one, it works just fine. At least it doesn't spy on me.

Yeah, sure. Because Apple's Cloud is not listening to every word you say... :rolleyes:
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That should say, "I choose not to worry about privacy." Apple doesn't have a perfect privacy track record either.

Nah. People have already totally forgotten about the incident when iPhones were "accidentally" reporting their users' movement profiles back to Apple...
 
A lot of people don't care about music quality enough to spend $350 on a speaker. I think if they managed to come up with a good $150 speaker they would sell like hotcakes.

Don't think so. You buy an Echo for around 30 bucks when Amazon puts it on sale and then you just buy an external ANKER speaker for it (either the SoundCore Mini for 25 bucks or one of the 'brick-sized' SoundCore speakers for 50 to 75 bucks). So, let's say, for around 80 bucks you have a combo that's more than good enough for your garage, kitchen or office -- which are the most common places where WORKING people listen to music. There are only a fistful of "audiophiles" out there, the billions of other people listen to music in the car or have it running in the background and don't pretend to be at a concert in an opera house...
 
OF COURSE people aren't going to buy something they don't need. Hell, I don't see why people buy smart speakers tbh. Unless you spend the majority of your day in your kitchen and that's where you work. Maybe?

Apple is only minimalist in design and stylistic choices, not at the core like they used to be.
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Gotta love the MacRumors comment section’s general attitude on everything. Always salivating and drooling over the prospect of an Apple product failure so they can hoist the carcass on a pitchfork and parade it around the town square.
My favorite Sunday activity. <3
 
3. You forgot the knock-out argument: It only works with Apple Music.
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Yeah, sure. Because Apple's Cloud is not listening to every word you say... :rolleyes:
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Nah. People have already totally forgotten about the incident when iPhones were "accidentally" reporting their users' movement profiles back to Apple...
Prove it, and give a motive because it isn't profit.
 
If the company can't make money by snooping in on your every word, then of course it's going to be more expensive!

I think you are accusing Google and Amazon of listening to your every word with your comment but it has been proven time and time again they are not constantly recording and sending data back to Google/Amazon. Yes, they are constantly listening but only for the hot word. When they hear the hot word then and only then do they start sending data to be processed.

I have both systems in my home. I am also able to see how much data is being downloaded and uploaded by these devices. I can also see when this happens. I can reassure you that they are only sending data when you active them by saying the hot word. There is not a stream of constant data going back to the mother ship like so many uninformed think. So take off your tinfoil hat and relax a little.
 
If apple is really aiming for better maket share. They really need to loose some pride and come out with features that people want. Sure, it my sound REALLY AMAZING...but if I am stuck with one one source that it can play....its way too expensive for what it is.
I really wish for better connectivity options; like 3.5mm and optical. A $350 piece equipment should have those basic options. If it has those options, I am all over it.

But at the current state...I am sticking with my Axiom Air which sounds very close if not better. And I LOVE to be able to use it with my TV, Airplay,or any BT enabled devices. Sound quality is amazing. and Love the choices of color to match my home decor. So for now, no thanks Apple.
 
I bought one and absolutely love it. I don't use it as a smart speaker though, I use it for music.

That’s because the HomePod is a music player _first_ and a smart speaker second. Look at Apple’s marketing and exactly how they intended the HomePod to be. It’s all about the audio with the HomePod, too many are conflating that the HomePod was supposed to be just a smart speaker first, when that is not what it’s intention was.
 
I like my HomePod, it sounds better than my Sonos 1 but it rarely gets used. It would work well in a single persons home but with a family it’s not as great. When I leave the house the functions are limited for everyone, calendar, reminders etc don’t work unless I’m home. Hopefully software update will take it to a more useful place in my home.
 
Why are we still comparing the HomePod to a 50$ Echo? It’s a voice assistant “speaker” versus a real music speaker that also has Siri.
This a million times!! So frustrated that the Homepod is even in the same discussion. I would have paid $350 (ok maybe 299) for a homepod with no Siri whatsoever. I don't freaking care about Siri/Alexa/Cortana/Google/Bixby or what they have to say, it's all about the SOUND. Which Apple is serious about. It's like they designed this thing to not distort and also to be very rich at low volume - both make for a smooth listening experience. I can't wait to set up a 2nd HP as a pair (arriving today coincidentally).
 
I've often said here that without hard numbers we have no way of knowing if the Apple Watch is a success or not.

If I'm going to be consistent here then I need to be the same here. These are estimates and nothing more.

Strategy Analytics is pulling numbers out their ass
 
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