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Again, I don't know if I would hold it much against Apple. They didn't seem to be aiming for Home Theater from the start with HP. That's something a bunch of people HERE starting spinning up. Apple has always positioned this thing as something that might be called an ultimate Echo competitor. From the pre-release reviews, it sounds like they may have built it well from a quality of sound perspective but fallen short on the "smarts" side.

Nevertheless, it seems the HP is about great sounding music (specifically Apple Music) from a tiny speaker that sounds good throughout a room.

If Apple wanted to position this for Home Theater too, they would be pushing that as some added details in the marketing. Speakers for Home Theaters are usually purchased at least 2- but more typically 5 or 7- at a time. Can anyone doubt that Apple would prefer to sell 2, 5 or 7 HPs in one transaction instead of trying to make as little as just 1 magically cover all those same bases? Think about the revenue objective instead of the technology spin if you have any doubts.

Since it was announced, WE promoted it into a Sonos competitor to make the price a little more palatable. And then WE spun it into a home theater speaker to compete with Sonos home theater setups. Some of us went so far as to count the tweeters and claim it's up to 8 "speakers" in one tiny box. Pair that with out-of-control "beam forming" hype and some were all but proclaiming this 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound in a single HP... or maybe just 2 HPs.

But it's not that. Even the favored pre-reviewers are pointing out that while it will airplay fine from :apple:TV, when you get it to do anything else, it decouples and then you have to go through the steps within :apple:TV to reconnect it again. Imagine interacting with the "smarts" side like Alexa owners do and then having to go through Airplay connection routines over and over again.

Maybe Apple will sell a ton of these for their intended purpose, get inspired from all those profits and decide to imagine & build a HP Pro system for home theater people. If so, great. But in the meantime, we should see it for what it is... what Apple says it is in their own marketing, rather than what a bunch of us have been trying to spin it into well BEYOND Apple's own marketing.

Once more: if the primary want is home theater speakers, consider buying a dedicated home theater speaker system and getting the bulk of the HP benefits via the :apple:TV you already have. It's already got Siri search, Airplay, AM access, etc... PLUS it bring full home-sharing access, all of the video benefits, and the ever-growing utility that comes from third party apps (including competing music service apps like Pandora). Since HP requires an iDevice for setup, the iDevice you already have can cover the rest of the "smarts" including doing basic things like setting appointments and/or seeking on-demand information BETTER than what can be done asking Siri questions or giving Siri commands.
 
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Sonos isn’t the best comparison to go with if we’re trying to get a better value than a $700 2.0 HomePod setup for a home theater. You can get a setup with a sub for that much money that will perform much better than two HomePods or a Sonos playbase/bar.

I agree that if subwoofer rumble is essential to you then HomePod probably isn’t an option. Maybe someday, though. (They could let you send the LFE channel to a third party Airplay capable sub for example.)

I also forgot about Sonos’s subwoofer in my earlier post since if I got a Sonos I’d be getting the Playbase (because I wouldn’t be wall mounting my TV) which allegedly has better bass than the Playbar due to a small integrated sub.

Of course adding the external subwoofer is another $700.
 
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Just wondering if it’s possible to setup HomePod to use with your Apple TV, basically replacing a sound bar?

Nothing against the HomePod, but it was not designed for home theater applications. For the same money, a real 5.1 home theater system (or even just 2.1) would be a much better match for your Apple TV.

Seems at least one reviewer agrees. Regarding his section on audio quality, John Grubar @Gruber at https://daringfireball.net: "HomePod is a standalone device, not a home theater component."
 
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Again, I don't know if I would hold it much against Apple. They didn't seem to be aiming for Home Theater from the start with HP. That's something a bunch of people HERE starting spinning up. Apple has always positioned this thing as something that might be called an ultimate Echo competitor. From the pre-release reviews, it sounds like they may have built it well from a quality of sound perspective but fallen short on the "smarts" side.

Nevertheless, it seems the HP is about great sounding music (specifically Apple Music) from a tiny speaker that sounds good throughout a room.

If Apple wanted to position this for Home Theater too, they would be pushing that as some added details in the marketing. Speakers for Home Theaters are usually purchased at least 2- but more typically 5 or 7- at a time. Can anyone doubt that Apple would prefer to sell 2, 5 or 7 HPs in one transaction instead of trying to make as little as just 1 magically cover all those same bases? Think about the revenue objective instead of the technology spin if you have any doubts.

Since it was announced, WE promoted it into a Sonos competitor to make the price a little more palatable. And then WE spun it into a home theater speaker to compete with Sonos home theater setups. Some of us went so far as to count the tweeters and claim it's up to 8 "speakers" in one tiny box. Pair that with out-of-control "beam forming" hype and some were all but proclaiming this 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound in a single HP... or maybe just 2 HPs.

But it's not that. Even the favored pre-reviewers are pointing out that while it will airplay fine from :apple:TV, when you get it to do anything else, it decouples and then you have to go through the steps within :apple:TV to reconnect it again. Imagine interacting with the "smarts" side like Alexa owners do and then having to go through Airplay connection routines over and over again.

Maybe Apple will sell a ton of these for their intended purpose, get inspired from all those profits and decide to imagine & build a HP Pro system for home theater people. If so, great. But in the meantime, we should see it for what it is... what Apple says it is in their own marketing, rather than what a bunch of us have been trying to spin it into well BEYOND Apple's own marketing.

Once more: if the primary want is home theater speakers, consider buying a dedicated home theater speaker system and getting the bulk of the HP benefits via the :apple:TV you already have. It's already got Siri search, Airplay, AM access, etc... PLUS it bring full home-sharing access, all of the video benefits, and the ever-growing utility that comes from third party apps (including competing music service apps like Pandora). Since HP requires an iDevice for setup, the iDevice you already have can cover the rest of the "smarts" including doing basic things like setting appointments and/or seeking on-demand information BETTER than what can be done asking Siri questions or giving Siri commands.

Yeah..... respectfully, you are just repeating (at length) what we already know. We know that Apple are only positioning this as an "Echo with better sound" - that's painfully obvious. And we all know that a separate receiver/speaker package is better....

What I'm saying is that it would have been good to see Apple looking at tighter integration with the Apple TV as well. Not instead of, as well as. Apple is a humongous company with enormous resources - and yet it feels like the "home" market is being completely neglected.

It would have taken relatively little effort to make the homepod work well with the apple TV - and it might get there eventually - but I'm really disappointed that they didn't try a bit harder at launch
 
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Yeah..... respectfully, you are just repeating (at length) what we already know. We know that Apple are only positioning this as an "Echo with better sound" - that's painfully obvious. And we all know that a separate receiver/speaker package is better....

What I'm saying is that it would have been good to see Apple looking at tighter integration with the Apple TV as well. Not instead of, as well as. Apple is a humongous company with enormous resources - and yet it feels like the "home" market is being completely neglected.

It would have taken relatively little effort to make the homepod work well with the apple TV - and it might get there eventually - but I'm really disappointed that they didn't try a bit harder at launch

I agree. There is NO WAY that Apple is going to sit back and let Apple TV customers buy a SONOS soundbar or BOSE etc. Don't forget guys, the kind of people that buy soundbars usually DO NOT want 5.1 speaker systems with separate speakers, cables etc. I fit into that category. I love interior design but hate loudspeakers, cables and boxes. If I had to buy a speaker for a TV, then i'd buy a soundbar or a HomePod.
With the way that they've pretty much made the new ATV 4K perfect in every respect for the iTunes customer, i'm convinced that they'll eventually partner the HomePod or its future family of speakers up with this. It's missed sales for Apple and Tim won't be pleased!
 
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I agree. There is NO WAY that Apple is going to sit back and let Apple TV customers buy a SONOS soundbar or BOSE etc. Don't forget guys, the kind of people that buy soundbars usually DO NOT want 5.1 speaker systems with separate speakers, cables etc. I fit into that category. I love interior design but hate loudspeakers, cables and boxes. If I had to buy a speaker for a TV, then i'd buy a soundbar or a HomePod.
With the way that they've pretty much made the new ATV 4K perfect in every respect for the iTunes customer, i'm convinced that they'll eventually partner the HomePod or its future family of speakers up with this. It's missed sales for Apple and Tim won't be pleased!

I am in the same boat. Not looking for a 5.1 system - 1, wiring sucks and 2, I live in an apartment so a crazy system isn’t an option. I just want good sound that hits all levels... no random loud moments or extreme base in movies/tv shows.
 
I am in the same boat. Not looking for a 5.1 system - 1, wiring sucks and 2, I live in an apartment so a crazy system isn’t an option. I just want good sound that hits all levels... no random loud moments or extreme base in movies/tv shows.

Totally agree and worldwide, people are now choosing to live an urban lifestyle - apartment living in metropolitan cities with everything at hand.
I once experience an apartment were the guy on the ground floor had a home cinema and that 'thing' echoed throughout the entire building. It was a truly horrible experience and an eye opener of how noise really travels!
Totally agree about wires - hence the fantastic popularity of Bluetooth speakers :)
 
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Totally agree and worldwide, people are now choosing to live an urban lifestyle - apartment living in metropolitan cities with everything at hand.
I once experience an apartment were the guy on the ground floor had a home cinema and that 'thing' echoed throughout the entire building. It was a truly horrible experience and an eye opener of how noise really travels!
Totally agree about wires - hence the fantastic popularity of Bluetooth speakers :)

Just one more reason to become a home owner. Not only do I build equity in something rather than throwing my money into the black hole that is renting, but I don't have to deal with noisy neighbors, or conversely worry about annoying mine with my home theater. I understand it's not an option for everyone, but I'd never choose to live in an apartment again, the perks of home ownership far outweigh the negatives.
 
There is NO WAY that Apple is going to sit back and let Apple TV customers buy a SONOS soundbar or BOSE etc.

Errrr..... but they are, and have been doing for the last 5 years (Sonos) and god-knows-how-long (Bose).

Maybe there is another version in the works that is designed to work better with your appleTV? But given how long it's taken them to get the homepod out the doors, and given the fact that it's launched without apparently even the ability to make a phone call or read your iCloud calendar, the chances of seeing that anytime soon looks fairly remote.


Pffff - maybe it's just rose-tinted spectacles, but it felt like Apple's trade-off for being late-to-the-party was that when they did launch, their products really delivered, and blew the competition out of the water.

Maybe a future software update will really flex some muscle..... but why the hell not have that ready at launch? They obviously struggled with delivery of the Homepod - this thing had "Christmas gift" written all over it, but they missed the window by a few weeks. But I guess this is the same company that released a phone with wireless charging, but no wireless charger :rolleyes:
 
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There is NO WAY that Apple is going to sit back and let Apple TV customers buy a SONOS soundbar or BOSE etc

Not only do they "sit back" but they actually sell Sonos speakers for home theater right in the Apple store: https://www.apple.com/shop/accessories/all-accessories/sonos
...including Sonos more direct competitor to HP: https://www.apple.com/shop/product/HKL12VC/A/sonos-play1-wireless-speaker?

And Apple sells Bose too: https://www.apple.com/us/search/Bose?src=globalnav
...including a HP-like cylinder speaker: https://www.apple.com/shop/product/HL4D2VC/A/bose-soundlink-revolve-bluetooth-speaker?

Both Sonos & Bose are stocked at my local Apple retail store for quick pickup tomorrow if I would want to buy either from Apple.com tonight.
 
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I am in the same boat. Not looking for a 5.1 system - 1, wiring sucks and 2, I live in an apartment so a crazy system isn’t an option. I just want good sound that hits all levels... no random loud moments or extreme base in movies/tv shows.

Actually, you'll probably get far more control over dynamics of a movie with a true home theater system (even if it's only 2.1). This is because you need Dolby support to control individual dialogue levels separate from the music and special effects. With Homepod, if you want to turn up the dialogue to hear what the actors are saying, you'll be boosting bass and music/spx levels too!*

Again, Homepod is built for music - NOT for movies.

* They can probably pull off some karaoke-style processing to boost center channel info, but this type of processing comes at the expense of audio quality.
 
Not only do they "sit back" but they actually sell Sonos speakers for home theater right in the Apple store: https://www.apple.com/shop/accessories/all-accessories/sonos
...including Sonos more direct competitor to HP: https://www.apple.com/shop/product/HKL12VC/A/sonos-play1-wireless-speaker?

And Apple sells Bose too: https://www.apple.com/us/search/Bose?src=globalnav
...including a HP-like cylinder speaker: https://www.apple.com/shop/product/HL4D2VC/A/bose-soundlink-revolve-bluetooth-speaker?

Both Sonos & Bose are stocked at my local Apple retail store for quick pickup tomorrow if I would want to buy either from Apple.com tonight.

Maybe they do sell SONOS and BOSE but they certainly do not have the profit margin and control of their own products. It's so easy to remember the huge amount of brands that used to be offered on the Apple store for speakers and headphones - atomic floyd and Bowers & Wilkins are just two - Apple dropped them, Apple even dropped BOSE for a while when they fell out over some sport deal. Apple are the epitome of slave masters in this respect and they sell the brands that whisper softly to them. The minute the HomePod sales are compromised, look how quickly these other brands will be stopped from the Apple store!
 
There is NO WAY that Apple is going to sit back and let Apple TV customers buy a SONOS soundbar or BOSE etc.

I have a Bose SoundBar with the complete 5.1 speaker system. I'm going to tell you I want that experience. Also, mine is completely wire free (except for the power cables). All via Bluetooth.

I will always recommend people buy a decent soundbar vs a HomePod.
 
That's great, but the A11X MoBo is morally outdated way earlier than this gorgeous micro-LED panel. So I personally would like to keep them separated.
Actually, I don't care at all about the "smart"-TV. Just give me a good panel with enough inputs.
That’s how I’ve been approaching TV’s lately.

I want a screen, period. Not a crap computer that slows down dramatically in a few month. *looking at the crap Roku embedded TV my roommate has*

I love Apple TV, but I want it in a box I can upgrade (and repurpose the old one), not one embedded to the screen.

It’s getting harder and harder to even find a non-smart TV these days.
 
You and I think very alike. I just want the TV to turn on/off. Period, I'll hook on devices to make it work. Sure having "smart" and "YouTube" connected TVs makes them handy, but support tends to be lacking towards the end.
I find it beyond frustrating that I can’t tell the damn TV what input to start on so I don’t have to deal with that attrocious and laggy home screen.
 
I find it beyond frustrating that I can’t tell the damn TV what input to start on so I don’t have to deal with that attrocious and laggy home screen.

I took care of that. I have a hard setting to tune in the AppleTV in HDMI3-ARC as soon as it turns on. If I want to watch TV I just hit the input button on my remote once and off I go.
 
I took care of that. I have a hard setting to tune in the AppleTV in HDMI3-ARC as soon as it turns on. If I want to watch TV I just hit the input button on my remote once and off I go.
Unfortunately you’ll find that in the price range my roommate was looking for those options simply don’t exist. I actually had a friend just purchase a new smart TV and THE feature that made him choose that one was that it had the Chromecast built in. He doesn’t have cable and is fully in the Google ecosystem so the nice thing is that even though he still has to see that damn home screen his only interaction with the TV is through the phone.

Personally, I’ll be getting a HomePod eventually. I’m not an audiophile as I mostly listen to podcasts but when I do hear music it’s almost exclusively live recordings. I’ve been making due with a cheap Anker Bluetooth speaker but I think I’ll treat myself around August to the HomePod. I don’t care about Apple Music or Spotify (I hate streaming services in general), I just want a small speaker in my room that will sound great without having to deal with any apps. I know there are Sonos and stuff out there, but I just can’t be bothered. I know the HomePod is going to sound astounding compared to what I’ve been using, and it will eventually serve as my HomeKit Hub as I start buying just a couple smart devices where they make sense.
 
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Again, Homepod is built for music - NOT for movies.

However, it will be used for movies by many. People will buy one and then get a second one and it will be their reference for great audio quality. Besides going to cinema, most consumers have never experienced good sound. The Homepod will be leagues head of built in TV speakers, amazon echo or budget audio products.

Unfortunately great sound quality is as inaccessible as buying a desktop computer was 15 years ago. Choice is underwhelming. Price and performance relationship isn't always linear. Unless you are an audiophile or have done countless hours of research, can't just walk into an audio stores and trust that you will leave with the RIGHT product.

The Homepod takes choice anxiety out of the equation, requires no technical(input and formats) literacy to buy and is small enough to fit anywhere.

I won't buy the homepod as I don't think it's right for me, but appreciate why it will be a success. Amazon, Boss and Sonos will follow with a competing speaker at a similar price.
 
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For the price of 4 homepods you could get an amazing 5.1 system

As a solo speaker it makes sense , in multi speakers not so ( in the same room )

As for 'morally outdated' lol what on earth does that mean ??

I was just simply saying that a big ios based tv device makes sense

A hang on the wall tv w/ integrated appletv with a voice interface linking up to homepod controlled by your ios device... it's all coming together...steve's vision for the home

Watch the next few years - i bet i'm proved right
 
For the price of 4 homepods you could get an amazing 5.1 system

As a solo speaker it makes sense , in multi speakers not so ( in the same room )

Yeah, it seems to me that HomePod really shines as a standalone speaker, especially when considering the value proposition. By the time you buy two, you should've just gotten a set of bookshelves and a sub.

For the price of a Sonos Playbar/Playbase, Sub and 2 Sonos Ones you could get 5 Homepods.

Neither stereo-paired HomePods, and certainly nothing from Sonos, is where to go if trying to go the value for your money route. The $1700 Sonos 5.1 setup would fare rather poorly, against an equally-priced setup put together by oneself.
 
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