Last we saw a couple years back the “tethered” version of AVP (in development) required a Mac Pro.
I have a feeling that people are severely underestimating how important the R1 chip is to the entire experience.
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Honest feelings about the Vision Pro after nearly 5 months
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I have a feeling that people are severely underestimating how important the R1 chip is to the entire experience.
But I mean even if it’s a Mac Pro, what other port would it use besides Thunderbolt? And it would still have to be over wire, so maybe any offloading even to a Mac Pro would have latency. Or maybe it would need two cables.
Yeah I would think the R chip is always going to be necessary. But I don’t know if it can be offloaded to an external device or if it can communicate fast enough with an M chip over wire.
Whilst i believe some or all of that, two things
1. he’s generating clicks as an internet reviewer for revenue
2. its an early developer focused device
AR/VR won’t be mainstream from ANY company until we get glasses form factor. And that will take time.
whenever someone starts an article titled ‘honest’ anything, you know it’s gonna be bad
Watching Season 2, Episode 4 of House of the Dragon was absolutely incredible in the Vision Pro. One of the best TV experiences I have ever had.
I personally do not have a comfort issue with the AVP.. i haven’t worn it for hours but feel like I could without issue.. i use the solo knit band too..
My main issues are the reflection/glare when the screen has a lot of black/dark scenes, and light coming in by my nose
My main issues are the reflection/glare when the screen has a lot of black/dark scenes, and light coming in by my nose
I had comfort issues for a little while but about the first week of the 14 day return window I could tell I was starting to get used to it as I could keep it on for longer and longer without issues. Within two months I’d bought a second battery because I got tired of always having it plugged in so the battery wouldn’t run out and bought a second battery for a good deal on eBay and haven’t had any issues wearing it for several hours for months now. I’d say of your comfort issues aren’t getting better by 7 - 10 days with the device then I’d consider returning it but if you do notice it’s getting better then you may want to stick with it but it’s a tough call obviously due to the price. I’m glad I kept mine. It still blows me away at times giving me “holy crap, I can’t believe this thing is real and I own one” moments.
Exactly my thoughts. 👍
I recently discovered that "moon portal" app. It is not really something productive, but - holy moly - I am walking around on the bridge of the Enterprise and things like that. And I am not just reading about it, I can do it.
Apple didnt position this device as a Mac replacement as they should've. I would say its a spacial device that can link up to an actual computer to do computing but it doesnt function as a stand alone computer.
regarding the fact, that engineering does not know in advance, what people want:
The "I" in the text is Steve Jobs.
...like mobile phones for 500$ without a keyboard. (Steve Balmer)
The "I" in the text is Steve Jobs.
Like the iPad got a Stylus after a few years (but not called a Stylus of course)
Apple will probably release controllers after a few years (but they won't be called controllers)
You cannot compare the stylus with possible controllers for the AVP. It will be a quite easy thing to create this opportunity and hardware. Did you know, that there are already two external "controllers" for the AVP? They are called keyboard and trackpad.Like the iPad got a Stylus after a few years (but not called a Stylus of course)
Apple will probably release controllers after a few years (but they won't be called controllers)
But I am somehow glad, Apple just started with hand gestures. I tried the Quest and its controllers and I am not really fond of them.
I picked up a 512GB unit a couple of weeks ago off eBay. I am assessing it on the second hand price I paid ($1200 less than retail) and it's really something special. I'm not sure yet how it fits into my computing life and it's still got the "new" glow to me but I can see so much promise. I think when they move the platform to a more wearable AR focus that it'll really hit the mass market. I'm a hardware and software engineer (degrees in electronics and comp sci) so I've alway been an early adopter and try to assess technology like this not in it's current state as much as what it could turn into. Not to say that I don't really enjoy working in the virtual environment and as a video consumption device it's pretty great. This isn't a "now" device. It's a device for those that want to experience a rather expensive dev project and appreciate where it's going.
In my eyes, the AVP has two main problems that drag it down:
First, outside of the specific niche of being a portable super-display for Macs, it's an ultra-high-price consumer device... so where the heck is the consumer content? Why are we getting four-minute immersive videos and not the entire Superbowl? What is Apple even doing with all those really expensive 3D cameras?
Second, the design optimized for style over comfort, and that is an absolute damn stinker of a choice because there is no wiggle room for form over function right now with headset devices. None. Whoever gave the approval on shipping either of the headbands in the box should be fired (out of a cannon, into the sun) and replaced with someone who actually knows how the ergonomics of these devices work.
First, outside of the specific niche of being a portable super-display for Macs, it's an ultra-high-price consumer device... so where the heck is the consumer content? Why are we getting four-minute immersive videos and not the entire Superbowl? What is Apple even doing with all those really expensive 3D cameras?
Second, the design optimized for style over comfort, and that is an absolute damn stinker of a choice because there is no wiggle room for form over function right now with headset devices. None. Whoever gave the approval on shipping either of the headbands in the box should be fired (out of a cannon, into the sun) and replaced with someone who actually knows how the ergonomics of these devices work.
You're stuck with it. It's a side effect of how the pancake lenses work and impossible to get rid of without replacing the optics with a totally different system (and the older methods, which don't have the problem, are much bigger and heavier). There are plenty of alternatives under development, but none have gotten out of the "lab experiments" stage yet, especially since most are also trying to improve the FOV in ways that don't require ultra-wide headsets like Pimax makes.
The technology isn't there yet. Compare the locker room scenes with the actual playing scenes. Locker room shots are great. Playing scenes show the current camera limitations, such as the inability to do an immersive zoom. There is the problem of creating a totally new production suite along with new hardware and software to process it. They are showing us the things they can do well. We'll have to wait for them to work out the technical details, negotiate the rights, etc.
? This is actually one of their better ideas. Ship the nice looking back strap that they advertise, but include the more practical head strap as well.
The "more practical" one is still abysmal. There are Etsy sellers who have made more practical arrangements with a budget of pocket lint.
Because those 3D cameras are useless for sports events where massive telezooms are required.
Sports have to be filmed with this...
Seems like the whole "Watch sports on your AVP" use case isn't feasible for the foreseeable future then.
I’d imagine there could be multiple 3D cameras placed around the venue so you could transport to different “seats” to get more close up to some particular action. They could also probably incorporate one or more 2D screens virtually so you can simultaneously see both, maybe as a big virtual Jumbotron placed where spectators would be sitting on the opposing side of the venue.
So I was in the Apple Store yesterday picking up some HomePod Minis that I ordered. The lovely clerk was chatting with me as we were waiting for my merch to come from the back.
Her: "So, anything from our announcements yesterday you have your eye on?"
Me: "Not really. Just bought a new 15 PM last year. My wife would like a new iPad soon so when you announce those we might be interested."
Her: "Good to know. In the meantime, you can book a demo of the Vision Pro and ..."
Me: <grimaces>
Her: "... and ..."
Me: "Nope. nope. Saw someone at the store here wearing one last time I was in. Looked ridiculous."
Her: "So, anything from our announcements yesterday you have your eye on?"
Me: "Not really. Just bought a new 15 PM last year. My wife would like a new iPad soon so when you announce those we might be interested."
Her: "Good to know. In the meantime, you can book a demo of the Vision Pro and ..."
Me: <grimaces>
Her: "... and ..."
Me: "Nope. nope. Saw someone at the store here wearing one last time I was in. Looked ridiculous."
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Looking ridiculous was also the reaction of a friend of mine when I asked her what she thought of the VP. It strikes me as odd though that that would be the main consideration for this device since it’s primarily meant to be used in the privacy of home (or maybe that isn’t known?). I’ve never cared about looking silly when I’m by myself or around family. Am I unusual in that regard?