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How accurate is screen auto turn on feature?
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I will be very surprised if Apple successfully pull this feature off. Like voice recognition i think we will have to get used to it working most of the time.
It's easy to make this work pretty much 100%.
But of course technical challenge in a few ways to make it work.
The only way to make this work is the single and only way we, as humans know if anyone it looking at us.
We look at their eyes.
If there eyes are pointed directly at us, we know we are being looked at.
As far as I know, there is no other way.
But of course technical challenge in a few ways to make it work.
The only way to make this work is the single and only way we, as humans know if anyone it looking at us.
We look at their eyes.
If there eyes are pointed directly at us, we know we are being looked at.
As far as I know, there is no other way.
What?
Technology isn't bound by the limits of human senses like the awareness of people are. Technology can see and act on things we can't and provide accurate and specific details about some sort of "awareness" (like orientation, direction, and tilt). The big difference is that the data is used to make logical guesses based on info fed to a forumla vs the complexities of the human mind which works in other ways.
Interesting words, though I'm afraid I don't get your point.
Can you please try and explain to me, how else it is possible for anything to know that I am looking at it, without looking at the direction my eyes are pointing?
Remember, my head may be pointing at you, and I could only be 1 foot away from you, but you will see, by looking at my eyes that I am either directly looking at you, or looking past you over your shoulder to one side.
Please explain, how else you, or anything would know that I am looking directly as you?
Thank you.
It's clear from the video they clearly have passion for making a difference in the world.
You want perfect software? You're going to have to find another planet sorry.
Maybe you're paying for it but it hasn't had a huge impact to me man.
Nothing is clear from the video.
All we know is what we see on the screen.
I am not for one moment suggesting this is the case, however, just to drag back to reality for one second.
That whole video "could" of been played by actors, and completely make up, just like an advertisement, scripted, rehearsed just for the video to promote a product.
I'm not saying it is, however, we, watching that would have no idea, and it would look just the same as it does.
Just remember to keep both feet on the ground at all time when watching anything that you know is a hardware company showing you official video's, or releasing statements that are all geared to sell products to consumers so the company can make money.
You also seem to be fixed on "looking at", but that's not what we're doing here. We are determining orientation relative to one's body (or face, specifically). At the moment technology is not advanced enough to do what you're wanting elegantly.
So it doesn't matter if you are looking at it, but it also doesn't matter for any of my human senses to determine your orientation. Technology "can see" things outside of the human spectrum of sense and with much more detail to rely on those metrics to react. A human is required to focus and see and react - the two idealologoes just are not compatible.
The Watch is bound to your wrist and thus has limited set of orientations based on the position of your body. It can work with metrics like that which are fed into a forumla that is optimized to take into account the factors beyond my sense to determine orientation.
You seem to be typing a lot without saying anything
Orientation of the watch is irrelevant. there are a million things I could be doing with my hands and arms, that place the watch into any position, but that does not mean in any of them I am looking at the device wishing to view the screen.
Just because I have a fork in my left hand, pushing the fork into a sausage on my dinner plate, does not mean I wish the watch to turn on as it's in the same orientation as when I do want to look at the watch.
If I was the watch, looking up at my face, I would see you eyes are not pointed at me, they are pointed at the sausage.
What I am saying we need is face and eye tracking.
Both of which are totally possible on devices today.
The watch however does not have a front mounted camera, so even if it had the battery power to keep "looking" it can't do it without having eyes (a camera)
I am sure the watch won't be too bad. it just won't be great either, and there will be many scenarios where you have to keep moving your arm around, due to your position to try and get the screen to come on, or you just give up and press the button on the side.
You seem to be typing a lot without saying anything
Orientation of the watch is irrelevant. there are a million things I could be doing with my hands and arms, that place the watch into any position, but that does not mean in any of them I am looking at the device wishing to view the screen.
Just because I have a fork in my left hand, pushing the fork into a sausage on my dinner plate, does not mean I wish the watch to turn on as it's in the same orientation as when I do want to look at the watch.
If I was the watch, looking up at my face, I would see you eyes are not pointed at me, they are pointed at the sausage.
What I am saying we need is face and eye tracking.
Both of which are totally possible on devices today.
The watch however does not have a front mounted camera, so even if it had the battery power to keep "looking" it can't do it without having eyes (a camera)
I am sure the watch won't be too bad. it just won't be great either, and there will be many scenarios where you have to keep moving your arm around, due to your position to try and get the screen to come on, or you just give up and press the button on the side.
You're speaking as if technology is bound by the limits of human senses. It is not, but that's irrelevant.
But also, we are talking about the orientation of the watch relative to your body. It's different than just general orientation because Apple is targeting your face. It isn't perfect, but a false positive is much better than it not turning on.
I simply am not grasping what you mean, but suggesting the watch is not "bound by the limits of human senses"
You seem to be suggesting there is some magical, beyond us physical humans way, or knowing the user is looking at the watch.
Are you suggesting some telepathic mind reading being done by the watch?
I'm open to anything, but you really need to explain what you mean, not just say it's some mystical magical way that humans can't do.
No.
I am saying there are alternative ways to determine states than just how the human senses. But specifically in this instance: The watch does not see you looking at it, but it does know when it is aimed your face by its orientation relative to your body, and thus will turn on. There may be instances in which you look and it isn't pointed towards your face, but in that instance you need to shift your arm and direction it towards your face, or take a second hand to click the crown. There may be instances in which you lift you arm while doing other things and the watch happens to be at your face and turns on resulting in a false positive, you can simply ignore.
I admit there might be problems, but in your instance with cameras, how does the watch know you're looking at it in darkness? Or with sunglasses? Then you just wouldn't get the screen on at all.
When I wore an Android watch (LG G watch), the raise-to-turn-on-screen feature worked pretty well, actually, so I can't see Apple having too much trouble making it work. Again, I'll be dependent on how quickly or slowly people raise their arms and/or turn their wrists, but it worked pretty well for me most of the time.
I'd RATHER it be too sensitive than me have to wait and shake my wrist around like a moron when I need to know the time quickly. Besides, if it accidentally turns on when not intended, ta-da it will be showing a watch face..... like a normal watch would.
My hope would be they can eventually get good enough battery and screen tech to leave it on all the time at lower brightness and just fade up brighter when I lift my wrist.
Apple is very clever, they know people like you will believe anything they say and that's worked well for them. They also understand that those who get lucky and have Apple products without issues will assume they're all good, you're the ideal Apple customer.
Assuming will mislead you. No where ever have I posted I want perfect software it's not possible. However I do expect consistency from Apple. They're perfectly capable, therefore when the fail to live up to the standard they themselves have set only Apple excuse makers will let them slide.
As you become more experienced with Apple this will all make sense.
Yes, the vast majority of users get defective products from Apple; only the rare few will not experience issues.
My observation is based on the many responses of Apple users both here in this forum and in others. This in combination with my personal experience with over 20 Apple laptops and lots of desktops bought since 1991.Yes, the vast majority of users get defective products from Apple; only the rare few will not experience issues.
At one point in Apple's history they went for years delivering excellent quality and performance. A commendable record of consistency.
Then over the last few years the consistency has declined, quality and performance have as well, but only on some. A situation that as you'll likely remember Apple addressed as it leaked a rumor that Apple's goal for iOS 9 IS to improve its quality. If true then every buyer will have a trouble free product.
I wonder if there will be a setting or if it will be intelligent (depending on the screen technology i guess) to not turn on the backlight under different lighting conditions.
Coming from Pebble, this significantly helps the battery life, however, i know the eink is completely different. Not sure if without the BL if the watch face is even readable.
Coming from Pebble, this significantly helps the battery life, however, i know the eink is completely different. Not sure if without the BL if the watch face is even readable.