dylin
macrumors 6502a
This. I feel that if you are into widget (not that its a bad thing) i feel that that particular feature meant you spend time on your homescreen more than anything.
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How Apple Could Make the Move to 4.7" iPhone Displays
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This. I feel that if you are into widget (not that its a bad thing) i feel that that particular feature meant you spend time on your homescreen more than anything.
jrswizzle
macrumors 603
How Apple Could Make the Move to 4.7" iPhone Displays
I don't get why people have such a hard time with this.
Releasing a 4.7" device (or even a 5.5" one) in no way invalidates the point that the 4" size is perfect (best) for one-handed use.
In the case of larger devices, I'd assume Apple will be honest. Something like "while one-handed use is important to many, some would rather sacrifice that ability for a larger more immersive display. The iPhone 6 provides....blah blah blah"
Not that big a deal.
Similar to how they addressed the plastic iPhone 5C. "Ya it's plastic and it's a better plastic."
I don't get why people have such a hard time with this.
Releasing a 4.7" device (or even a 5.5" one) in no way invalidates the point that the 4" size is perfect (best) for one-handed use.
In the case of larger devices, I'd assume Apple will be honest. Something like "while one-handed use is important to many, some would rather sacrifice that ability for a larger more immersive display. The iPhone 6 provides....blah blah blah"
Not that big a deal.
Similar to how they addressed the plastic iPhone 5C. "Ya it's plastic and it's a better plastic."
dylin
macrumors 6502a
My concern would be, who would want to put a blu-ray or 1080p on their phone. The file size alone is gigantic. A 720 file is already about 1/3 of it 1080p counterpart.
Apparently everyone ever. Oh, yeah, they also want to stream FullHD from the cloud over LTE for some stupid reason.
Not sure this analyst's view is worth a news article.
With a bit of maths (not component engineering), it's theoretically possible to keep the iPhone width the same as the 5S even with a 4.7" screen. I wish they would.
A novice like me (see quote) gave this view over 2 months ago... but I'd put money on my pixel dimensions rather than his (not that there's much difference aside from the 2 months!!)
With a bit of maths (not component engineering), it's theoretically possible to keep the iPhone width the same as the 5S even with a 4.7" screen. I wish they would.
LordVic
Cancelled
not to mention most of us who have 1080p content on our phones don't just put uncompressed lossless 30gb bluerays.
a good quality h264 for your phone can easily be 1.5gb per movie. with todays standard sizes of storage on devices, thats really not that bad. you can easily fit several movies on 16gb, or 32gb
MAYBE Samsung.. boy it must pain you to accept that Samsung makes billions and billions of dollars each quarter...
Michael Scrip
macrumors G3
Exactly.
Anyone who has ever purchased a phone larger than 4" has already decided what they need in a phone.
The people who buy the Galaxy Note, or any large phone, clearly aren't buying them to use with one hand. There are other things that are more important to them.
I'm hoping Apple keeps making 4" models... in addition to 4.7" models. It wouldn't be too unusual... they already have 2 sizes of iPads.
Easy Now! I only put it that way because I have not seen their profitability on smart phones specifically. Samsung makes Billions but they are into so many different markets from screens, chips, Refrigerators, etc.. I have heard they are the only company other than apple that is profitable on phones just haven't seen the numbers.
TouchMint.com
macrumors 68000
Really hoping and praying they go with 1280x2272 (doubled like the 3s to 4) and just use that for the 4.7 and the 5.5inch. That would be the easiest for developers and i doubt consumers would notice much.
jrswizzle
macrumors 603
They are - Apple owns just shy of 60% of smartphone profits, Samsung owns the other 40%+.
Everyone else loses money.
As a comparison to how much profit per device though, the new GS5 has a BOM cost of just over $237 I believe - $30 more than the iPhone 5S. Both go for similar on-contract and off-contract prices (though carriers are pushing bogo free for the GS5 - my guess is so they don't repeat the GS4's somewhat disappointing sales numbers).
What is future proof, 400+ dpi or 4K resolution on a little less than 5" screen? That's a dumbest thing that Apple would do: adding useless resolution to the screen to drain more battery with 0 benefit. I really don't want anything more than retina display. Save that extra pixel/resolution for something like TV or monitor, not iPhone or iPad.
i think ipad has a lot of wasted space. they say that they optimised apps for ipad, but because the apps are pretty much copied from iphone there is nothing new that ipad apps can offer in addition to iphone apps.
the idea of mobile phones was to get smaller and smaller, to the point where you could like wear on on your wrist like a watch. and now there are phones like that. there are mobile phones in a size of a watch.
now the phones got more like a computer in your pocket when you are not at home. at home you have a computer, like a laptop or a mac. but when you are not at home you have a computer in your pocket.
now people have this idea to make mobile phones bigger, with bigger screen. what for? i need it to be small so i could carry it with me. if you want a phone with big screen get ipad mini 2/1 lte with sim card and install phone application on it. and make and receive calls, along with sms. not a big deal anymore.
the thing that i still want in a laptop is a touch screen, siri and a sim card slot so i can use it to make calls, send sms, and have internet if i want to. it is easy to to from technology stand point. but at the moment they still didnt make it. retina display on macbook, ok nice, but what about the touch screen? what about sim card in my computer? where is siri with proper speach and proper speach recognition? and all the other stuff. when will i be able to run iphone apps on my mac?
when i pad first came out, before it came out that is, i thought ipad would be a mac with only screen that would run mac and you will be able to run iphone apps on it. but what they did is they took ipod touch, made it big screen and optimised same apps for that large ipad screen. pice of ****. apple, common. why wase time on this pointless device? that would be alright if it was as an options in addition to mac with single display, and proper mac on it. i do not even know who the ipad is for. may be for people that do not want a computer.
the idea of mobile phones was to get smaller and smaller, to the point where you could like wear on on your wrist like a watch. and now there are phones like that. there are mobile phones in a size of a watch.
now the phones got more like a computer in your pocket when you are not at home. at home you have a computer, like a laptop or a mac. but when you are not at home you have a computer in your pocket.
now people have this idea to make mobile phones bigger, with bigger screen. what for? i need it to be small so i could carry it with me. if you want a phone with big screen get ipad mini 2/1 lte with sim card and install phone application on it. and make and receive calls, along with sms. not a big deal anymore.
the thing that i still want in a laptop is a touch screen, siri and a sim card slot so i can use it to make calls, send sms, and have internet if i want to. it is easy to to from technology stand point. but at the moment they still didnt make it. retina display on macbook, ok nice, but what about the touch screen? what about sim card in my computer? where is siri with proper speach and proper speach recognition? and all the other stuff. when will i be able to run iphone apps on my mac?
when i pad first came out, before it came out that is, i thought ipad would be a mac with only screen that would run mac and you will be able to run iphone apps on it. but what they did is they took ipod touch, made it big screen and optimised same apps for that large ipad screen. pice of ****. apple, common. why wase time on this pointless device? that would be alright if it was as an options in addition to mac with single display, and proper mac on it. i do not even know who the ipad is for. may be for people that do not want a computer.
Another solution could be 1080p with a virtual resolution of 640x360 @3x. So non optimized apps are letterboxed (like from 640p to 720p) and with assets resized (from 720p to 1080p). Optimized apps look a little bigger, with more real estate and more crisp. Too complicated? 🙂
Cloudsurfer
macrumors 65816
Have you ever used a 5" 1080p display? The image is gorgeous and razor sharp. The dpi on the iPhone 5 feels old and outdated compared to many of the competitors.
Boomish69
macrumors 6502
lol so true, years I go I was posting here about how insane it is for Apple not to make larger display, and got shouted down so many times...the same people are now lapping up all the hype..to late to capture back all that market share they lost to bigger smart phones!
I will buy one the day pre-order comes out🙂 ...I held off upgrading with a 4 now a secondhand 4s, I refused to buy a 5..
johnnyturbouk
macrumors 68000
ok thats 1 person down, vs how many deserters returning back from android, having originally left due to the paucity of screen real estate 😀
Dave.UK
macrumors 65816
I love how some people think that as soon as Apple release a larger screen phone millions of people who went to Android will come flooding back.
Sure, some may come back, just they same way as some may go from Apple to Android.
lordofthereef
macrumors G5
Diagonally, yes, it is only about 17%. Total screen real estate is increased by about 38%, though. That's a rather large leap.
You don't have to *double* the pixels.
The virtual points system and the scaling involved in Retina displays isn't predicated on doubling the number of pixels. It's predicated on whole-number multiples of pixels.
It's not that 2x is double the number of pixels from non-Retina displays, it's just that 2 is the first multiplier up from 1.
In other words, the next logical multiplier to keep a 4.7" or 5.07" display's pixels small enough to still be considered scientifically in the "Retina" size range would be 3x.
Meaning today's 1136 x 640 screen goes to 1704 x 960.
That screen resolution keeps all current apps functioning properly and requires only new assets and no code changes to make them "retina sharp" for a new screen (sound familiar?) -- actually an easier proposition for developers than it was to go from 1x to 2x.
The pixel density, according to my calculations, with an @3x Retina display/scaling:
4.7" screen : 416ppi
5.07" screen: 385ppi
at @4x, both numbers are over 500ppi. That's likely not going to happen in 2014 because of memory and energy considerations.
The virtual points system and the scaling involved in Retina displays isn't predicated on doubling the number of pixels. It's predicated on whole-number multiples of pixels.
It's not that 2x is double the number of pixels from non-Retina displays, it's just that 2 is the first multiplier up from 1.
In other words, the next logical multiplier to keep a 4.7" or 5.07" display's pixels small enough to still be considered scientifically in the "Retina" size range would be 3x.
Meaning today's 1136 x 640 screen goes to 1704 x 960.
That screen resolution keeps all current apps functioning properly and requires only new assets and no code changes to make them "retina sharp" for a new screen (sound familiar?) -- actually an easier proposition for developers than it was to go from 1x to 2x.
The pixel density, according to my calculations, with an @3x Retina display/scaling:
4.7" screen : 416ppi
5.07" screen: 385ppi
at @4x, both numbers are over 500ppi. That's likely not going to happen in 2014 because of memory and energy considerations.
lordofthereef
macrumors G5
Is it the same people? As in you're recognizing user names?
I'm not trying to patronize, but I hear this said often about any given thing on a forum. My memory is certainly not good enough to remember who, exactly, said one thing or another a few years ago. But, to be honest, my memory in such matters isn't the best. 🙂
Technically, it's about the entire wraparound dimensions, so device thickness figures into it, as well as the bezel.
Practically, there's not much to trim from those numbers.
What a joke of a screen resolution, seriously is incredibly poor next to Android and other devices, even Nokia is making 1080p screens!
And you can see the difference in the screen quality. I think it's good they are joining the 21st century and going bigger, but they have serious issues with their screen resolutions because they don't want to upset devs or fragment the market.
And you can see the difference in the screen quality. I think it's good they are joining the 21st century and going bigger, but they have serious issues with their screen resolutions because they don't want to upset devs or fragment the market.
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