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How can I spy on someone?

GFLPraxis said:
I don't think it's against the rules as (as I understand it) he's talking about installing a keylogger on a computer he legally owns and is run in his own house.
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That almost sounds like the excuse "they are for backup purposes." That said, the whereabouts of the computer and the ownership of it is still up for grabs. Even if that still is the case, family members can still sue each other, and also press legal charges.
 
Sun Baked said:
So you would be perfectly fine with you ISP breaking into your house and installing spyware on your computer?

Because it's in the ISP agreement.
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I just re-read mine, and it's not there. If it were, I wouldn't have signed it.

This is all about expectation of privacy.
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Right, but privacy goes out the window when you make someone else liable for your actions and, unless it's your network and you pay the bills, anything you do makes someone else liable.

A college student in the dorm would get pissed off if the "network administrator and RA" went into his room to do anything to his personal computer. Just because they are network gods, or on the same network.
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If he signed an agreement saying they could, he should be kicking himself, not the RA/admins.

To do this when the police are sniffing around is insanely stupid ... especially if the computer becomes evidence of a crime.
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I don't disagree, but that's not my point.

Even if you are the parent, since some parents have been arrested (or gotten the evidence of crimes tossed) for wiretapping their kids. When there was an expectation of privacy.
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Source?
 
neocell said:
Why? :confused: What are you going to do once you get the "information"? Will it make your life better? Are you invading someone else's privacy based on a hunch? Why don't you just forget about it? If there is some hugely problematic legalities of what's going on with her computer and usage, let the cops know, and you really should be able to talk about it if it has any implications for yourself, or those you love. Take a step back and see if your spying on her is really the right thing to do, or if you're just doing it because you can't be distracted by one of life's pleasures. :confused:
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Yeah, sort of unclear here. If the cops are involved let them handle it. I don't see why you'd really want to help them get someone in your family. Seems like a pretty harsh way to deal with a family problem (Son, I turned your stash over to the cops).

If the objective is to make sure you don't get pinned with blame (say daughter's running a drug trade by computer or son has child porno biz), then 1) make sure nothing on your computer is implicated and 2) take away their computer or internet access.
 
I went with Apple Remote Desktop, and I succeeded in setting it up between my two personal computers. I plan to install the goods on the subject's computer tomorrow.
 
What is it that you're trying to accomplish? :confused:
You know, you could tell us without giving out so much information that we know who you are... Just a general summary... Please :eek:



And BTW, you just bought (and is somehow in your possession, within 24hrs) a $300 program to figure out what she's trying to do?... Hmm...
 
GFLPraxis said:
I don't think it's against the rules as (as I understand it) he's talking about installing a keylogger on a computer he legally owns and is run in his own house.
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It might not be against the rules it's just plain RUDE though. If some one doesn't want some one accessing something over the network cool block the port from that IP, there is no reason at all to spy on some ones private computer usage. I don't know any network administrators that would do this unless they were complete BOFHs.
 
Sun Baked said:
So you would be perfectly fine with you ISP breaking into your house and installing spyware on your computer?

Because it's in the ISP agreement.

This is all about expectation of privacy.

A college student in the dorm would get pissed off if the "network administrator and RA" went into his room to do anything to his personal computer. Just because they are network gods, or on the same network.

To do this when the police are sniffing around is insanely stupid ... especially if the computer becomes evidence of a crime.

Even if you are the parent, since some parents have been arrested (or gotten the evidence of crimes tossed) for wiretapping their kids. When there was an expectation of privacy.
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The expectation of privacy statement strikes me - wiggles the brain. With a little knowledge of spyware and malware- it make sme expect very little privacy on my computer. Sad isn't it?

I wouldn't advocate spying, and I'd be down right sad if anyone used the info gained here for something other than looking in on a relative they are concerned with. That's a noble cause and all (ends justify means thing is sticky), but if folks used this info to say- stalk an old girlfriend, that'd suck.
 
phonemonkey said:
Install linux and learn how to use ethereal. You can monitor the traffic like you need...
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Why install Linux? Ethereal is available for OS X via DarwinPorts and I'm sure it is also available via Fink.
 
Creepy F****er

We live in a surveillance sick world and some creepy perv writes a question like this and a lot of people start jumping to help!? By Orwells big hairy prescient balls this is a depressing start to the day.
 
blaskillet4 said:
And BTW, you just bought (and is somehow in your possession, within 24hrs) a $300 program to figure out what she's trying to do?... Hmm...
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ARD's VNC server is free.
 
This is why I tunnel everything through SSH when I am not on my network :/

But still, not 100% bullet-proof, I still haven't found a good way to take care of keyloggers.

Maybe I should read "Cryptonomicon" once more :)
 
Here's the story for all you curious cats.

My parents got a visit from Child Welfare because my sister had complained to them. My parents are perfect and would never do those things my sister had complained about. Her teacher told me that she had some terrible friends. I decided to investigate because yknow, Child Welfare is a serious thing (I referred to em as the "police" earlier).

All I've found out so far with Remote Desktop is that my sister is a MySpace whore and has a emo boyfriend that my parents don't know about.
 
ahhh spying on siblings

heh my brothers computer was freezing up so he asked me to fix it.... needless to say there was a lot of porn on that sucker.


not the first time ive found porn on someone's computer i was fixing. its always awkward when it opens and you have a hot blonde on the screen and the person who owns the computer walks in. and it makes it even more weird when you've grown up with her.

wow that was a little awkward.
 
I could be wrong about this, but the OP seems young and immature and seems to be a bit of a drama queen to post this type of request.

Spying on your family in any form is a violation of privacy and is pretty sad.

Your family must be a in sad state if you need to spy on your family members to find out what is going on, what ever happened to communication, dealing with a problem directly, and getting some form of resolution?

If you already have law enforcement involved in a family matters then you have major family problems that won't be solved by spying on a family members computer.

Maybe my family is unique, as the oldest of five brothers in a close knit family, we have too much love, respect and trust for each other to do something as lame as spying or breaking into each others computers, just seems kind of deceitful and lame.

Whatever happened to family first?
 
goodtimes5 said:
Here's the story for all you curious cats.

My parents got a visit from Child Welfare because my sister had complained to them. My parents are perfect and would never do those things my sister had complained about. Her teacher told me that she had some terrible friends. I decided to investigate because yknow, Child Welfare is a serious thing (I referred to em as the "police" earlier).

All I've found out so far with Remote Desktop is that my sister is a MySpace whore and has a emo boyfriend that my parents don't know about.
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How come you don't let you parents deal with her, what has it really got to do with you? If you sister has issues with the family spying on her isn't really going to help, what are you going to do use this information against her? This is as lame as someone reading someone elses diary. I think you should see Laceros post on the subject right at the begining of this thread! It might be time for someone to lay down the smack law, and BTW if you were my kid I'd give you a clip around the ear for taking matters in to your own hands. This isn't the wild west, and it isn't the 18th century!

Also I dunno if you really should be calling your sister a whore, um how old are you? 13?
 
risc said:
How come you don't let you parents deal with her, what has it really got to do with you? If you sister has issues with the family spying on her isn't really going to help, what are you going to do use this information against her? This is as lame as someone reading someone elses diary. I think you should see Laceros post on the subject right at the begining of this thread! It might be time for someone to lay down the smack law, and BTW if you were my kid I'd give you a clip around the ear for taking matters in to your own hands. This isn't the wild west, and it isn't the 18th century!

Also I dunno if you really should be calling your sister a whore, um how old are you? 13?
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i go with risc on this one.

but i will say this, things will happen no matter what you do or do not do. I know this for a fact as my fiance and i met on the internet and dated for 2 years, without her parents knowing and trying to limit her time online. And now her mother knows and is ok with it. Things are going to happen no matter what you do. Don't do something stupid that will ruin your relationship with your sister. It isn't worth it. Your sister should be one of the most important things in your life, take care of her. Don't control her and be over protective. Just make sure she is ok.
 
I could be wrong about this, but the OP seems young and immature and seems to be a bit of a drama queen to post this type of request.

Spying on your family in any form is a violation of privacy and is pretty sad.

"Your family must be a in sad state if you need to spy on your family members to find out what is going on, what ever happened to communication, dealing with a problem directly, and getting some form of resolution?

If you already have law enforcement involved in a family matters then you have major family problems that won't be solved by spying on a family members computer.

Maybe my family is unique, as the oldest of five brothers in a close knit family, we have too much love, respect and trust for each other to do something as lame as spying or breaking into each others computers, just seems kind of deceitful and lame.

Whatever happened to family first?"


seems you've had a pretty peachy family life, but others aren't so lucky. If you don't understand a situation (especially one with child welfare and a deceitful, brainwashed teenager involved, and the fear of losing your sister or your parents or both) don't judge. Some people don't communicate well, some don't communicate at all. period. I know I had very serious problems as a teenager, and put my parents through hell. no matter how hard they tried, i felt they couldn't understand what i was dealing with, and often just ran away from the problem. had it not been for my friends and siblings intervening in less than ordinary ways, i may have come to some dire ends... It took that for me to realize the path i was on and reverse it... now i am blessed with a wonderful family situation (not without speedbumps of course).

It just bothers me that you jump in with personal attacks and presumptions when you have absolutely NO IDEA of the history of this family or its background. don't be a prick. some parents can't get through no matter how great they are...

ever heard of neccessary evils?

to the original poster:

If this situation is indeed what you claim it to be... be very careful with what you are doing. you should be concerned for your sister not just out to get her for what she may or may not be doing to your parents... I assure you they probably have nothing but concern for her... I understand what it's like to have a loved one drift away and seem to lose control, but unless she is getting into dangerous situations it is hopefully jsut a phase and you should let her get through it. as far as your parents... chances are the welfare coppers will investigate and see that you and the rest of your family are well and healthy and figure out that your sister is being a crazy teenager. Don't panic and do something you might regret. I hated my sister as a kid, and now i couldn't live without her. be careful about how you present any information that you have about her activities, as it may serve only to degrade her trust in you even further...

just my opinion,
technocoy
 
seems you've had a pretty peachy family life, but others aren't so lucky. If you don't understand a situation (especially one with child welfare and a deceitful, brainwashed teenager involved, and the fear of losing your sister or your parents or both) don't judge. Some people don't communicate well, some don't communicate at all. period. I know I had very serious problems as a teenager, and put my parents through hell. no matter how hard they tried, i felt they couldn't understand what i was dealing with, and often just ran away from the problem. had it not been for my friends and siblings intervening in less than ordinary ways, i may have come to some dire ends... It took that for me to realize the path i was on and reverse it... now i am blessed with a wonderful family situation (not without speedbumps of course).

It just bothers me that you jump in with personal attacks and presumptions when you have absolutely NO IDEA of the history of this family or its background. don't be a prick. some parents can't get through no matter how great they are...

ever heard of neccessary evils?

to the original poster:

If this situation is indeed what you claim it to be... be very careful with what you are doing. you should be concerned for your sister not just out to get her for what she may or may not be doing to your parents... I assure you they probably have nothing but concern for her... I understand what it's like to have a loved one drift away and seem to lose control, but unless she is getting into dangerous situations it is hopefully jsut a phase and you should let her get through it. as far as your parents... chances are the welfare coppers will investigate and see that you and the rest of your family are well and healthy and figure out that your sister is being a crazy teenager. Don't panic and do something you might regret. I hated my sister as a kid, and now i couldn't live without her. be careful about how you present any information that you have about her activities, as it may serve only to degrade her trust in you even further...

just my opinion,
technocoy
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Blah, blah, blah...Read the original post, all your long winded assumptions still miss the point, if you have to resort to spying on your family members instead of communicating with them, then something has gone wrong with the way your family faces and deals with problems.

I have been through incredibly difficult problems and situations with my brothers (gangs, drug addiction, car accidents, homelessness, unemployment, to name a few) and never had to resort to spying on them.

"Necessary Evils"? Who decides what is "necessary"? Thank God nobody like you was is in my family to decide what is a "necessary evil" and what is in my "best interests" without really confronting me on the problem.
 
Congratulations Original Poster,

You successfully one-uped your sister in doing something completely immature. Oh, and I bet your sister appreciates you calling her a whore, even if it's a common phrase for someone who is obessed with that type of online relationships.

Learn some respect.
 
again...

different strokes for different folks.. once again you assume to know the situation.

just because your family was always able to talk about everything doesn't mean his is... yes, it could be that there has been somekind of breakdown, but it's not going to fix itself overnight, most likely.

as far as being in your family, you don't know me, and you might quite like me, if given the chance.

I also never said that the core of your argument was wrong, in fact, i rather agree that if at all necessay he shouldn't be spying on her, but we don't know about his families situation enough to judge him, his maturity, or his family's integrity.

some people are closed by nature... period. it's not how sweet and nurturing you parents were that always dictates your emotions or reactions to situations. This girl might just be refusing any attempts at help as well as rebelling even more the harder they try.

it was your offensive approach i found bothersome.

sorry if you were offended.
 
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