Understandable, don't want to upgrade when you lose something. That's not an upgrade in my books. Maybe with 10.9.1, they'll fix that. Also, thanks for what?
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How can we avoid the cloud?
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Understandable, don't want to upgrade when you lose something. That's not an upgrade in my books. Maybe with 10.9.1, they'll fix that. Also, thanks for what?
Understandable, don't want to upgrade when you lose something. That's not an upgrade in my books. Maybe with 10.9.1, they'll fix that. Also, thanks for what?
Heh. Thanks for reminding me about Dropbox....lol. Also, you give responses which even *I* can sort of understand.
So are you saying that with the latest iTunes (and Mavericks) that when I plug in my iPhone (or iPad) to my Mac it will not sync my contacts or calendar in either direction? I can only do it through the "cloud"? That's dumb.
Heh. Thanks for reminding me about Dropbox....lol. Also, you give responses which even *I* can sort of understand.
Oh, no problem then. Glad I could help.
And there's no other alternatives?? Apple charges for iCloud also right? Not that I would ever use it. If I had my way the NSA and similar agencies would not even exist. But that's just me. I care about my privacy.
Run your own server and host your own mail, calendars, and contacts through your own server. I have been doing this for years. That is an alternative, or using and exchange server to host your information. Just syncing through USB doesn't guarantee privacy as once you connect to the net or cellular network your data is being transmitted usually.
ICloud is only charged for if you want extra storage in excess of the provided 5 GB from Apple.
I don't have the money to do that. What I'm saying is that it doesn't make sense to have to go through iCloud (or any "cloud" server) to sync my contacts, calendars and such. It's things like this that shows little by little "cloud" based transmission of a persons life will soon be something people will be required to have. Maybe even by law. Taking away privacy in the name of "security" and such is morally corrupt. Makes me want to get rid of my Mac and iPhone and such. Delete my email account, facebook, etc. But even if I only had a house phone and sent things through "snail mail" the government could tap my phone and read my mail. It's a disgusting, frightening world we live in.
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You stated were there no alternatives and I offered them. The server software is an add-on that costs $20 and nothing else is required other than that, so expenses are not what they used to be when running a server.
I agree that everything is leaning the way of the cloud and I am not happy about that but at least in the interim there are alternatives.
Well the "interim" will soon be taken away. Power in the wrong hands is an un-measureable evil. Besides even if I had my own email server, sending messages to and from such server still goes through the internet "highway". So it wouldn't matter.
So by syncing through USB nothing you use ever goes through the Internet as well?
Just using your internet on your device and calling, texting, and emailing are doing the same. How does that keep your privacy. When you make a call your information is going out over the airwaves as well. Even most landline calls are going over the Internet at some point as well, so your privacy was sacrificed years ago by your cell, phone, cable, and various other utility companies.
If I sync through USB is should not go through the internet. In any event you're right. Privacy has long been extinct but that doesn't make it right. Instead of pushing back against such evil we embrace it like idiots. Now seemingly there's no stopping it.
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I find conversations like this hilarious.
I could really care less if NSA is spying on me. So google has my email? I don't care.
As long as my messages don't end up on the news or something I truly could care less.
I mean how does it really affect you?
I find conversations like this hilarious.
I could really care less if NSA is spying on me. So google has my email? I don't care.
As long as my messages don't end up on the news or something I truly could care less.
I mean how does it really affect you?
Where it affects me is when my information gets sold and I get tons of unwarranted and unwanted spam, texts, and calls since my information has been compromised and not to mention hits against my credit and identity theft attempts.
I am not worried so much about the government usage as they are not generally stupid enough to publish my information and it's usage concerns unless warranted, it is the other sources that are purchasing and selling the information purely for their profit. Which I see as a real concern.
Hope that sufficiently answers your question. Not that I really care about your response as I can see you have already set your mind on things and closed it down to anything you don't agree with.
I have a consulting business, and some of my clients are fortune 500 companies. I had to sign non-disclosure agreements with them regarding their company data. A lot of my contacts and calendar entries are technically their data.
Have any of you who "don't care" or feel like it's hopeless to limit cloud access, seen a Calendar entry for a business meeting? A lot of those contain data that are confidential for those companies. If synced that data to a third party "cloud", I can be sued.
How about we get back to finding a solution? For those who don't care about privacy, or just ready to give up without even trying, we get your point. It doesn't mean everyone to agree with you guys. Start another thread in the politics section or something. Let's go back to the OP's question: How to avoid the cloud?
Thank you.
Have any of you who "don't care" or feel like it's hopeless to limit cloud access, seen a Calendar entry for a business meeting? A lot of those contain data that are confidential for those companies. If synced that data to a third party "cloud", I can be sued.
How about we get back to finding a solution? For those who don't care about privacy, or just ready to give up without even trying, we get your point. It doesn't mean everyone to agree with you guys. Start another thread in the politics section or something. Let's go back to the OP's question: How to avoid the cloud?
Thank you.
Probably because it's already been answered a ton of times.
Question:
> How do I work around missing SyncService in Mavericks?
Answers:
> Buy and use OS X Server ($20) - see bottom of features page
> Use some other server you have that supports CardDAV, CalDAV, or Exchange ActiveSync protocols
> Use a 3rd party Email/Cal/Contact application/suit that supports wired syncing via a companion app on whatever devices you're syncing to
> Wait for 3rd party sync solution (I believe I've heard that iSync is working on something)
> Downgrade to ML
> Run ML in a VM or a second install solely for the purpose of syncing
> Switch to Windows/Linux because you realize Apple is moving everything to the cloud and dumbing all it's apps down to suit the lowest common denominator
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What am I talking about? I'm talking about irrational dudes who somehow imagine that the cloud is inherently dangerous, yet at the same time blindly use their devices to connect to the internet, safe and secure in the knowledge that all their data and privacy is safe. Which it most certainly is not. Look at what Ed Snowden has been saying. Look at what the USA has been doing with national leaders' phone calls. Look at what the Chinese are embedding in their router firmware. Look at what the Russians have been installing into USB chargers... Confused enough?
Anyone who is scared by using an internet service that just happens to have a 'cloudy' name should be scared by a million other things that aren't so obvious. Including the basic operation of their phones.
You guys should look into Owncloud if you want a nice alternative to "their-cloud" data hosting and syncing. It is a roll-your own drop box alternative, open source and easy to set up. All you would need is a hosted vps somewhere and voila.
Our company uses this and really likes it. We really don't want to have our customers' data on dropbox servers and the like.
Our company uses this and really likes it. We really don't want to have our customers' data on dropbox servers and the like.
Then you'll have no problem with it if it's mandated that you must have a gov't monitored webcam in each room of your home.
I still don't see how a third party hosted vps is any different than Dropbox itself?? If you are hosting the vas on your servers then this makes sense, but I don't see how using a third party fps is any better or more secure than Dropbox. The idea is to contra, your data, but giving it to someone else to control (even if it is a vas) defeats that purpose as you are at their mercy for backups and uptime assurances.
W0lf, thanks. Could you be a bit more explicit about your server solution or PM me and others? I am a bit of a dummy regarding things deeper in the OS, but not an idiot either. Not quite sure how to set this up. Do you need an additional computer?
Besides, I am really surprised about the variety of opinions in this thread. In fact nobody is being forced to avoid the cloud, and those people not disgusted by NSA's etc. crimes are free to do what they like to do. But please let others discuss this matter. Yes, any internet connection is a risk, but there are ways to maximize the risks also. I deleted two google mail accounts and deleted dropbox (also an NSA-compromised company) from my apps even though I never had any serious information in it.
Gratefully, 1Password re-established offline syncing between Macs and iPad/iPhone which was gone for a while. Bravo to them!
The server is an add-on for the current Mac OS. It doesn't require another dedicated machine but it is nice if you want to truly pst your open and have it running and available 24/7. The add-on is purchased through the App store and can be a bit daunting if not familiar with networking and server administration, although the newer versions are pretty much plug and play in comparison with older versions such as SL and prior. Also if you are not familiar with dns or static IPs provided by your ISP then you may have a hard time getting everything correctly pushed to the internet and back into the server.
As for the risks, I think you want to minimize the risks and not maximize them. It can be done easily enough, but I would do a little more research before jumping into it and spending the money for the add-on only to come back here in a few days complaining that you wasted the money or Apple ripped you off. The NSA thing is a concern but they have solicited and hacked most major fortune 500 companies,so I would;t worry about your data so much.
If you're interested in OS X server you should probably check out this guys videos. http://www.youtube.com/user/tolthoff/videos