How did Apple mess up the headphone skip?

[VSMacOne]

Yes I get its beta but at some point they should be moving forward with fixes not backwards. Let's not always give apple the beta free pass for everything.

That's exactly what we need to do. Your attitude shows you're probably not a developer. There are different areas of focus for each beta. Different betas have different issues. If you read the release notes you would know Apple intends for developers to focus on different areas of the OS with each beta. Yours is a very childish attitude because Apple has no obligations to anybody during the beta process. That's why beta devices are specifically not covered under warranty. When the GM is released that's when you can stop giving Apple a free pass on bugs.

 

[bbfc]

Ok, that statement tells me you're not a developer. I don't mean this in a snarky way at all I'm just simply explaining:

In development, critical bugs are always first to get fixed. When they get fixed you will get new bugs, there is no way around it. Critical bugs are anything that is crash related, security related, or keeps the program from functioning at all.

Something like headphones are not considered showstopping by any means and the bug is likely caused by some type of rewrite of core functionality. Once that core functionality is working correctly anything it affected will be fixed.

As for not giving apple the free beta pass, you have to. There's no other option. Its a beta not a release which means they are building the final version, ironing out all of the bugs and getting the release version ready for the public.

Getting mad at Apple for a beta bug is kind of silly because the final product is still being built.

Well said!

 

[Bobby Corwen]

That's exactly what we need to do. Your attitude shows you're probably not a developer. There are different areas of focus for each beta. Different betas have different issues. If you read the release notes you would know Apple intends for developers to focus on different areas of the OS with each beta. Yours is a very childish attitude because Apple has no obligations to anybody during the beta process. That's why beta devices are specifically not covered under warranty. When the GM is released that's when you can stop giving Apple a free pass on bugs.

I think minus all the aggression, the answer to your question is somewhere in this paragraph OP, that and the fact that changed code in one place can affect code in another.

As for everyone being overly intense about it being a beta, its because many other people post ill-placed criticisms in general that are due to it being beta and not a general OS design concern. So they are a bit edgy about the topic.

Forgive them...

 

[iCarabma]

Peeves Petted

There is this belief, and I've seen it here an elsewhere, that Apple is failing iOS 7 users because of the buggy nature of the beta.

And, honestly, it's at least partly Apple's fault. Making Siri a public beta for so long, while at the same time using it as a selling point, has muddled what "beta" truly means. People think beta's should work. That it's just a word to CYA.

This is a true Beta. And it's a private one at that. This is not ready for prime time. They wrote a tremendous amount of new code. When you write code you get bugs, when you write code to fix bugs it often causes new bugs. Think of it like a leaky dam. When you plug a leak, another springs. That's why the roll out new Betas every couple of weeks.

They did not "Mess up the headphone skip" they fixed something else and that code had an unexpected effect. But the whole idea of a beta is the you expect unexpected effects. Now they will fix this.

And another thing. When they fix things and people post "APPLE FINALLY FIXED....". Oh you mean that thing that is weeks away from launch is "finally" fixed?

I think that iOS 7 being so new has caused a bunch of people who would never otherwise use a beta to install it. And that's not particularly helpful.

 

[bbfc]

There is this belief, and I've seen it here an elsewhere, that Apple is failing iOS 7 users because of the buggy nature of the beta.

And, honestly, it's at least partly Apple's fault. Making Siri a public beta for so long, while at the same time using it as a selling point, has muddled what "beta" truly means. People think beta's should work. That it's just a word to CYA.

This is a true Beta. And it's a private one at that. This is not ready for prime time. They wrote a tremendous amount of new code. When you write code you get bugs, when you write code to fix bugs it often causes new bugs. Think of it like a leaky dam. When you plug a leak, another springs. That's why the roll out new Betas every couple of weeks.

I think that iOS 7 being so new has caused a bunch of people who would never otherwise use a beta to install it. And that's not particularly helpful.

The issue with Siri was that it was available to use on the 4S without any special way of installing it - it was there to use. Anyone could use it, and I bet most didn't realise it was a beta. Installing the iOS 7 Beta is not really a *simple* task (unless you are a developer) and requires downloading the iPSW and installing it through iTunes. I find it odd that people who have no idea what they are doing (or don't realise its a beta) are downloading and installing it.

 

[VSMacOne]

I think minus all the aggression, the answer to your question is somewhere in this paragraph OP, that and the fact that changed code in one place can affect code in another.

As for everyone being overly intense about it being a beta, its because many other people post ill-placed criticisms in general that are due to it being beta and not a general OS design concern. So they are a bit edgy about the topic.

Forgive them...

It wasn't my intention to be aggressive. I was just making an observation based on the OP's statement.

 

[tymaster50]

The issue with Siri was that it was available to use on the 4S without any special way of installing it - it was there to use. Anyone could use it, and I bet most didn't realise it was a beta. Installing the iOS 7 Beta is not really a *simple* task (unless you are a developer) and requires downloading the iPSW and installing it through iTunes. I find it odd that people who have no idea what they are doing (or don't realise its a beta) are downloading and installing it.

Well it IS illegal but that never stopped anyone before.

 

[bbfc]

Well it IS illegal but that never stopped anyone before.

I never mentioned the legality of it all. People can do what they want but they need to know the consequences of installing beta software - there will be issues, and it will crash. Coming on here to blast Apple for allowing a beta to be released which breaks the remote on the earphones is totally pointless. It will be fixed in the next beta no doubt.

 

[johnseattle]

Ok, that statement tells me you're not a developer. I don't mean this in a snarky way at all I'm just simply explaining:

In development, critical bugs are always first to get fixed. When they get fixed you will get new bugs, there is no way around it. Critical bugs are anything that is crash related, security related, or keeps the program from functioning at all.

Something like headphones are not considered showstopping by any means and the bug is likely caused by some type of rewrite of core functionality. Once that core functionality is working correctly anything it affected will be fixed.

As for not giving apple the free beta pass, you have to. There's no other option. Its a beta not a release which means they are building the final version, ironing out all of the bugs and getting the release version ready for the public.

Getting mad at Apple for a beta bug is kind of silly because the final product is still being built.

I'm not mad at Apple I just don't see how the most valuable company in the world doesn't get the simple things right first.

 

[Tyler23]

I'm not mad at Apple I just don't see how the most valuable company in the world doesn't get the simple things right first.

This is an issue that came up in the 4th beta. Meaning, it was fine in betas 1-3. Meaning, some code changed for the 4th beta caused this issue. It's not like it's been a glaring problem for the past nearly two months.

These things happen in betas. It's nothing to get worried about. It just came about in the most recent beta. Apple is aware, and by the time iOS 7 is released, it will be fixed.

 

[abshole765]

How did they miss it? Why does it work with some music apps but not other? How did they miss the overlapping of text and arrows while playing music locked on the 4s but the 5 was okay?

 

[VSMacOne]

I'm not mad at Apple I just don't see how the most valuable company in the world doesn't get the simple things right first.

This is not an OFFICIAL software. It's a beta. They can mess up whatever the heck they want as long as developers can build apps and test them on it. How difficult is this to understand?

 

[Krevnik]

I'm not mad at Apple I just don't see how the most valuable company in the world doesn't get the simple things right first.

What seems simple, isn't. Code is a complex tapestry, where you can unravel quite a bit by pulling at the wrong thread. Then you have to spend time re-weaving the piece you just screwed up. There is a reason why we have a specific name for these types of bugs (regressions), they aren't uncommon.

How did they miss it? Why does it work with some music apps but not other? How did they miss the overlapping of text and arrows while playing music locked on the 4s but the 5 was okay?

Who says they even missed it though? The bar for release of a beta is lower than that of a general release. That means, you release knowing what bugs exist, so long as they aren't severe enough to warrant blocking the release. That bar becomes more stringent as time goes on. It isn't yet at the point where they will block on a bug like this. It affects only those using headphones that have the mic controls. That doesn't block a developer at this point. Not when it also only affects Music.app.

 

[jonnyb098]

Probably cause it was beta and they didnt look for that... i hardly use the earphones so i could see how they missed it...

Of course because YOU dont use it they missed it. Come on.

They bundle millions of these things and earpods are waaaaay more popular now that they are of better sound and design.

Of course its a beta but using yourself as the perfect reason for an excuse it ridiculous.

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This is not an OFFICIAL software. It's a beta. They can mess up whatever the heck they want as long as developers can build apps and test them on it. How difficult is this to understand?

Its been fixed for sure. Apple is testing internal GM candidates already since it will need to be bundled on the new iPhone which is no doubt near/in production. What we are seeing in these betas was from weeks ago from Apple's view.

 

[pottyvick]

Of course because YOU dont use it they missed it. Come on.

They bundle millions of these things and earpods are waaaaay more popular now that they are of better sound and design.

Of course its a beta but using yourself as the perfect reason for an excuse it ridiculous.

What i said wasn't meant as an attack. I was simply stating it wasn't critical for this beta. They have to prioritize what they have to do.

 

[chrono1081]

I'm not mad at Apple I just don't see how the most valuable company in the world doesn't get the simple things right first.

It doesn't work that way in development. You need to get the complex things working first then trickle down to the little things. Everything you do affects everything else, so once you get the core working correctly then you can work on the little things.