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There aren't any firsts or mosts about the MBA in the Windows world.

You can buy complete full-featured (and considerably faster) notebooks which weigh just two iPods more. Geniune ultralights in the PC world are lighter, better connected and last longer on battery power, while being a little slower.

However it's your first real ultralight. Personally I think they got the power/life balance wrong.

Thne reason the media go gaga over it is that they are
a) Lazy. Many of them are Apple users and their 'reportage' does not take them past very mainstream or Apple topics.
b) Credulous. Steve is a master of his craft - smoke & mirrors.

a+b = anything Apple releases is a revolution.
 
They probably believe advertising spin is a bad thing. I don't happen to agree. Marketing is an integral part of selling a product, arguably one of the most important parts.

Absolutely. This is especially so when the average consumer out there don't spend time researching their purchases anywhere near what people that subscribe here would do. If they want a new laptop and see Apples advert of the worlds thinnest laptop then they will probably believe it. Especially so when they then go and see it in real life...

If you are not an enthusiast then you will buy into spin. I mean why would I want to research washing up liquid? If they say its a new advanced formula on TV then hey its probably pretty good and I will probably buy it. For me washing liquid is a random choice anyway. Believe it or not guys, allot of people buying laptops do it because they need them to work on and not because they actually want one over a new car/bicycle/whatever...

These kinds of forums are the only place that a consumer can get into a 10 page post about what is ultralight and what is not!

Don't get me wrong, I am enjoying reading the opinions as much as any, and more than some, on here!

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Yes, that Sony laptop was incredible five years ago. However, are Sony still selling laptops this thin?

Did Steve compare the MBA to the thinnest, currently available Sony laptop?

In any case, I still think my 12" PowerBook G4 is smaller than the MBA. To me, portability means a small computer, not a thin one.

The 12" PowerBook remains the most portable Apple laptop that can run Mac OS X.
 
In any case, I still think my 12" PowerBook G4 is smaller than the MBA. To me, portability means a small computer, not a thin one.

The 12" PowerBook remains the most portable Apple laptop that can run Mac OS X.

Thats a question of how you define small. The MBA is certainly 'smaller' than the 12" in volume by about 20% it has been mentioned. It has a 50mm wider footprint than the 12".

It would have been great if Apple would have brought out a 10" version of the MBA I agree. It would not be for me personally as I could not work on it, but it would have given people like you an extra option which is great.

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I am so tired of posts like this.

Please tell me where Apple claimed that this the first time anyone had tried to create an ultra-portable notebook?

Thats right, they didn't. I think many of you are looking far too much into Steve's 'prancing' on the stage and are leading yourselves to believe he said something that he quite clearly didn't.

1. MBA has C2D, running at a decent clock speed. That is a pretty good feat of engineering.

2. The MBA is 0.16" at it's thinnest point. 0.76" at it's thickest. That means that for around 80/90% of the area of the notebook, it is the thinnest one ever made.

3. That is all that Apple have ever claimed. No individual has yet to disprove it. I'm sorry, but showing me a notebook that is 0.75" both at the front and back is not going to make me believe that it is thinner than the MBA, because it is not.

4. Please stop complaining about the MBA as though you are being forced to purchase it. I know that it might be difficult for some of you who were hoping for something a little different to move on, but please do.
 
People also seem to forget that reducing the thickness by even 0.1" when its already impossibly thin is an incredible feat of engineering in itself. Apple has always been right at the cutting edge of what is physically possible with current technology. I presume no one would be crazy enough to think that if Apple could have fitted a DVD drive in the MBA they would not have done so? Same goes for the other features that they did not "bother" to put in there to spite their customers...

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Note: I know Apple is not the only company with incredible engineering talants.
 
The Sony 505 does not conform to Apple's design checklist, and the MacBook Air is in fact the thinnest notebook ever made, if Steve is to be believed.
I agree that the products look similar, although I think most notebooks look pretty much alike.

And of course, the Sony is not made from machined aluminum like the Mac AirBook, which is huge point a lot of people are missing.
The Macbook Air is a premium quality product, like the iMac and Mac Pro, as opposed to the industry standard for using plastic and sheet metal.

Edit: BTW, The design goal for the MBA was not to produce a smaller MB.
It was to produce a thinner and lighter MB with acceptable performance and battery life.
Personally, I think the MBA is a huge success, and I'll probably buy one if I get notebook this year.
 
Umm.. because Apple are good at it?

The media is not this wholesome, naive creature that you think it is. The reality is that Apple and the media are basically working together to manipulate you. Luckily for the world, you're way too SUPER-SMART for them and you weren't fooled. Good job!
 
The Apple spin and hype machine even rivals that of Sony's Entertainment division! ;)

But yes, I agree with the OP, Apple has most people (be it media or consumers) eating from their laps.
 
But with his swager and arrogance on stage, it is clear that he was putting this forth as a world's first. His and Apple's attempted rewritting of history, I do not approve.

How is this any different than the iPod (not the first MP3 player), iPhone (not the first smart phone), iTunes (not the first jukebox software), Mac Mini (not the first small form factor computer), iPhoto (not the first photo organizing software), Final Cut Pro (not the first non-linear editing software), etc.,?


Lethal
 
Here's the deal people...

Ready?

The Macbook Air is the world's thinnest notebook.

Wow. How can this be true, you ask? Well... simple. If you went around the entire world looking to buy a new notebook computer (meaning, currently in production), the Macbook Air is the thinnest of them all.

Unfortunately, if you started thinking about it, you'll realize what the marketing text does NOT say. No where in ANY of the literature or Steve Job's appearances, will you hear him say that the Macbook Air is the thinnest notebook ever made. Maybe you thought you heard it.

Maybe an article?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22668046/ (Nyah.)

How about a live interview?
http://www.cnbc.com/id/22673034 (Nope.)
"This is the new Macbook Air, its the
thinnest notebook in the world."
- Steve Jobs

Maybe he tricked Walt Mossberg into saying it?
http://mossblog.allthingsd.com/20080116/first-impressions-of-apples-macbook-air/ (No dice)

Maybe Ars Technica can ferret out a lie with a spec shoot-out?
http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2008/01/16/macbook-air-spec-shootout (Apparently not)

If you want to wind back the clock and pull a thinner, much smaller notebook out of the ass of time, you're free to do so, but it won't affect Apple's marketing angle. It's all hilarious however, because its certainly not the most feature-rich ultra-portable. Thinnest is really all its got to its name other than multi-touch and OS X (consumers say, "huh?")... and its not all that amazing a feature either, considering the difference in dimensions between others is so slight.

If you were to tweak a few requirements like "screen size" or "full-sized keyboard" or (unreasonably) "trackpad" or "multitouch", you're not going to find a thinner notebook EVER MADE.

Here, go check out Sony Style:
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs...ngId=-1&categoryId=567&parentCategoryId=16154

I've parsed Apple-speak before, to find interesting "dodges" they've made, skirting the English language for a way to say something you might quickly misinterpret in their favor, or find such a subjective assessment as to be wholly unassailable. If Sony or Toshiba wanted to toss the optical drives out of their devices... I'm sure they could possibly one-up Apple on thinnest. Ultimately, I'm not convinced anyone would care.

~ CB
 
2. The MBA is 0.16" at it's thinnest point. 0.76" at it's thickest. That means that for around 80/90% of the area of the notebook, it is the thinnest one ever made.

3. That is all that Apple have ever claimed. No individual has yet to disprove it. I'm sorry, but showing me a notebook that is 0.75" both at the front and back is not going to make me believe that it is thinner than the MBA, because it is not.
Thinner notebooks have been made. You've allowed yourself to be consumed by the reality distortion field. Jobs never said ANYTHING was the "thinnest notebook ever made". It's HIGHLY plausible that he used the phrase "ever made". He simply did not have "thinnest notebook" in front of it, but instead some other feature that you've collapsed into the same statement.
The Sony 505 does not conform to Apple's design checklist, and the MacBook Air is in fact the thinnest notebook ever made, if Steve is to be believed.
I agree that the products look similar, although I think most notebooks look pretty much alike.
Again, RDF victim. If Apple said something that as flatly UNTRUE, this would be false marketing. They do not "qualify" the statement "world's thinnest notebook", they simply SAY it. So, trying to say that this had something to do with "design goals" doesn't cut it (even though Apple's statement remains true).

The last time I remember Apple "pushing" such a statement... can anyone remember it? Here it is. See if this rings a bell.

WORLD'S FASTEST COMPUTER
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2003/jun/23pmg5.html

June 23, 2003... Still on the PowerPC platform, Apple brazenly declares that the Macintosh G5 was the world's fastest computer. So contentious and provokative was their statement, that they felt compelled to qualify it with an asterix. What the statement said sheds a lot of light on how Apple sees its statements.
“World's fastest” based on SPEC CPU 2000 benchmark results and leading professional application performance tests against 3 GHz Pentium 4-based Dell Dimension 8300 and 3.06 GHz Dual Xeon-based Dell Precision 650. SPEC CPU 2000 benchmarks run with GCC 3.3 and independently tested; professional applications tested by Apple, June 2003.
Did Apple go out of their way to find a faster computer in the annals of all time? Nope, they looked at what was currently on the market, benchmarked against them, and found out they had something they could run with.

Same thing here. Again NO BIG DEAL. Is Apple lying? Nope. If you're talking Guinness Book of World Records... then you're dealing with history. If you're marketing a new product hitting the store shelves, then you're comparing that product with things currently being sold by other manufacturers.

~ CB
 
I remember that Sony. I recall seeing them in airports occasionally, so someone was bringing them into the US.

Part of being revolutionary is actually making the revolution work. Otherwise you're just being an instigator :)

The MBA is certainly the thinnest notebook in production and certainly in any mass way. I'm thinking its going to sell more than a few. That then will truly be revolutionary and set the bar for other mobile computing companies. So all and all I can not find fault in anything SJ said. You don't have to be a first with something to start the revolution, you just have to get enough momentum.

Sony has had a lot of interesting early products to market, although may have not been first on the market. Many were successful (Walkman) and some were not (Betamax, MiniDisc, MicroMV video cameras, etc.)

Apple's marketing is simply amazing, no doubt about it. What amazes me as a marketing professional, is how every little detail is thought out in their message. Aesthetics of their web site as an example. Navigate Sony and Apple sites, you'll see what I mean.
 
RE: How DOES Apple Manipulate the Media So???

It's like how rulers used to control their populace long ago by having knowledge of events such as the eclipses, and saying they did it. I see no difference between them and Steve Jobs. He knows his fanbase has tunnel vision with blinders, and exploits it.
I agree with you that customer loyalty is a very hard hurdle to overcome for competitors. Customer loyalty tends to trump features for most customers, and Apple tends to enjoy a very high level of customer satisfaction, although its not entirely unearned. It would be more than a bit foolish to believe that that's where things begin and end with Apple. If you were a marketing major or business school student, it would be useful to recognize how Apple tends to build customer loyalty and how it generally conducts its marketing.

As this thread begins with a question, I'm going to answer it for you. One of the most basic methods of generating sales interest, is by quickly and clearly demonstrating how your product performances in three discrete areas: uniqueness, benefit, and quality. If you hit these triple-play, you'll have people lining up just to see why other people are lining up. When you look at Apple marketing... pay close attention to the amount of times Apple specifically speaks to these areas of interest.

What do they mean? It's obviously English, so you know what it "means", but here are the messages these areas translate into for customers.
  • UNIQUENESS - "You're not going to get THIS anywhere else."
  • BENEFIT - "Here's how this makes your life easier."
  • QUALITY - "Leave the details to us, we've got you covered."
You'll notice that at NO TIME does the concept of "truth" enter into their language. You'll rarely see Apple attempt to ever "refute" anything they've said. Shortly after they launched the iPhone, Apple posted a chart comparing different smartphones to the iPhone on a number of factors. The items Apple highlighted made the iPhone look like a clear winner, until someone pointed out that the Nokia 95 had a feature listed inaccurately, and Apple corrected it within hours of people commenting on it. The most evil thing about the chart however, is the point where it drops away from even comparing features, and simply says "They don't say", as if the competitor's were so ashamed of these stats, they hid them from consumers.

You watch the MacBook Air's new "Guided Tour", and you can notice Apple guru staying "on message" like a finely tuned politician.
http://www.apple.com/macbookair/guidedtour/
Lists what you get and reviews stats.
Talks about innovations by breaking them into sections:
  • DISPLAY - LED, less power, instant on
  • KEYBOARD - full-size backlit keyboard, with auto-illumination
  • TRACKPAD - multi-touch gestures, pinch, swipe, rotate
  • MAGSAFE POWER - magnetically connected power cord
  • BUILT-IN CAMERA - isight
  • MIGRATION ASSISTANT - get up and running quickly, copy computer
  • REMOTE DISK - wirelessly access drive from another computer
If he expressed it that this is new for Apple, and never before could you get a computer like this with OS X, that would be honest and I would approve.
He's perfectly honest without doing that.
But with his swager and arrogance on stage, it is clear that he was putting this forth as a world's first.
Well. That's your opinion, and you're certainly entitled to it. You seem to think that when it comes to size, that this is the first time Jobs has conducted a presentation like this.

"Super thin. [about the iPod] 30 times faster
than any other mp3 player. [firewire]" - Steve Jobs, 2001
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN0SVBCJqLs

"It is half the thickness of other Mp3 players.
It is quite small." - Steve Jobs, 2004
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dxwopXL3fs

"Impossibly small. It's really small.
This thing is thinner than a no.2
pencil." - Steve Jobs, 2005 - iPod Nano
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GRv-kv5XEg

"It's thinner than any smartphone out there." - Steve Jobs, 2007- iPhone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_f-KK140vM

His and Apple's attempted rewritting of history, I do not approve.
No one's rewriting history. You're under the incorrect impression that it is Steve Job's responsibility to give people a history lesson, as opposed to speaking to Apple's current round of competiting products. Believe it or not, Apple is loathe to make ANY direct comparisons. One of the most glaring inadequacies of the iPod is that no iPod has ever had a built-in radio, while its almost standard in every other Mp3 player on the market. While other mp3 players bend over backwards and allow you to manage its files through your computers file management system, iPods require iTunes. At the end of the day, Apple does an absolutely fabulous job of crafting their products as solutions to customers needs... and not simply trying to be the BEST at EVERYTHING when compared on features alone.

At the same MacWorld convention where Apple unveiled the MacBook Air, they also unveiled Apple TV - Take 2. While cheerlessly admitting that the first version did not meet sales expectations, Apple outlined the feedback they've gotten from consumers and remade the case for the device taking the new direction into account.

I don't think Apple waves a "magic wand" and makes people believe anything they say. I think they do an exceptional job at five very important things.
  • Listening to customers
  • Saying NO to unnecessary features
  • Making the important features easier
  • Approaching products as a collection of solutions and creating synergy
  • Constantly focusing marketing on the 3 principles above
As a recipe for success, it certainly feeds off of itself.

Just look at this question I'd posed the other day:
Best Presentation - 100 Reasons for Vista vs. 300 Features for Leopard?
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/372606/

By most people's estimation, Microsoft's presentation PALES in comparison to Apple's. In reality the operating systems compare very well on features, and in many cases Vista beats out OS X mercilessly with features its had for years... yet, Leopard is still the most highly reviewed of the two, continues to gain marketshare in spite of Windows' entrenchment.
Apple's marketing is simply amazing, no doubt about it. What amazes me as a marketing professional, is how every little detail is thought out in their message. Aesthetics of their web site as an example. Navigate Sony and Apple sites, you'll see what I mean.
I agree completely. Instead of accusing Apple of dancing in the moonlight with chickens and performing voodoo rituals on the press... some people should pull up a chair and take notes... like Microsoft.

Just look at the marketing material for the iPhone on Apple' website, and try to find something as informative and well-done for any other phone on the market. In a fast paced world, Apple's simplistic formulaic approach hits wit the impact of a sledgehammer, even on the most benign products.

~ CB
 
If you realize this then what's the point of the post?

C

What's the point of yours?

I agree with the OP. Steve Jobs conveniently left that out and the press was too star struck to question him about it, or simply too lazy to look it up. Either way he got away with it...

Anyway, I wish I had a use for a MBA because I like the design of it.
 
Why someone would be loyal to any multi-billion dollar corporation (Apple or Microsoft) is beyond me. Apple is a massive corporation and their job is to provide products for you the consumer that you want at competitive prices with competitive features. The idea that you should "stick by them" or some crap like that is just that - crap. If they don't give you exactly what you want you should go somewhere else to find it and if you can't, then go with the closest fit.

Its kinda sad sometimes when you see people on these forums saying things like "stop complaining, or just be happy with what they give you" as if we are supposed to be so appreciative and happy that the almighty Apple Inc. worked so hard to make something for us even if it sucks.
 
Why someone would be loyal to any multi-billion dollar corporation (Apple or Microsoft) is beyond me. Apple is a massive corporation and their job is to provide products for you the consumer that you want at competitive prices with competitive features. The idea that you should "stick by them" or some crap like that is just that - crap. If they don't give you exactly what you want you should go somewhere else to find it and if you can't, then go with the closest fit.
The reality is that there is something called "brand loyalty". Built into that market concept is the implication that the company whose product you're purchasing does more "good" with their offerings, than "bad"... more "value" than "cost". This is simply a reality of a consumer society, whether you understand it or not is immaterial to that fact. A few years back, there was some concern about whether brand loyalty was dissolving in the wake of "price comparison" services, where consumers can hop from merchant to merchant judging their purchases more on cost. This hasn't really borne out, whether you're talking about people's reluctant to switch from Google to Ask.com, or Apple to Microsoft (or Microsoft to Apple). It's most evil when someone chooses to stay with a company and remain unhappy simply because they are unsure of what they will get with a different vendor.
Its kinda sad sometimes when you see people on these forums saying things like "stop complaining, or just be happy with what they give you" as if we are supposed to be so appreciative and happy that the almighty Apple Inc. worked so hard to make something for us even if it sucks.
I think that certainly comes up. Something else that comes up though, is that people tend to WHINE about the smallest of problems, and people become highly sensitive to their sense of "signal to noise" ratio... which affects the quality of their freetime. For instance, someone complaining that they REALLY don't like the amount of attention a company gets because they don't understand good marketing... or maybe someone opening a thread to spread a rumor like... "Apple is going to start charging $30 for each Leopard update". It actually happens a lot, and people are justified in "shouting down" people that fill the conversation space with GARBAGE topics. Garbage topics are either purely manipulative or basically dedicated to being overtly negative and divisive (which can even rise to the level of a forum violation).

There's a balance, but everyone's sense of balance is different.

Hope that helps,
~ CB
 
Why someone would be loyal to any multi-billion dollar corporation (Apple or Microsoft) is beyond me. Apple is a massive corporation and their job is to provide products for you the consumer that you want at competitive prices with competitive features. The idea that you should "stick by them" or some crap like that is just that - crap. If they don't give you exactly what you want you should go somewhere else to find it and if you can't, then go with the closest fit.

Its kinda sad sometimes when you see people on these forums saying things like "stop complaining, or just be happy with what they give you" as if we are supposed to be so appreciative and happy that the almighty Apple Inc. worked so hard to make something for us even if it sucks.

I agree. People don't get how branded they are. When you attach your personal identity to material goods, it does a number on your self image and sense of perspective.
 
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