How good are SSDs?

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  1. B-Eugen, Dec 8, 2014
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    B-Eugen macrumors member

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    I've seen a few posts on here where people have had bad blocks containing data tagged by Scannerz (http://scsc-online.com/Scannerz.html).

    What do I mean by this? Theoretically a bad block on an SSD is supposed to be caught before it writes data to it and then the bad block get re-mapped. What I'm reading is that a block that's already been written to just decides to go bad even though its holding data, which I thought wasn't supposed to happen.

    Are there any real statistics on SSD reliability and testing anywhere that are current?
     
  2. GGJstudios macrumors Westmere

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    Usually bad blocks are flagged, so data can't be written to them. This can occur on any drive, whether a HDD or SSD. Unless the drive quality is unusually poor, bad blocks will occur infrequently and will be unnoticeable to the user. Any drive can fail over time, but if you buy a reasonably well-known brand with a good reputation, you should be safe.
     
  3. domain macrumors member

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    This is probably about the most exhaustive testing I've seen regarding SSD lifespan/reliability:

    SSD Endurance Experiment
     
  4. mneblett macrumors 6502

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    AFAIK, that's exactly the same with platter drives, i.e., not an SSD-unique problem.

    Based on the SSD reliability and performance I've experienced over the last 3-4 years, I'm never going back to spinners for primary drives.
     
  5. cycledance Suspended

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    same for me. ssds are reliable and fast.
     
  6. Samuelsan2001 macrumors 603

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    Same here


    SSD's are the best thing to happen to computing since multicore processors...
     
  7. maflynn Moderator

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    I think the market as fully embraced SSDs, and have largely killed off the hard drive in consumer laptops. They're fast, large (large enough now), and stable.

    I guess the question is, will we see a lot of threads on aging laptops as the SSDs do finally wear out. I guess only time will tell.
     
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    SSDs seem to have problems highlighted because they're still new. Most of the posts you read about them you also need to check the dates of the posts. When they first started coming out they really were problematic as far as I'm concerned. Now, I think they're much more stable, but they aren't perfect.

    Even on iPhones you can get a bad block, which I bet is something few people think of. One guy I know had a video he shot and was playing it on the iPhone and when it got to the exact same spot in the video, the player would just throw in the towel and stop. Everything else worked fine. That video used to work fine. Then one day it didn't. He re-initialized the iPhone and restored from backup, and voila, everything was working again, even the video.

    It's too bad there's no easy way to check a log file on an iPhone.

    In any case, yes, SSDs can obviously just lose a block out of the blue, but I wouldn't lose sleep over it. It's not like it happens every 10 minutes.

    Just keep good backups.......on a REAL hard drive!:D
     
  10. MacRobert10 macrumors 6502

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    Is it my imagination or there some type of SSD paranoia floating about?
     
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  13. BradHatter macrumors regular

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    I had mine replaced under warranty, so they're not infallible. It kept dropping blocks. I think it was a defective storage chip.
     
  14. nickbarbs macrumors regular

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    they're more reliable than HDDS now (at least the Samsung 840 EVOs are) with far better longevity.

    Something like pentabytes have been written to these samsung SSDs and they still go for it which means these latest generation ssds will last 1000 years + on normal usage.
     
  15. TheBSDGuy macrumors 6502

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    They have their own standards, I guess. Putting lines through a document instead of changing it properly always leaves me with a "why did they do that?" feeling. It just leaves people wondering.
     
  16. FrtzPeter macrumors member

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    Losing a bad block can happen with anything. Hard drives, SSDs, RAM chips.
     
  17. mbh macrumors 6502

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    Read the updates at the bottom of the page.
     
  18. TheBSDGuy macrumors 6502

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    Their comments and judgement seem a little picky to me. A local store here sells Plextor and I don't see them grossly over priced. Not cheap, but not grossly over priced either.

    SSDs are still something of an emerging market. Writing off one manufacturer or another based strictly on personal judgement? I don't know if that's a good idea just yet.
     
  19. tresmith macrumors 6502

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    great point...i replace my laptops every 4 to 5 years and I'm hoping that that's a fast enough replace cycle that I won't ever have to deal with a failed drive.

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    you ain't lying...I've yet to have any flash storage fail on me but I got plenty of hard disks that have gone caput and have taken my data with it.
     
  20. newellj macrumors 601

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    I think you're right for laptops, mostly, though people with large media libraries (like me) still need external drives.

    For desktop systems, HDDs still have a very competitive place for mass storage. The price/GB of good HDDs has been steadily falling, and capacities are rising. My Windows desktop runs on an SSD but I have multiple 4GB HDDs for storage and internal backup, at a price that is irresistible compared even to current SSD pricing.
     
  21. ZVH macrumors 6502

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    Personally, what I'm afraid of is Apple (or others) soldering the SSD chips right on the logic board thus making drive replacement/upgrades impossible.
     
  22. TheBSDGuy macrumors 6502

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    That would be in incredibly stupid move because although SSDs are reliable, I question whether their failure rate is really that much better than hard drives. The stats really aren't in yet. However, RAM can fail too and Apple is now soldering the RAM into some of their units.

    Because an SSD will eventually fail, it would limit the life of the unit with the only option being to boot externally. That, of course, assumes the system would let you boot with a failed SSD inside the unit.
     
  23. Freyqq macrumors 68040

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    That won't happen for repairability reasons. All the hardware is already soldered to the motherboard. If something breaks and they have to replace the motherboard, you don't want your customer to also loose all their data.
     
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    Look at the bottom, there are Updates with all the reasons listed.
     
  25. TheBSDGuy macrumors 6502

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    I know. I already addressed that. There are Plextors, several models, readily available at a local store in my area, as well as others. I just think those guys are being waaaaaaaaay too picky.
     

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