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gmanist1000

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For those of you who have installed iOS 8, can you tell me how well AirPlay works without a Wi-Fi network?

This will be a huge feature I am looking forward to.

Here is the article I'm referring to.
 
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melapple

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I was looking forward to this but it turns out that it only works with Apple tv revision A released last year. I own an Atv released in 2012 so no luck for me. I read this in the fine print in the new Apple TV main site
 

jimmirehman

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I was looking forward to this but it turns out that it only works with Apple tv revision A released last year. I own an Atv released in 2012 so no luck for me. I read this in the fine print in the new Apple TV main site

if you have the second generation apple TV and you arent currently using it as a jailbroken device, you should consider selling it. You can sell it for twice what you paid for it and then buy the 3rd generation and pocket close to $100.
 

sodapop1

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Where are you getting the idea that you can AirPlay using Bluetooth from an iOS 8 device to an Apple TV? I thought Apple TV's support for bluetooth was only for device discovery purposes and all communications thereafter would be over Wi-Fi. The new iOS 8 release does talk about streaming/AirPlay audio to bluetooth enabled speakers.
 

melapple

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There is a misunderstanding. I do own an atv 3 but not the revision they released last year
 

gmanist1000

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Where are you getting the idea that you can AirPlay using Bluetooth from an iOS 8 device to an Apple TV? I thought Apple TV's support for bluetooth was only for device discovery purposes and all communications thereafter would be over Wi-Fi. The new iOS 8 release does talk about streaming/AirPlay audio to bluetooth enabled speakers.

This is what I'm referring to:

http://9to5mac.com/2014/06/03/ios-8-uses-peer-to-peer-connections-for-airplay-to-apple-tv-no-longer-needs-a-network/
 

sodapop1

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Interesting, perhaps there are multiple communications protocol updates as part of the iOS 8 release, AirPlay Direct (bluetooth) and AirPlay Peer-to-Peer (wi-fi but without a wi-fi network). Maybe they are one in the same and Apple's lack of transparency on how they're implemented is contributing to the confusion. Either way, from an Apple TV perspective, I would imagine you would need to roll out a software update as well but I'm not aware of any ATV software release documenting support for AirPlay Peer-to-Peer.
 

Abazigal

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Using the mid-2012 Apple TV. Spent an hour updating, and can't figure out how to access the peer-to-peer AirPlay feature. So either the feature is really well hidden, or my Apple TV isn't compatible.
 

gmanist1000

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Using the mid-2012 Apple TV. Spent an hour updating, and can't figure out how to access the peer-to-peer AirPlay feature. So either the feature is really well hidden, or my Apple TV isn't compatible.

Your devices are on iOS 8?
 

Abazigal

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Your devices are on iOS 8?


Yup. IPhone 5s and retina iPad mini both running ios8.

One thought came to mind - I am using a wifi-only ipad. Not sure if that makes a difference, but if anyone with a 4g ipad can get it to work, then I guess we have our answer there.
 

melapple

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Using the mid-2012 Apple TV. Spent an hour updating, and can't figure out how to access the peer-to-peer AirPlay feature. So either the feature is really well hidden, or my Apple TV isn't compatible.

As I mentioned, only Apple TV 3 revision A (not the 2012 model) works with peer to peer AirPlay.
 

sodapop1

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Ummm, the one that was released yesterday?
Ummm, I said there has been no release where the peer-to-peer support has been officially "Documented" as being included. Could Apple have just put it in the latest release and not disclosed anything about? You need to ask them.
 

melapple

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Actually it was implemented with the latest update 7.0.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4448?

It says: Peer-to-peer AirPlay Guests can AirPlay from their Mac or iOS device directly to your Apple TV (model A1469 or later) without connecting to your wireless network.
 

sodapop1

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Yeah, I still can't find any official release notes published by Apple about ATV supporting Peer-to-Peer Airplay but apparently it is a new feature that others have gotten to work. I guess the trick is to make sure you turn-off your wi-fi network first. Here is a support thread about it on the Apple website:

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6537491
 

lunarmac

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Yup. Got it to work.

Make sure you keep your device WiFi on but not be connected to a network. The Apple TV can be connected to a network.

Have Bluetooth on both the device and Apple TV.

Swipe up on the device and the Airplay button should show your Apple TV.

Pretty cool and I can see it coming in handy when traveling.
 

gmanist1000

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Must be a browser related issue. I've been using Chrome and I couldn't see the 7.0 update until I opened the link in Safari.

That page is acting really funny. Luckily, I took a screenshot of it:

Screen Shot 2014-09-18 at 9.30.29 PM.png
 

liteshow

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Yup. Got it to work.

Make sure you keep your device WiFi on but not be connected to a network. The Apple TV can be connected to a network.

Have Bluetooth on both the device and Apple TV.

Swipe up on the device and the Airplay button should show your Apple TV.

Pretty cool and I can see it coming in handy when traveling.

Having trouble getting peer to peer air play working. I did the above, making sure I left wifi on on my device but forgetting the wifi connection. Also blue tooth is on on both device and Apple TV. However , I don't see the AirPlay button appearing when I swipe up the control center.

Apple TV : model number is MD199C/A which is the Apple TV 3 Revision A model? Apple Tv software is 7.0 (6897.5) updated Sept 17 or 18, 2014

Device : iPhone 5s with iOS 8.0 updated Sept 19, 2014
 

gmanist1000

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Having trouble getting peer to peer air play working. I did the above, making sure I left wifi on on my device but forgetting the wifi connection. Also blue tooth is on on both device and Apple TV. However , I don't see the AirPlay button appearing when I swipe up the control center.

Apple TV : model number is MD199C/A which is the Apple TV 3 Revision A model? Apple Tv software is 7.0 (6897.5) updated Sept 17 or 18, 2014

Device : iPhone 5s with iOS 8.0 updated Sept 19, 2014

The rev A model is A1469.

Check the bottom of your Apple TV, it'll say which model you have.
 
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