How long before apple drop supports on original iPad?

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Someone FAILs to understand that Apple supports older mobile devices longer than other equipment makers.

And who would that be? If you're referring to me could you point out where suggested Apple does otherwise? I never even compared Apple to other equipment makers. You two are putting up quite the strawman fight.

Can you read? I'm honestly starting to doubt that you can. I said 'some'. SOME. SOME! In no way have I stated that in every and all cases Apple only limits the OS by hardware limitations.

For the record, Apple has no legal requirement to provide X number of upgrades for your device. You buy it as-is. Any OS upgrades should be considered a bonus. Whining that your phone/iPad doesn't have a function that wasn't advertised when you bought it is silly.

If you want the latest functions/features and they are only available with the newest model, you have to pay for them. Is it also your contention that automobile makers also provide every single feature to every single car they've ever made?

Could you please point out where I suggested anywhere that Apple needs to fully support their previous generation products with new software? All I did was point out that Apple does withhold features that older products could support. I was only correcting you because you said Apple withholds some features due to hardware limitations when in fact there are often other more seemingly arbitrary reasons.

 

[jb007clone]

And who would that be? If you're referring to me could you point out where suggested Apple does otherwise? I never even compared Apple to other equipment makers. You two are putting up quite the strawman fight.


Could you please point out where I suggested anywhere that Apple needs to fully support their previous generation products with new software? All I did was point out that Apple does withhold features that older products could support. I was only correcting you because you said Apple withholds some features due to hardware limitations when in fact there are often other more seemingly arbitrary reasons.

And I am pointing out to you that your correction is wrong. I never said Apple didn't do that. Apple does hold out SOME features due to hardware limitations. Did you catch that word before features? Some? I can spell it for you if you like. S-O-M-E. This is not to say that that is the ONLY reason it holds out features. *Some* new features are held out due to hardware limitations, others aren't. You are free to speculate why. My point however, is that Apple owes you nothing and is not forcing you to do anything. You willing purchase their product, knowing full well what you paid for. Whether or not a new feature is hardware limited is moot because any new features they provide you should be considered a bonus.

Did your first gen come with MMS and then they suddenly took it away? No? Then quit whining. You bought a phone without MMS. Maybe the hardware allows it, but guess what? You paid for one without the function. Deal.

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

My point however, is that Apple owes you nothing and is not forcing you to do anything. You willing purchase their product, knowing full well what you paid for. Whether or not a new feature is hardware limited is moot because any new features they provide you should be considered a bonus.

I never said Apple owed me anything nor did I complain that they should.

Did your first gen come with MMS and then they suddenly took it away? No? Then quit whining. You bought a phone without MMS. Maybe the hardware allows it, but guess what? You paid for one without the function. Deal.

I never owned the first generation iPhone...

I don't really see where you're getting my whining from. I was just saying your statement was misleading and giving an example of Apple arbitrarily holding back a feature.

 

[jb007clone]

I never said Apple owed me anything nor did I complain that they should.



I never owned the first generation iPhone...

I don't really see where you're getting my whining from. I was just saying your statement was misleading and giving an example of Apple arbitrarily holding back a feature.

You mentioned the iPhone 1st Gen and MMS; I used it as an example.

How are you able to claim Apple 'arbitrarily' held back a feature? Do you work for the company? Are you privy to their internal OS development decisions? Did they release an official statement saying such? This is pure speculation on your part.

Explain how the sentence 'I think Apple tries its best to support all their devices, but some new features/functions simply cannot be implemented due to hardware limitations.' is misleading. Is it untrue? Does it claim that all new features cannot be implemented due to hardware limitations?

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

You mentioned the iPhone 1st Gen and MMS; I used it as an example.

How are you able to claim Apple 'arbitrarily' held back a feature? Do you work for the company? Are you privy to their internal OS development decisions? Did they release an official statement saying such? This is pure speculation on your part.

Explain how the sentence 'I think Apple tries its best to support all their devices, but some new features/functions simply cannot be implemented due to hardware limitations.' is misleading. Is it untrue? Does it claim that all new features cannot be implemented due to hardware limitations?

No, it doesn't. However, the word "some" can suggest it is either a subset of all iOS features or a subset of features that are limited by hardware. Therefore it can mean that the features that are omitted are strictly to hardware limitations. This is what was misleading. It was also misleading because you failed to mention other reasons why they were omitted in the first place. And I did put "seemingly" or something to that effect in one of my previous posts (in parentheses) when describing what I see as an arbitrary decision by Apple. If you have a better reason why a feature that has been proven to work just fine on jailbroken devices was omitted from the original iPhone I would love to hear it. (Note that Apple LIED to the public when they stated it was an antenna issue)

 

[jb007clone]

No, it doesn't. However, the word "some" can suggest it is either a subset of all iOS features or a subset of features that are limited by hardware. Therefore it can either mean that the features that are omitted are strictly to hardware limitations. This is what was misleading. It was also misleading because you failed to mention other reasons why they were omitted in the first place. And I did put "seemingly" or something to that effect in one of my previous posts (in parentheses) when describing what I see as an arbitrary decision by Apple. If you have a better reason why a feature that has been proven to work just fine on jailbroken devices was omitted from the original iPhone I would love to hear it. (Note that Apple LIED to the public when they stated it was an antenna issue)

Actually, I think the original statement was worded very clearly and you simply misunderstood what was written.

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Actually, I think the original statement was worded very clearly and you simply misunderstood what was written.

One would think the two accusing another of not understanding Apple's device update support and accusing of whining over a non-existent first generation iPhone would be the ones who misunderstood. Yet somehow you turned the misunderstanding to me. Strange how some minds work, no?

 

[noisycats]

July 16, 2011

Seriously

 

[jb007clone]

One would think the two accusing another of not understanding Apple's device update support and accusing of whining over a non-existent first generation iPhone would be the ones who misunderstood. Yet somehow you turned the misunderstanding to me. Strange how some minds work, no?

Strange indeed. Some simple minds cannot understand the basic meaning of the word 'some', so instead they get confused and argue a point which was never in contention to begin with. Very strange, yes.

 

[darngooddesign]

Apple actively supports the current and previous generations of iPhones and partially supports the generation before that. You can extrapolate iPad support from that. Something else to think about is that the iPad is currently fast enough to where iOS5 and iOS 6 shouldn't impact its performance like iOS4 did on the iPhone3.

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Strange indeed. Some simple minds cannot understand the basic meaning of the word 'some', so instead they get confused and argue a point which was never in contention to begin with. Very strange, yes.

Yes. It's not like you were arguing about the first generation phone I never had or the assertion that Apple should support its phones longer than they do (a claim I never made).

 

[Dr McKay]

Hopefully they'll learn from their mistakes with the iPhone 3G on iOS 4. And not have a repeat with iPad 1 on iOS 5.

 

[jb007clone]

Yes. It's not like you were arguing about the first generation phone I never had or the assertion that Apple should support its phones longer than they do (a claim I never made).

Wow! Incredible, you are no longer even arguing your misguided point because you know you don't have a leg to stand on.

The OP has the assertion that Apple is forcing/making them upgrade by not including new features. It is my assertion that Apple owes him nothing and is not compelling him to do anything.

'Support', as the OP describes it, equates to them new features. This is a flawed view.

Nice try though, Tuffy. Troll on!

 

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The lack of RAM on the iPad 1- IMO is the deal breaker here

When the new iPad gets iPhone 4 ram developers or going to run into a conflict here. Support the slower old iPad or have a better experience with the new iPad 2 with more ram?

Hopefully the later

So I give it 4 years. iPhone 3G is still going strong and honestly haven't jumped from that it was more than functional to keep using.

 

[bbhegedus]

with each updated product, apple makes the device at least somewhat faster. the features not available to devices such as the first iphone and the iPhone 3GS cannot handle certain features of the newest firmwares because of their processing power. I doubt that apple would drop any support for the 1G iPad until they come out with a 3rd version.

 

[aprofetto8]

My question is this:

If we were able to give you an exact date, say we know that February 14, 2012 iOS 5 comes out and the iPad (1st gen) will no longer be supported.

What would you do, or what decisions would you make based on that?

 

[MaxBurn]

This would be about the last thing we need to worry about. Given what they are doing to the iPhone line I think they are making their best effort to continue to support their hardware for quite some time.

 

[jeffkempster]

Here is my take on it. First the iPad is not a phone or a computer. Something in between. You take you phone everywhere with you and it is not surprising that the phone becomes outdated and more likely worn out in 2 years. What is the incentive for an iPhone 1 person to not upgrade to at least a 3gs for $99. They are paying $300 or more per year on data alone.

But more to my point the iPad is not a phone. You don't take it everywhere so it should last physically longer. I expect that the original ipad will still be receiving updates at least 3-4 years from now. It may not be able to do the same things the new hardware can but that is to be expected.

 

[harcosparky]

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Worse possible scenario ..... Apple stops supporting them two years after the last one is sold, if the last buyer gets Apple Care!!!
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Honestly, Apple dropping support of the first gen iPad would be the last thing on my mind when I bought one .... and I just did.

Mine will be fully supported for at least two years, probably longer than I will have it!

But more to my point the iPad is not a phone. You don't take it everywhere so it should last physically longer.

True the iPad is not a phone, but I disagree that you do not take it everywhere.

I think taking it everywhere is one of the reasons it was created, at least I bought mine to take everywhere because of its size.

Now I can leave my MBP at home most of the time, but there will be times I need to carry it when working. When talking with clients in an effort to get work, the iPad will be more than sufficient.

A cell phone may see more use, and the way it is used will lead to more wear and tear perhaps ... depends on how people hold it and wether or not it is in a case.

 

[muu]

If the past is any indication I'd expect at least 2 years from Apple, but the effective life of the device would probably be longer than that. Example, still tons of software that can run on my first-gen Ipod touch; it'll probably be another year or two or three before the majority of devs completely abandon support for OS3.1.x devices as ownership falls.

 

[sushi]

Seeing how we are still on the first generation, don't you consider this question to be a bit premature?

I would tend to agree with this.

My question is this:

If we were able to give you an exact date, say we know that February 14, 2012 iOS 5 comes out and the iPad (1st gen) will no longer be supported.

What would you do, or what decisions would you make based on that?

Personally, it would not affect my decision.

In the case of the iPad, I do know, that at sometime in the future, my 1st gen iPad will not be able to do things that the 2nd, 3rd or ... generation iPad can do -- due to hardware changes. Obviously, if the 2nd gen iPad gets a front facing camera then my iPad will not be able to support that function.

However, I would expect my iPad to continue to function as it does today which is fine by me.

 

[Stealthipad]

Well, I asked this question because I am trying to hold onto iPad 1 longer like until iPad with retina display comes out and I don't see that happening for a long time.

You should be able to use your iPad1 for years but I am betting you will not wait till the retina display unit.

I have had the 3G unit from the day they were introduced but will get the iPad2 instantly and pass mine to some needy person who will still enjoy it for years

 

[saberahul]

We all know that apple always want to exclude their iOs devices from getting updates at some point to make users buy their devices.

For instance, original iPhone got

iOS 1.0, iOS 2.0 and had few function of iOS 3.0.

So, the question is...

How long before apple drops support on updating OS for this iPad? Because I am not planning on updating iPad every year. Your thoughts?

Apple officially dropped support on the 1st gen iPod Touch when iOS 4 came out to which they stated that the 1st gen doesn't have the required hardware to run all the features of iOS 4.
I would say at least 2 more years before they drop support --> of course if 2012 happens first then...

 

[Built]

Seeing how we are still on the first generation, don't you consider this question to be a bit premature?

Amen. Talk about putting the cart before the horse. Certainly people have greater things to worry about, I would think.

 

[aprofetto8]

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Personally, it would not affect my decision.

In the case of the iPad, I do know, that at sometime in the future, my 1st gen iPad will not be able to do things that the 2nd, 3rd or ... generation iPad can do -- due to hardware changes. Obviously, if the 2nd gen iPad gets a front facing camera then my iPad will not be able to support that function.

However, I would expect my iPad to continue to function as it does today which is fine by me.

Thats what I mean, it seems almost as an unnecessary question.