How long do 32 bit Ipads Have?

browser740

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I have an Ipad 4 W 128 GB... Still have 1/2 the storage... Works fine for what I do , safari, youtube, amazon videos... I know IOS 11 is 64 bit, but how long would the 32 bit apps remain active? When will I get the message that the App is no longer supported under the current version? 6 months, a year or not predictable?
 

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It is actually not predictable, as long as you don’t upgrade to iOS 11. Or I could say, you could use 32 bit apps on your iPad as long as it is still functional. Also, if an app is not updated by developer any longer, you don’t need to worry about being unable to use that app at all.
 
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I just traded in my iPad Mini (original one) I had gotten used late last year for $100 (with an Otterbox). As far as a small tablet, I carry my Nintendo Switch now instead...;)

I got $55 in trade for the latest iPad 2017.

I also got rid of my very-much-struggling iPad 2 (Gamestop was giving an EXTRA $50 in trade towards a new XBox One S, so I got $105 for it in trade).

Glad I did, the new iPad is a great deal since it has an A9 in it...

Wanted to trade in my old iPads while there were still worth something.
 

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I have an Ipad 4 W 128 GB... Still have 1/2 the storage... Works fine for what I do , safari, youtube, amazon videos... I know IOS 11 is 64 bit, but how long would the 32 bit apps remain active? When will I get the message that the App is no longer supported under the current version? 6 months, a year or not predictable?
For Safari, Youtube and Amazon videos it will last a few more years with no problems.

Latest apps and updates will be 64bit. But, again, for watching content - it will be fine.
 

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When a developer creates an app, they select the iOS target.

If they target iOS 11 then it won’t be available for you anymore as iOS 11 apps don’t include any 32bit code. If they target iOS 10 or lower, it’ll still include 32bit support.

I think it’ll be a year before we start seeing issues here. Facebook still targets iOS 8 and YouTube targets iOS 9 (so 1 year or 2 years off the latest)

One random point, is if your Mac has iOS apps on them, don’t delete them... having local ipa files could be a route to retain some apps.
 

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Well, the real question is whether any of your old 32-bit apps will stop working. For apps that don't rely on internet-based servers, you should be fine.

That said, old version of Netflix app still works on iOS 6 so I wouldn't be overly worried. So do Amazon and YouTube even if they're no longer updated.

If an app starts requiring newer firmware, the devs would usually tell you. For example, comiXology only stopped supporting iOS 7 late last year.
 
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Sell your iPad 4 while you can still get some $ for it and buy a new iPad and you won't have to worry about any of this. BestBuy is currently offering a minimum of $150 on any trade in. New iPad is $399. Your net cost before tax is $249. Take the deal.
 

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Sell your iPad 4 while you can still get some $ for it and buy a new iPad and you won't have to worry about any of this. BestBuy is currently offering a minimum of $150 on any trade in. New iPad is $399. Your net cost before tax is $249. Take the deal.
Nope... Im going to wait till the apps will not work... As suggested above... Works just fine and I was NOT impressed with the 10.5 and 12 screens... The display at the store was no better than mine... Really could not tell a major difference... While the new screens WERE brighter, that was about it... SO until I HAVE to , Im keeping the 4...
 

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Nope... Im going to wait till the apps will not work... As suggested above... Works just fine and I was NOT impressed with the 10.5 and 12 screens... The display at the store was no better than mine... Really could not tell a major difference... While the new screens WERE brighter, that was about it... SO until I HAVE to , Im keeping the 4...
That's likely the most cost effective route. There's bound to be a newer model available if/when the iPad 4 stops doing what you need it to do.

Given the iOS 6 Netflix, YouTube and Amazon Instant Video apps still work despite not being updated, I think you'll probably be fine for a long while and since it's stuck on iOS 10, no more iOS updates that will further slow down the system. :D
 
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Nope... Im going to wait till the apps will not work... As suggested above... Works just fine and I was NOT impressed with the 10.5 and 12 screens... The display at the store was no better than mine... Really could not tell a major difference... While the new screens WERE brighter, that was about it... SO until I HAVE to , Im keeping the 4...
Hey, it was just a suggestion from someone who is frugal with their money. It's not so much about external differences as it is to functionality with new apps written to take advantage of the latest internal components. Eventually you will have to buy a new iPad if you still want to stay on the platform and then it will cost you full boat because your iPad 4 will have zero trade-in or resale value. Also the new iPad is a lot more comfortable to hold because it's LOT lighter. The iPad 4 about 50% heavier than the new iPad.
 

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This doesn't necessarily affect me, but I find this a real potential problem with the App Store model. The hardware still works which, to me, means the user should be able to continue using it as long as they'd like. The 32bit warnings that we're seeing suggest that Apple is getting ready to shut down support for 32bit apps, and they've shown a desire to sweep through the App Store and remove applications that are no longer updated.

I'm not bothered by removing the ability to buy outdated apps, but I've always been uncomfortable with preventing existing users from downloading them again. Now I'm even more uncomfortable if it renders working hardware unusable. This is also different from dropping support for old hardware as Apple does in their Mac line. Not supporting it isn't the same as unilaterally stripping away the applications available to run on it.

There's another problem here that isn't really Apples, but that Apple could help to mitigate: if a dev drops support for an older device, it would be nice if Apple kept the last working version around for each device type.

I recommend anyone else troubled by this add their comments:
https://www.apple.com/feedback/itunesapp.html

As far as I can tell, that's the right place to provide feedback on the iTunes App Store.
 
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That's likely the most cost effective route. There's bound to be a newer model available if/when the iPad 4 stops doing what you need it to do.

Given the iOS 6 Netflix, YouTube and Amazon Instant Video apps still work despite not being updated, I think you'll probably be fine for a long while and since it's stuck on iOS 10, no more iOS updates that will further slow down the system. :D
Agreed.. Thanks!!
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Hey, it was just a suggestion from someone who is frugal with their money. It's not so much about external differences as it is to functionality with new apps written to take advantage of the latest internal components. Eventually you will have to buy a new iPad if you still want to stay on the platform and then it will cost you full boat because your iPad 4 will have zero trade-in or resale value. Also the new iPad is a lot more comfortable to hold because it's LOT lighter. The iPad 4 about 50% heavier than the new iPad.
Thank YOU for the suggestion... REALLY... Weight , money, not a factor... Just wanted Apple to give me something to WOW about... I was and am WOW'd with the Retina display I have... Apple did a GREAT job with the iPad I have... To note, I haven't upgraded yet... When and If apple upgraded the Latest IPAD with OLED or RetinaHD Im in... Thunderbolt connection and the latest blutooth all the more better... Thinner bezel for 12 model... Maybe a 20% larger 12.9, 13.33
the updates are endless...
 

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This doesn't necessarily affect me, but I find this a real potential problem with the App Store model. The hardware still works which, to me, means the user should be able to continue using it as long as they'd like. The 32bit warnings that we're seeing suggest that Apple is getting ready to shut down support for 32bit apps, and they've shown a desire to sweep through the App Store and remove applications that are no longer updated.

I'm not bothered by removing the ability to buy outdated apps, but I've always been uncomfortable with preventing existing users from downloading them again. Now I'm even more uncomfortable if it renders working hardware unusable. This is also different from dropping support for old hardware as Apple does in their Mac line. Not supporting it isn't the same as unilaterally stripping away the applications available to run on it.

There's another problem here that isn't really Apples, but that Apple could help to mitigate: if a dev drops support for an older device, it would be nice if Apple kept the last working version around for each device type.

I recommend anyone else troubled by this add their comments:
https://www.apple.com/feedback/itunesapp.html

As far as I can tell, that's the right place to provide feedback on the iTunes App Store.
The whole app store model is why I'll never be a convert away from traditional computers. I vastly prefer, in and in some cases need to be able to install whatever software I can get to run on my devices -- often including older versions -- without letting any entity have authority over those decisions. The only reason I own an iPad is because the iPP currently has the single best portable digital pen experience for sketching and note-taking. Wacom's Cintiq tablets may technically be superior in pen performance, but they're laptop size and weight devices.

I'm not saying the iPad isn't an excellent device -- it's been amazing for the purposes I'm using it for -- but the software restrictions will never allow it to replace my laptop or desktop machines. If Microsoft could match Apple on the pen tech side (even the new Surface Pro version does not) it would be extremely tempting to go back to a less restricted OS for my day to day mobile device.

We've seen Apple make one very surprising move in a more traditional OS direction recently -- the Files app -- but I find it unlikely that they will start allowing old version app downloads any time soon since that potentially directly negatively impacts their revenue sources.
 
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aypues

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Sell your iPad 4 while you can still get some $ for it and buy a new iPad and you won't have to worry about any of this. BestBuy is currently offering a minimum of $150 on any trade in. New iPad is $399. Your net cost before tax is $249. Take the deal.

That trade in deal doesn't apply to any iPads before the Air or Mini 2...anything before that the trade in is zero.
 

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rui no onna

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Not on BB's pricing tool online. I priced my iPad 4 32 gb att model and a 128gb model and both were zero.
I get $90 for both 32GB and 128GB Black. What did you select for the iCloud activation lock status? You have to choose disabled.

Huh, resale notably lower now. I got $100ea for 2x iPad 3 (64GB) back in March. Used that towards the purchase of iPad 5 and Air 2.
 

aypues

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I get $90 for both 32GB and 128GB Black. What did you select for the iCloud activation lock status? You have to choose disabled.

Huh, resale notably lower now. I got $100ea for 2x iPad 3 (64GB) back in March. Used that towards the purchase of iPad 5 and Air 2.
disabled...they only want Airs or newer now.
 

aypues

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From a few minutes ago.


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iOS 11 doesn't support 32-bit iPads so you can't install it on iPad 4 or older anyway.

We were talking about Best Buy...I posted above a screenshot saying they will only take Air or newer.