How long do you think MP 5.1 will be officially supported?

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  1. koalb macrumors newbie

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    So I've got a 5.1 MP that I just updated the graphics card. Running Mojave and life is good – it does everything I need it to do.

    As we anticipate another generation of MacOS this week – it made me wonder – how much longer until Apple stops supporting this unit? My presumption is that given all the screw-ups with the MP product line, they'll err on the side of being generous.

    Just curious.
     
  2. flowrider macrumors 603

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    Does this answer your question?

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    Lou
     
  3. koalb thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Not exactly – I'm aware it's an "old model."

    Let me ask it this way – how many generations of OSX beyond Mojave do you figure that Apple will officially support?

    1 or 2 would be my best guess. Maybe 3.
     
  4. crjackson2134 macrumors 601

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    No one knows. Probable answer is none.
     
  5. bookemdano macrumors 65816

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    A few weeks ago I would have said the 5,1 would most likely get 10.15. But since the MDS vulnerability was published and Intel made the decision not to issue microcode updates for any processor used in the 5,1 I think there's a better than even chance that they artificially cut off support for the 5,1 in 10.15 to force people off the platform. Especially since they are widely expected to introduce the MacPro7,1 at WWDC.

    We will know for sure in two days.
     
  6. macagain macrumors 6502

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    I'd guess (hope?) 10.15 will be supported on 5,1, probably the last though. My reasoning is that I'd read somewhere that 5,1 is still widely used in house by developers, so I'd think/guess much of the 10.15 work was probably done on 5,1's, so it's already "supported" per se. Unless the 7,1 is actually already ready to go and is already in wide usage in-house, then all bets are off.

    Of course, I probably just jinxed things by putting in a PCIe/NVMe in my 5,1 today...
     
  7. mcnallym macrumors 6502a

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    I would believe that will really depend upon how close the new Mac Pro is to release.

    If still a way off then could see the 5,1 getting support. If they announce or preview the Mac Pro at wwdc then could see that the 5,1 is dropped.

    There is going to be huge uproar on the forums whenever they drop the 5,1 so if they have the new Mac Pro available then at least they can point to that as upgrade for people with the 5,1.
     
  8. Objectivist-C macrumors 6502

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    I’ll be (pleasantly) shocked if it gets support past Mojave.
     
  9. frou, Jun 2, 2019
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    frou macrumors 6502

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    Getting to Mojave was already the "stretch goal". It had an uncharacteristic asterisk about the Apple-supplied graphics cards not being good enough.
     
  10. fatespawn macrumors regular

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    I just want a boot screen and we’ll call it good!
     
  11. Jyby macrumors 6502

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    Whoops- read wrong
     
  12. Objectivist-C macrumors 6502

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    I’m going to lol if this somehow ends up being an unanswered question today.
     
  13. tsialex macrumors 601

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    Your bet was accurate:

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  14. thomasthegps macrumors regular

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    Is AVX available on all the 10.15 supported machines ? To me it seems all the supported machines have ivy bridge or newer cpus which means they all support avx. I wonder if apple compiled Mac OS 10.15 to work only with AVX cpus. If they have it will be hard to hack 10.15 to run on the cMP.
     
  15. handheldgames macrumors 68000

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    I have to say that it's odd that other hardware from 2012, including the mac mini is still supported... Except for the mac pro. The initial blurb I read after the keynote stated apple was supporting all hardware sold in 2012, which should include the mac pro...
     
  16. tsialex macrumors 601

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  17. handheldgames macrumors 68000

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    Apparently so. It was introduced in sandy bridge.
     
  18. crjackson2134 macrumors 601

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    Would have been nice considering mine was purchased new, and manufactured in 2013 ...

    Of course I knew this would be the result, I just wanted to see it anyway.

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  19. handheldgames macrumors 68000

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    Hopefully.... @dosdude1 will come to the rescue with an updated hack for Catalina. I guess it depends on how much AVX is used and the performance penalty for working around the missing hardware.
     
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  21. tsialex macrumors 601

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    It's a MM1,1 with 10.7 situation again for the first 10.15 DP, this will probably change later.

    If you install 10.15 DP with a compatible Mac using TDM or transplating the disk, you just need to add -no_compat_check to your boot-args.
     
  22. bsbeamer macrumors 68020

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    MP5,1 machdep.cpu.features (mid 2012):
    FPU VME DE PSE TSC MSR PAE MCE CX8 APIC SEP MTRR PGE MCA CMOV PAT PSE36 CLFSH DS ACPI MMX FXSR SSE SSE2 SS HTT TM PBE SSE3 PCLMULQDQ DTES64 MON DSCPL VMX SMX EST TM2 SSSE3 CX16 TPR PDCM SSE4.1 SSE4.2 POPCNT AES PCID

    MBP11,3 machdep.cpu.features (late 2013):
    FPU VME DE PSE TSC MSR PAE MCE CX8 APIC SEP MTRR PGE MCA CMOV PAT PSE36 CLFSH DS ACPI MMX FXSR SSE SSE2 SS HTT TM PBE SSE3 PCLMULQDQ DTES64 MON DSCPL VMX SMX EST TM2 SSSE3 FMA CX16 TPR PDCM SSE4.1 SSE4.2 x2APIC MOVBE POPCNT AES PCID XSAVE OSXSAVE SEGLIM64 TSCTMR AVX1.0 RDRAND F16C

    MBP11,3 machdep.cpu.leaf7_features (late 2013):
    SMEP ERMS RDWRFSGS TSC_THREAD_OFFSET BMI1 AVX2 BMI2 INVPCID FPU_CSDS IBRS STIBP L1DF SSBD


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    are the differences from similar era machines. MBP11,3 will be supported for 10.15 and MP5,1 will not be officially supported.
     

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