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So it would be better for me to get a base 15 inch model and get a ps4 on the side.

That way I can do light gaming on the macbook pro while doing all the next gen gaming on the ps4?

Also out of curiosity, do games look better on Iris Pro or the ps3? Lets take Bioshock Infinite as an example.

No doubt, if you want to play the latest games over the next 2-3 years and want them to look and respond the way they were meant to look and respond, you're much better off getting a console and just using your MBP for light duty gaming. The 750M will get you further along than the Iris Pro, but neither will be able to keep up with a PS4 or XBone.

Bear in mind that you can also get a 2012/early-2013 refurb rMBP starting at $1599 with the 650M GPU in it, which might ultimately be closer to what you're looking for (and much friendlier on the wallet.)
 
The Witcher 2 is actually one of the few PC games I'd really like to check out. Have you given it a try on your new MBP yet?

On low settings unfortunately at 1920 x 1200. But somehow I can only use the stock Apple drivers and not the latest NVIDIA drivers which could boost performance a lot.
 
On low settings unfortunately at 1920 x 1200. But somehow I can only use the stock Apple drivers and not the latest NVIDIA drivers which could boost performance a lot.

Harsh! Hopefully this is just a case of "early adopter blues"... It's one of the few non-PS3 games I was really looking to forward to trying out.
 
These machines aren't really for games, broh.

Yeah why would anyone use a 2 GB GT 750m to play games...thats just crazy...:rolleyes:

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How many "professional gamers" do you estimate are on this board? Or on a Mac at all?

How many "professional gamers" are there...12?

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but you want hard core gaming (Ultra settings on every game), maybe you should look into a ps4, a pure gaming laptop, or a standalone PC...

Or dual boot into Windows and pretty much all games will be much faster.

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The console versions look like crap.

No doubt, if you want to play the latest games over the next 2-3 years and want them to look and respond the way they were meant to look and respond, you're much better off getting a console and just using your MBP for light duty gaming. The 750M will get you further along than the Iris Pro, but neither will be able to keep up with a PS4 or XBone.

Bear in mind that you can also get a 2012/early-2013 refurb rMBP starting at $1599 with the 650M GPU in it, which might ultimately be closer to what you're looking for (and much friendlier on the wallet.)
 
PC gaming and Console gaming are two different breeds. One has nothing to do with the advance of the other. They may be the same games but they are not built the same. Developers only have to worry about 1 set of hardware when developing for console. PC developers have to worry about many, many, many configurations.

Graphics are pushed harder on PCs then they are on Consoles. This is why there are generally different resolution and graphics settings. Low/med/ high/ultra... etc. Consoles are locked to 720p; PC's are not.

As time goes on developers push boundaries of what they can do to the hardware. A lot of companies put out ultra settings that wont work on todays cards but will probably work on next years cards.

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You have to be joking. There is no way the bolded happened. I can name 4 better brands for performance/price off the top of my head. Talking outside of build quality and OS... I'm talking raw power.

In that form factor? Not for under $2000. And I'm talking about overall features/build/quality of ownership. The closest to a Retina MacBook Pro in terms of battery life, features, resolution would be the Razer Blade Pro but that goes for $2500 base (at the time) and the GPU performance was not THAT much different.

The point is gaming on a Retina Macbook doesn't SUCK and it's definitely good enough to 'satisfy' the needs.

A non 750m 15" Retina plus a PS4, really? What if he does graphics intensive tasks later? That's bad advice. It's essentially a 15" Retina Classic MacBook without the GPU.
 
In that form factor? Not for under $2000. And I'm talking about overall features/build/quality of ownership. The closest to a Retina MacBook Pro in terms of battery life, features, resolution would be the Razer Blade Pro but that goes for $2500 base (at the time) and the GPU performance was not THAT much different.

The point is gaming on a Retina Macbook doesn't SUCK and it's definitely good enough to 'satisfy' the needs.

A non 750m 15" Retina plus a PS4, really? What if he does graphics intensive tasks later? That's bad advice. It's essentially a 15" Retina Classic MacBook without the GPU.


Re-read original comment. That guy specifically specified raw power...twice.

And you're kidding me if you think the 750m can compare to the 765m in the Razer...
 
In that form factor? Not for under $2000. And I'm talking about overall features/build/quality of ownership. The closest to a Retina MacBook Pro in terms of battery life, features, resolution would be the Razer Blade Pro but that goes for $2500 base (at the time) and the GPU performance was not THAT much different.

The point is gaming on a Retina Macbook doesn't SUCK and it's definitely good enough to 'satisfy' the needs.

A non 750m 15" Retina plus a PS4, really? What if he does graphics intensive tasks later? That's bad advice. It's essentially a 15" Retina Classic MacBook without the GPU.

A. a MacBook Pro with a 750m, that you will need for gaming, is 2500 bucks. So what are you referring to when you say other laptops are not under 2 grand? The MacBook isn't under 2 grand either. You can get an Alienware, MSI, Razerblade Pro, and an Asus stealth for around the same cost. For gaming... every one of those laptops will leave the Mac in the dust. Your point here.... moot.

B. The resolution on the Mac means nothing when it comes to gaming. You have to turn the resolution down to play games. The resolution on the other laptops are 1080p. You would probably run less then that on the Mac or at the most, the same. Your point about resolution..... moot.

C. Battery life means nothing when it comes to gaming. You should be plugged in. Even a Mac will die quick with just battery while gaming... your point about Battery life is moot.

D. The Razerblade Pro comes with a 765m and the 750m couldn't touch it. Your point about graphics cards is not only moot, but makes your point worse.

E. We aren't talking about facebook games or games that came out over a year ago. The op refers to games coming out now and in the future. The now games will run OKish on lower settings. Next years games will more then likely run piss poor on the lowest settings.

The 750m is not a gamers card. Its a budget card used to satisfy people that want to upgrade to play yesterdays games. It is not a card you buy to play in the future.


And lastly, I refer you back to the original post:

If I were to get a macbook pro with the 750m, how long should I expect it to keep up with the latest games? I wanna keep this laptop long term.

Now tell me what the OPs concern is and what this thread is all about. People that are arguing with me seem to forget or not understand what the primary concern is.
 
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The 750m is not a gamers card. Its a budget card used to satisfy people that want to upgrade to play yesterdays games. It is not a card you buy to play in the future.

People buy M series GPUs to play in the future? I guess by future you mean 6 months from now... Mobile GPUs are an atrocity and the only laptops capable of playing "future" games somewhat decently are huge behemoths with SLI setups for college people who simply cannot fit a bigger computer in the room.

If you're into the biggest and baddest gaming, you have a desktop setup with a real GPU in it for the purpose of gaming. The rest of the conversation, as you like to say, is moot.

Considering all the "mooting", and that mobile gaming is moot, you can get back to talking about the 750M as a GPU capable of driving games, as it is quite apparent it can.

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With all that said, the MBP shouldn't be bought for the single purpose of gaming, but if you want to game on a MBP, you should probably consider the one with a 750M, although it depends on what games you plan on playing. For some people the Iris Pro will be enough.

If you're looking for a portable machine, a rMBP is an amazing machine, all of it's niceties just make it pop and work and general computing is so enjoyable on it, I'm really glad to have switched from the desktops which are now used for server to this baby. Productivity up, life up, experience up.

As for the question itself, you can probably play games that come out two years from now by reducing resolution and/or quality as needed. Different games, tax differently though.
 
People buy M series GPUs to play in the future? I guess by future you mean 6 months from now... Mobile GPUs are an atrocity and the only laptops capable of playing "future" games somewhat decently are huge behemoths with SLI setups for college people who simply cannot fit a bigger computer in the room.

Did you read the OPs question? If you had then you would know that the discussion is exactly about the future. I even put it in the post you quoted. If you still don't feel like reading it then simply look at the title of the thread.

Mobile GPUs are just fine for playing games now and in the future. See the 770m and the 780m. Both capable of playing games extremely well and both found in laptops with the same price range of a MacBook. If by huge then you mean slightly more heavier then a mac (around 2 pounds) then yeah, I guess they are huge. Of course they would have to be to perform gaming well. You need the space for cooling. Then again, if you are talking about gaming... is 2 pounds a big difference? I don't think you need to goto the gym for that.

Its give and take, you cant have it all. You can have extreme portability, OSX, and nice aluminum build for the cost of not so good on games. You can have excellent on games, upgradeability including graphics cards, and a fancy eye catcher at the cost of some portability. All depends on your needs. Judging by the thread title and the OPs question.... What do you think he is looking for?


If you're into the biggest and baddest gaming, you have a desktop setup with a real GPU in it for the purpose of gaming. The rest of the conversation, as you like to say, is moot.

Sure, if you are a heavy gamer then a desktop is the way to go. Of course, you could also get an alienware or one of the other laptops that I listed and perform almost as well as a desktop and far beyond what the Mac can offer.

Considering all the "mooting", and that mobile gaming is moot, you can get back to talking about the 750M as a GPU capable of driving games, as it is quite apparent it can.

Yes, it can drive past games well. It can drive current games so so ish. It wont be driving next gen very well for very long. You even said so in your first paragraph....
I guess by future you mean 6 months from now
What was the OPs question again?

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With all that said, the MBP shouldn't be bought for the single purpose of gaming, but if you want to game on a MBP, you should probably consider the one with a 750M, although it depends on what games you plan on playing. For some people the Iris Pro will be enough.

If you're looking for a portable machine, a rMBP is an amazing machine, all of it's niceties just make it pop and work and general computing is so enjoyable on it, I'm really glad to have switched from the desktops which are now used for server to this baby. Productivity up, life up, experience up.

Fair enough statement here.^^^ Although, I doubt the Iris Pro is enough to satisfy most peoples gaming needs.

As for the question itself, you can probably play games that come out two years from now by reducing resolution and/or quality as needed. Different games, tax differently though.

This is where you lost me again. You contradict yourself from your first paragraph. It is unlikely to play anything well 2 years from now.
 
So I did end up picking the dedicated graphics option. I am ok if the graphics aren't the best. But even having ps3 level graphics would be good enough for me to be honest.

And as long as I can play games (from time to time) for the next 3-4 years I am pretty good.
It's just that during my summer vacations I often do not have access to a console and would be pretty happy if my mac can at least (for a bit) serve my gaming needs.

From what I have seen in the comments, the laptop will be able to "play" games for the time frame that I am looking at.
 
So I did end up picking the dedicated graphics option. I am ok if the graphics aren't the best. But even having ps3 level graphics would be good enough for me to be honest.

And as long as I can play games (from time to time) for the next 3-4 years I am pretty good.
It's just that during my summer vacations I often do not have access to a console and would be pretty happy if my mac can at least (for a bit) serve my gaming needs.

From what I have seen in the comments, the laptop will be able to "play" games for the time frame that I am looking at.

It all depends on what you want to play. But you can't expect Battlefield 5(or whatever) to work 3-4 years from now on your machine;)

Congratulations on the machine though.



You know, the new rMBPs have Thunderbolt 2.0. It really would be perfect if they made external graphics much like the Sony Vaio z had back in the day.

With twice the transfer speed we're talking about something the size of a couple of external harddrives with the potential to drive desktop graphics. People have been calling out Apple for lack of user upgrades. The idea if you could add external graphics much like you could add an external harddrive. It would be wonderful and a whole new category of accessories.
 
You know, the new rMBPs have Thunderbolt 2.0. It really would be perfect if they made external graphics much like the Sony Vaio z had back in the day.

With twice the transfer speed we're talking about something the size of a couple of external harddrives with the potential to drive desktop graphics. People have been calling out Apple for lack of user upgrades. The idea if you could add external graphics much like you could add an external harddrive. It would be wonderful and a whole new category of accessories.

Re: External graphics cards + TB, you folks saw what this guy did with a MacBook Air, right?

http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/31/macbook-air-home-built-external-gpu/
 
Did you read the OPs question? If you had then you would know that the discussion is exactly about the future. I even put it in the post you quoted. If you still don't feel like reading it then simply look at the title of the thread.

Mobile GPUs are just fine for playing games now and in the future. See the 770m and the 780m. Both capable of playing games extremely well and both found in laptops with the same price range of a MacBook. If by huge then you mean slightly more heavier then a mac (around 2 pounds) then yeah, I guess they are huge. Of course they would have to be to perform gaming well. You need the space for cooling. Then again, if you are talking about gaming... is 2 pounds a big difference? I don't think you need to goto the gym for that.

Its give and take, you cant have it all. You can have extreme portability, OSX, and nice aluminum build for the cost of not so good on games. You can have excellent on games, upgradeability including graphics cards, and a fancy eye catcher at the cost of some portability. All depends on your needs. Judging by the thread title and the OPs question.... What do you think he is looking for?




Sure, if you are a heavy gamer then a desktop is the way to go. Of course, you could also get an alienware or one of the other laptops that I listed and perform almost as well as a desktop and far beyond what the Mac can offer.



Yes, it can drive past games well. It can drive current games so so ish. It wont be driving next gen very well for very long. You even said so in your first paragraph.... What was the OPs question again?

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Fair enough statement here.^^^ Although, I doubt the Iris Pro is enough to satisfy most peoples gaming needs.



This is where you lost me again. You contradict yourself from your first paragraph. It is unlikely to play anything well 2 years from now.

I'd say you need to read what I posted first, because I answered you and then the OP, however since you did quote and reply the answer to the OP, I'm confused as to why you're asking me several times if I read what the OP asked, even though you quoted me answering him... Very confusing. Or you probably started quoting and replying before reading the whole thing through.

Let me make this clear: Your opinion of gaming, may differ by miles and ages from someone else's. If you intend on giving judgement on a forum or simply an advice like on this thread, you really need to take that into account.
Why do I say this?
Well, you're giving the big bad games talk. Personally, I'm playing nowadays current games (2013 releases) that my MacBook from 2007 could still play. And no, this isn't a little gamer's opinion, I have been a competitive gamer and what today would be considered a Pro since I earned money from it, and yes, I love Mac. Heck, at some point I even competed with a Mac, and it was no big deal, I couldn't afford to have several setups back then.

So yes, you may not be able to play BF5 (or even BF4) on a 750M at full res, but the 770M isn't in much prettier shape with a resolution like this. This is why, as we both agree (I think) you have dedicated setups for gaming, which isn't the OPs question. He isn't asking if he should get a dedicated setup, he's simply asking, how long can I expect to play latest games on this thing, without giving any other details. You can play next-gen on the MBP, but every game is different and requires something different, you should know this. I fully expect to be able to play most games that come out in the next 2 years by lowering their quality, if needed, and without when I get started with my eGPU project. For everything else there's the ugly baby at home.

In short: No one said in here what kind of games and on what quality, so you're pretty much assuming, just like you're telling everyone else not to assume, you could take the same advice and organise your advice based on what's being asked.

Hard, cold answer: Can I play 2013 games on a 2011 rMBP: Yes. Will I be able to with the 2013 MBP: I'll let you answer, although somehow I'm expecting a talk about next-gen differing from 2011 to 2013 and the 750 being a 650.

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Re: External graphics cards + TB, you folks saw what this guy did with a MacBook Air, right?

http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/31/macbook-air-home-built-external-gpu/

This one is with the 13"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxxtd2kVf0I

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So I did end up picking the dedicated graphics option. I am ok if the graphics aren't the best. But even having ps3 level graphics would be good enough for me to be honest.

And as long as I can play games (from time to time) for the next 3-4 years I am pretty good.
It's just that during my summer vacations I often do not have access to a console and would be pretty happy if my mac can at least (for a bit) serve my gaming needs.

From what I have seen in the comments, the laptop will be able to "play" games for the time frame that I am looking at.

Personally I think you will be fine for that time frame if you don't mind lowering graphics quality.
 
Yes, it can drive past games well. It can drive current games so so ish. It wont be driving next gen very well for very long.

I'd just like to point out that, from personal experience, at least the 2012 rMBP can run current games much better than so-so. I would imagine the 2013 is even a bit better.

I don't have as much gaming time as I used to, but I finished Dishonored, Bioshock Infinite, and Tomb Raider (2013) in the past year on my rMBP and they all ran extremely well at medium to high settings in 1920x1080 on an external monitor. All of these are current games released this year.

Granted these aren't as taxing as some other games, but they all ran well above 30FPS the entire time. For me, and perhaps other casual gamers, this is more than enough. The rMBP plays most current games just fine.
 
Not yet, I'll give it a shot tonight or tomorrow and let you know. I have the Mac ported version bought from the AppStore, not sure if that makes a difference.

Hey ii.c, have you had a chance to try the OSX Witcher 2 on your rMBP yet?

The Webz tell me it's largely hit-or-miss on laptops--apparently the Mac port in particular is in dire need of some driver optimization (at the very least...)

Sorry to harp on this--I refuse to let the dream die. ;)
 
Hey ii.c, have you had a chance to try the OSX Witcher 2 on your rMBP yet?

The Webz tell me it's largely hit-or-miss on laptops--apparently the Mac port in particular is in dire need of some driver optimization (at the very least...)

Sorry to harp on this--I refuse to let the dream die. ;)

Hey, I'm sorry for the late reply, i was out of town. I read this reply last night and I finally got it installed and gave it a quick run. Remember, it's the one downloaded off the AppStore. It ran pretty decently (not great) out of the box: the settings it started up with were 1440 x 900, configuration set: high spec. when I switched to configuration set: Medium spec it ran pretty well. I'm not a hardcore gamer so I'm not sure how to view framerates and stuff, but if anyone here can give me a lead I'll let you know (unless the FPS have already been established for this game on the new MPB with the 750M). I was actually worried about this game running. I'll give it a more thorough test later today and let you know.

On another note, I also saw this link running BF4 on another thread. I'm glad to see it runs pretty well as I'm looking forward to Dragon Age III which i believe runs on the same engine, frostbite 3. Check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWPERDqG0hg
 
Hey, I'm sorry for the late reply, i was out of town. I read this reply last night and I finally got it installed and gave it a quick run. Remember, it's the one downloaded off the AppStore. It ran pretty decently (not great) out of the box: the settings it started up with were 1440 x 900, configuration set: high spec. when I switched to configuration set: Medium spec it ran pretty well. I'm not a hardcore gamer so I'm not sure how to view framerates and stuff, but if anyone here can give me a lead I'll let you know (unless the FPS have already been established for this game on the new MPB with the 750M). I was actually worried about this game running. I'll give it a more thorough test later today and let you know.

On another note, I also saw this link running BF4 on another thread. I'm glad to see it runs pretty well as I'm looking forward to Dragon Age III which i believe runs on the same engine, frostbite 3. Check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWPERDqG0hg

The BF4 footage is pretty encouraging. Obviously, I don't think anyone is expecting miracles from the 750M, but if it can run on par (or close) to PS3/360 graphics, I consider that pretty darned good for skinny-arse "non-gaming" laptop.

I think I'll give Witcher 2 a try. If the native OSX version is too crappy, I may look into allocating a 50GB partition to the demon Windows...
 
The BF4 footage is pretty encouraging. Obviously, I don't think anyone is expecting miracles from the 750M, but if it can run on par (or close) to PS3/360 graphics, I consider that pretty darned good for skinny-arse "non-gaming" laptop.

I think I'll give Witcher 2 a try. If the native OSX version is too crappy, I may look into allocating a 50GB partition to the demon Windows...

I'm thinking the same thing. I don't want to install Windows as I have zero need for it aside from those games that I really want that are not available on the Mac. Its a waste of a good 50Gb in my opinion.
 
I'm thinking the same thing. I don't want to install Windows as I have zero need for it aside from those games that I really want that are not available on the Mac. Its a waste of a good 50Gb in my opinion.

Too true. I have space to spare, but still... feels so wrong!

On the other hand, I also acknowledge that the bit of gaming I do might be the only time my MBP is used anywhere near its full capacity. It's nice to be able to "open 'er up" once in a while. ;)
 
I'm impressed by the games i'm playing. Skyrim runs fine on 1920x1200, it does slow down a bit when outdoors in certain areas but seriously, for a laptop it's great. Bare in mind i'm the kind of gamer that likes graphics but gameplay is more important. I just stick the resolution to this point, puts the texture to high, and therefore seem no point in enabling AA or AF. I also lower shadow quality etc, which kills performance on all games, but they don't really matter to me. Dishonored runs flawlessly at max settings, always running at above 60fps, but I know that's not a demanding game anyway as my desktop was running it the same. I can play Chivalry too which I was never able to play before on my desktop, it ran like absolute garbage and I never knew why, but now it's fine and great fun. Also tried the new Splinter Cell today, and again I just put the settings to the same as I did with Skyrim, not bothering with all the fancy features that I don't even notice anyway, and it's running at 45-60, most of the time in the higher range.

To be honest i'm wondering whether I should keep my desktop. There's nothing on it that my rMBP (base early 2013) can't do better, and i'd end up selling it anyway if I ever do upgrade, so either way there's not much use for it. Only obvious difference is a bigger screen on my desktop, but even that doesn't really bother me much. It's like when I bought my 50" plasma screen. I thought i'd use it loads and be the kind of person to really enjoy large screen viewing. I ended up not using it all and recently sold it.
 
I'm thinking the same thing. I don't want to install Windows as I have zero need for it aside from those games that I really want that are not available on the Mac. Its a waste of a good 50Gb in my opinion.

I finally got around to installing Witcher 2 (OS X version) last night.

Pleasantly surprised: I was getting *borderline* playable results at 1680x1050 with virtually everything on "high detail" save for Ubersampling.

FPS are frequently in the 20s at these settings, which made for a relatively quick death and the somewhat humbling recommendation that I play at the "Easy" difficulty setting at the end of the tutorial... but the fact that I could probably make it through the game in this fairly snazzy graphics mode was unexpected, to say the least. That said, I suspect (and hope) disabling anti-aliasing will give me the extra FPS needed to make it good.

So far: thumbs up for the 750M. It's not a graphical powerhouse, but seems to be getting the job done as "the little dGPU that could." ;)
 
I finally tried a game on my rMBP that wasn't Football Manager, after getting Boot Camp installed and Windows 7 Ultimate updated on the second attempt (didn't seem to work properly the first time with a USB3 stick, USB2 worked perfectly). It's the 2.3 ghz model with 16GB RAM.

I've only tried Metro 2033, which I've been meaning to play for ages. While it was alright on high at 1600x900 there was a tiny bit of jerkiness in very frantic fight scenes. I dropped it to 720p (1366x768) and it's extremely smooth, and I'd say the overall graphics quality was easily up to Xbox 360 standards.

I tried 720p on my old Santa Rosa MBP and the image quality was nowhere near this. Even with only AAA anti-aliasing enabled the rMBP deals with the scaled non-native resolution much better than I'd expected. Wish they had a 1440x900 option!

I'm keen to try a newer game out. I'm told by my PC gamer mates that Metro 2033 is particularly taxing for a 2010 game due to way the engine is coded. If it can play most AAA 3D games from the last few years and the next 1-2 on high at 720p that will do me until the PS4 price drops a bit. Very useful for when I'm away with work as well.
 
Football Manager

How is football manager on the macbook pro? Is there much fan noise?

Cheers
 
How is football manager on the macbook pro? Is there much fan noise?

Cheers

Very little with the settings on high at 1440x900. I don't personally like the way the interface is spaced out on any higher resolution. Running it at native retina resolution was sluggish, it's not brilliantly supported. If the UI elements could be retina but the 3D view scaled, it would be ideal.
 
Has anyone tried playing Guild Wars 2 with the Mac Beta client, with a rMBP with the 750m and iris pro?


I've heard mixed reports of performance. It would be interesting to hear if the new machines fair better.


Cider Wrapper ports are not ideal, but the questionable no-GPU switching in bootcamp is not ideal either.
 
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