anyone who buy tablet(s) beside the ipad is utter morons seriously.
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How many here will buy the Playbook or try it out ?
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This is getting off topic, but the iPhone Google Maps version wasn't really that different from the Google Maps already on WinMo phones at the time, aside from the pinch gesture and cute dropping flags.
IMO, maps was far easier to use one-handed with a keypad. You could instantly move between search results, for instance.
Plus many of those WinMo phones actually had a GPS to make the map more useful, unlike the original iPhone. It was also the WinMo phones with Google Maps that collected enough cell id coordinates to let GPS-less phones get rough location info.
Frankly, many of us wish Apple would do that as well
Too many people think that all products must fit the same profile. What's the point of that?
Our mobile app group is getting a lot of interest in the Playbook... not for email... but for enterprise apps using a larger screen than what's available on the BB phones.
You think so? Hmm. I'd guess it's mostly going to be large companies buying them for their employees to use in the field. As they used to say about IBM, nobody gets fired for okaying Blackberrys
Haven't seen anyone "defending" that decision, just "explaining" it to people who might not realize that email is available via the companion phone now.
I could understand aiming for the corporate market before, when Blackberry was the go-to phone. However, iOS and Android are eating away at that too with the consumerization of the corporate market.
Ah, but wasn't the pinch gesture and the quick navigation with the responsive touch the main appeal of the iPhone-style UI in the first place? My main point is that we all know the iPhone had something very clearly differentiated from the competitors whether you agree it was superior or not. What does the PlayBook offer that's so different from the competition that makes up for the lack of mail and calendar? The situation is thus not at all similar to your example of missing MMS on the original iPhone.
I don't see how it's not "defending" when you're trying to justify a glaring omission of very notable features in a product, and the product doesn't offer unique features to offset the weakness, especially when a product has a form factor made to be portable and claimed to be "professional." And I've noticed you do that kind of "explaining" for other Apple competitors such as Samsung and Pantech even when I presented evidence to the contrary. However you don't seem to apply the same lax standard when it's on the Apple's side.
Apple released a phone in 2007 with no multimedia messaging. How long did it take them to actually put MMS in one of their software builds?
How is email on a tablet any different then email on your phone? Last I checked the iPad and iPhone do not talk to each other when it comes to email. They talk to the same server, which can often be out of sync. I've owned both, I know.
If you own a BlackBerry and a PlayBook, your email, calenders, and contacts are all in sync through Bluetooth. That is a lot better than having zero device-to-device sync.
RIM is making is extremely easy for developers to port their applications from almost any kind of programming code to the PlayBook's QNX OS. If anyone doesn't know who QNX is, I would suggest reading up on them. The PlayBook won't be a fail, literally because of QNX.
I've ditched the iPhone and iPad for my BlackBerry and soon-to-be PlayBook. I would post a quick analysis on here when I get it, but that would be completely pointless.
Also, for all of you saying there is no email application: There is one, just not an official one from RIM yet. Hello App World...
How is email on a tablet any different then email on your phone? Last I checked the iPad and iPhone do not talk to each other when it comes to email. They talk to the same server, which can often be out of sync. I've owned both, I know.
If you own a BlackBerry and a PlayBook, your email, calenders, and contacts are all in sync through Bluetooth. That is a lot better than having zero device-to-device sync.
RIM is making is extremely easy for developers to port their applications from almost any kind of programming code to the PlayBook's QNX OS. If anyone doesn't know who QNX is, I would suggest reading up on them. The PlayBook won't be a fail, literally because of QNX.
I've ditched the iPhone and iPad for my BlackBerry and soon-to-be PlayBook. I would post a quick analysis on here when I get it, but that would be completely pointless.
Also, for all of you saying there is no email application: There is one, just not an official one from RIM yet. Hello App World...
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It doesn't need those standalone at launch to get biz sales.
Anyone in enterprise work knows that having RIM security, management and comms, is worth a lot as far as getting approvals.
- Many company IT departments simply will not certify anything else for use.
- Many companies are using BB based field apps, but would like a larger screen.
Soon after, RIM can add on a consumer oriented mail and calendar apps, and get more sales.
Is it the best way to start out, though? Heck no. Regular consumers will lose some interest.
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RIM's spin on it
If you're curious, here's a story w/one of the co-CEOs defending it and them defending their size choice...
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...cs-as-introduction-approaches.html?cmpid=yhoo
If you're curious, here's a story w/one of the co-CEOs defending it and them defending their size choice...
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...cs-as-introduction-approaches.html?cmpid=yhoo
Looking at the inconsistent, bug-laden, frustrating touch software on the PlayBook, just confirms what a great job Apple is doing in those areas, and highlights how hard a job it is, even for the major players to get the software allied to the hardware correctly.
Joshua Topolsky's video review showed me all I need to know about the PlayBook, in its current guise.
Joshua Topolsky's video review showed me all I need to know about the PlayBook, in its current guise.
Is there any point at which people will stop touting specs?
I've got a car with a 2.4L four-cylinder engine. I don't tow anything, nor do I run laps around Daytona. I literally know not much about cars as far as tech specs, so exactly how would it help me to have a bigger or larger engine? I know that engine gets me better gas mileage than my mom's 3.5L V6 on pretty much the same car, but who cares?
I used to do the same exact thing before I got sick of all the arms races people tried to do on computers. I mean I would rather have a 3Ghz processor than a 2Ghz processor, but will it improve anything or everything I do? On my desktop, I knew I would get some improvement on things like HandBrake going from a 2.4Ghz mobile CPU to this 3.06Ghz model on an iMac. I also know that a lot of the speed boost is from the extra RAM, all sorts of different bus speeds, and the video adapter.
All of that junk combines to work a very complex system. And it really means bunk if the computer doesn't run well. That's why first-hand testing is the ONLY way to look at any of these items.
If you haven't tried out the new MacBook Air, go try it. Just opening things up, it will amaze you. It has a much-slower processor than every other computer Apple sells, but that flash storage speeds up basic tasks like a mofo. I don't think the CPU, GPU, RAM etc. make it good enough to function as a workstation running Photoshop, Illustrator, etc., but for someone who needs an actual computer to browse the Web and type stuff, it's perfect.
Same goes for these tablet computers. I was more interested in seeing the speed comparisons when the iPad 2 was released than how much RAM it has. If software is written poorly, all those specs you have will be wasted. Kinda like the car metaphor if you put square wheels on it.
If you like the PlayBook based on what it does, fine. Have at it. But at what point will we stop going spec-crazy?
I've got a car with a 2.4L four-cylinder engine. I don't tow anything, nor do I run laps around Daytona. I literally know not much about cars as far as tech specs, so exactly how would it help me to have a bigger or larger engine? I know that engine gets me better gas mileage than my mom's 3.5L V6 on pretty much the same car, but who cares?
I used to do the same exact thing before I got sick of all the arms races people tried to do on computers. I mean I would rather have a 3Ghz processor than a 2Ghz processor, but will it improve anything or everything I do? On my desktop, I knew I would get some improvement on things like HandBrake going from a 2.4Ghz mobile CPU to this 3.06Ghz model on an iMac. I also know that a lot of the speed boost is from the extra RAM, all sorts of different bus speeds, and the video adapter.
All of that junk combines to work a very complex system. And it really means bunk if the computer doesn't run well. That's why first-hand testing is the ONLY way to look at any of these items.
If you haven't tried out the new MacBook Air, go try it. Just opening things up, it will amaze you. It has a much-slower processor than every other computer Apple sells, but that flash storage speeds up basic tasks like a mofo. I don't think the CPU, GPU, RAM etc. make it good enough to function as a workstation running Photoshop, Illustrator, etc., but for someone who needs an actual computer to browse the Web and type stuff, it's perfect.
Same goes for these tablet computers. I was more interested in seeing the speed comparisons when the iPad 2 was released than how much RAM it has. If software is written poorly, all those specs you have will be wasted. Kinda like the car metaphor if you put square wheels on it.
If you like the PlayBook based on what it does, fine. Have at it. But at what point will we stop going spec-crazy?
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Never - so long as manufacturers continue to tout specs as a way to differentiate their products. And really that's the easiest, most tangible way to differentiate.
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Never - so long as manufacturers continue to tout specs as a way to differentiate their products. And really that's the easiest, most tangible way to differentiate.
Thanks! I haven't had the time or that much interest to read all the reviews, but his video was helpful.
(Having borrowed an original Palm Pre twice for a total of >2 weeks) The throwing away cards and task switching is definitely a ripoff of webOS. It does seem like the product is incomplete (and I wouldn't buy it) but I'm fairly impressed w/what RIM has done esp. compared to all of their lackluster Blackberry devices.
Today my local Best Buy had a Playbook demo on display and I must say it was pretty nice that I put a deposit down for one Tuesday and since I am a Silver Member with Best Buy I have 45 days to check it out. As far as my iPad I have no plans on selling it at all. Ill post up some reviews Tuesday when it arrives. As far as the guy that said anyone who buy tablet(s) beside the ipad is utter morons seriously. WTF was that for ?
I can't say for others but if I'm still unsuccessful in getting my hands on an iPad 2 in the coming 1-2 weeks, I'll just give up on my iPad 2 search, s**k it up, & give my money to RIM for a PlayBook instead.
If you haven't already, why don't you just place an order (via phone) w/a couple of the online retailers that have been mentioned here over and over (e.g. MacMall, Mac Connection, J & R, etc.)? Do it now instead of wasting time w/B&M stores.I can't say for others but if I'm still unsuccessful in getting my hands on an iPad 2 in the coming 1-2 weeks, I'll just give up on my iPad 2 search, s**k it up, & give my money to RIM for a PlayBook instead.
CPU, RAM, Dual-core.. Those are all good things...
As we all know.
Specs are only important when you have the best ones.
when you don't have the best specs, then specs are meaningless and other things are more important
As we all know.
Specs are only important when you have the best ones.
when you don't have the best specs, then specs are meaningless and other things are more important
No, experience is always paramount. The only difference is that when the specs are best you can at least say 'the specs are the best' to shut up the people who don't get this.
I can't say for others but if I'm still unsuccessful in getting my hands on an iPad 2 in the coming 1-2 weeks, I'll just give up on my iPad 2 search, s**k it up, & give my money to RIM for a PlayBook instead.
I think you would be better off with the new Samsungs or HP. RIM Playbook doesn't look to have a bright future, and don't be surprised if there is no support for it in 6 months.