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yg17 said:
A penny is too much for a high school education. I went to public school all my life and had an excellent education. As someone else mentioned, it all depends on location.

Agreed. It depends on where you live. My cousins live in West Michigan (Holland to be exact) and their public highschool is poorly funded, understaffed, and full of "bad kids" according to my aunt/uncle. So they sent 'em to the private school K-12. So in their case it was a good decision to go to the private highschool.
 
I would never send my children to private school (when I have them).

My college tuiton at Arizona State is 4k a year. It is ridiculous to see people paying 3 times that amount for high school.
 
thedude110 said:
Ok, so ... to contradict myself.

There's a lot of presumption in this thread. Private schools are generally good schools -- kids get a lot of individual attention, they get courses taught by "experts" in their fields (lots of PhDs at private schools), and there's a lot of innovation in curriculum and its design.

When I posted what I posted above, I didn't mean to pit public and private schools against one another (I'm just not going to let statements about the supposed superiority of private schools go unchallenged).

It doesn't matter how it's funded -- when a school treats its teachers, staff and students fairly while maintaining a positive and hopeful environment, that school gets good results.

You're absolutely right. I didn't mean for my post to sound challenging, if mine was the post you were referring to. Anyway, in my opinion, it's normally what the student makes out of it. Believe me, there are plenty of "slackers" in my private high school. Private school may attract students from a different economical background, but it doesn't put them ahead of public schools.
 
Well the biggest thing that has a play how well some one does in college is not what school they go to. It is the values put in place by there parents and there socical back ground. General speaking higher income family's kids are going to do better in school than those that dont have the money. But public and privite. The best public schools are going to be in an area where richer people are.

Reason the richer families general have kids to better is the value on eductation is going to be lot higher as the lightly hood of the parents being college grads is higher. In my family my parent put a huge value on education and both my parents have college degrees (my dad is an Chem Eng and my mom degree is in forest with a gradutate stuff in teaching and she is a teacher now) They both install high values on eductation and I grew up in an area where most people parents where engineers, doctors, teachers and lawyers. so because of that the public school is one of the best in the nation.

The reason why private school over all do better than the public schools is the kids there have parents that place a much higher value on education than average and coem from the haves. like the study showed when you take social standing in to account private schools are not better than public schools.
 
Lau said:
However, I can't speak for the rest of the world, but I know in the UK the majority of kids in private schools are well off, and a lot have parents that are interested and concerned in their education. The problem I have with them is that it siphons these richer kids and their interested parents into one system, creating a kind of elite, while the 'other' kids go to the local school, and the local school gets a bad reputation, and less well-off parents send their kids there, and it gets worse and worse. There's a similar problem here with the grammar school/comprehensive school mix, where you take a test when you're 11 and if you 'pass' (5% do) you go to a grammar school, and if you 'fail' (95% don't), you go to a comprehensive. Again, it creates an artificial elite.

I think it's pretty similar here in the US. Middle and upper class families get the good "public" schools. Even if a poor, urban family cares about the eduaction of their kid (and our system of public schools so failed these parents when they were students that they too often see little value in education), their kid is still going to get the raw end of the deal (older books, fewer books, fewer resources generally, run-down buildings, poor administration, etc.).

I'm starting at a new school in two weeks -- I'm working with drop-out risk kids in a suburban system (used to work in an urban system). The high school I'm headed to is only 30 kids, and parents have to apply to get their kids in (in other words, the kids have to be failing school miserably and the parents have to care enough to do something about it). The district is very "high performing" (read: few ESL kids and thus high test scores), so that begs the question: what about the drop-out risks who don't have parents who care about their education? Who don't get to enroll in the "alternative" high school? What happens to those kids?

Sad answer is they'll probably drop out. Which isn't to argue that education is everything, but is to argue that these kids -- forgotten by their schools and their parents -- well ... they've got no safety net.

It really gets me, because they're invisible and because nobody cares (at least nobody cares enough to fund programs to innovate education for these kids). The kids I was working with in the urban district were just numbers to our administration -- they were walking test scores (and failing at that). I'll never forget my first year there -- we gave a standardized test and one of my kids -- a really good kid -- dedicated, cared about learning, rarely in trouble and always trying -- I remember him opening his test book and reading the first passage. The defeat he felt was immediate and obvious in his face -- all that work, and here was the test to flaunt his inadequacy -- to tell him just how "stupid" he was. What could he do? The only English he spoke was at school, he hadn't been in the country long and he was reading on a third or fourth grade level (he was a 10th grader at the time). But he knew that this test was important and worse, he knew he couldn't even understand the passage, let alone the questions.

Who would willingly -- forget eagerly -- return to the site of their failure 182 times a year? Who would keep trying to do something, every single day, over and over, even though it's obvious that you don't reallly know what you're doing? Who volunteers to feel embarassed and stupid for 6 hours a day every day? Think of the courage it takes not to give up -- not to drop out -- but to come back into that room, in front of those same peers and that same authority figure -- and to be "wrong" again and again.

I don't know where this was meant to go. I'm not even sure where it came from -- my own guilt for leaving an urban district for a suburban district, my own sense that I let those kids down by leaving them (though I fully recognize that I was burning out, and that another year in that system probably would have broken my back as a teacher -- add me to the list of urban school drop-outs, then). My festering frustration that, no matter how hard I (and other teachers committed to teaching as a vehicle for social justice) try, "public" education will still give every advantage to kids of privilege, money and power. Worse -- too rarely do we cultivate in those kids an awareness of their privilege and their power (in most cases they're certainly aware of their money).

To speak more directly to your point, Lau: You're right. There are so many people -- not just kids -- there are so many people everywhere who need so much, and so many of our resources are devoted to those who already have.

What really makes me really bitter, though, is just how intractable that fact seems to be.
 
Daveway said:
I've gone to private schools all my life so I couldn't imagine public school.

Since I live in prodominantly Catholic area where public school aren't much to talk about, private tuition is a bit more competitive and lower.

My high school tuition comes out to about $6,000/yr.



Nobody is going to blame you for going to private school in new orleans. I have never seen such horrible public schools as I have in new orleans.
 
My private school was about 5 thou a year. Some very good teachers and then some very bad ones (chemistry teacher knew nothing, seriously). Those private school teachers don't get paid as much as the public school teachers do. and public school teachers don't even make that much in the first place. Mostly what kept the teachers teaching with such a low income was their sense of purpose and they felt that God wanted them to be there.
 
thedude110 said:
To speak more directly to your point, Lau: You're right. There are so many people -- not just kids -- there are so many people everywhere who need so much, and so many of our resources are devoted to those who already have.

What really makes me really bitter, though, is just how intractable that fact seems to be.

:(

Excellent post.
 
Schooling has nothing to do with IQ/intelligance, it's all about how you are raised. I went to private school my whole life, and I wish I never had- Sure, I met some geniuses (like, literally geniuses who are currently bound for MIT and Brown) at my private school, but I also missed out on so much that my public school system could have offered me. Architecture, Graphic Design, better music and theater, etc...

If you are smart and try, there's no reason why a public school can't offer more than a 15k/year private school. The kid just has to have the right values to not get involved with the wrong crowd (or rather, let the wrong crows have an influance on him)
 
My sisters pay 20K a child, average.

No way in hell if they were my kids. I'd move to a better school district first.

But hey, if they can afford 40K a year in tuitiion...more to them, I guess.
 
Well I went to a public school and it certainly didn't do me any harm. I honestly believe the main reason for this is that even though the school may not have had top notch/latest and greatest facilities/equipment, it is the quality of the teachers and the willingness of the student to learn that are of the most fundamental importance.

My parents offered to send me to a private school, but I refused the offer. My younger brother and sister both go to Catholic high schools which are considered "private" here (probably about 5K per year each, compared to my $400). From what I've observed, my parents are paying a lot more for very little.

I think it's also important to look beyond high school and observe the tertiary outcomes as well. I remember reading somewhere that students who have attended private school are much more likely to drop out of uni because they are no longer being spoon fed as they were in high school.

Lau, your comments regarding students not being exposed to the "real world" really resonated with me. The majority of students at uni come from private schools and I don't know what it is, but they seem to have this somewhat closed view of the world, happy to just exist where they have everything provided for them.

Finally, I'm against private schools and even more against universities taking students who have the money to pay fees up front, over students who performed better in their final year of high school but rely on getting a limited number of government supported places.

Wow, I can't believe I wrote so much. :eek:
 
My school was 30k/year. That's pretty much the same for all prep schools.


Too much. If your parents are struggling right now, there won't be anything left for college. You'll regret having spent money on high school if you get into a nice college and can't afford it. Have a serious talk with your parents.
 
OutThere said:
If your parents are struggling right now, there won't be anything left for college. You'll regret having spent money on high school if you get into a nice college and can't afford it. [...]
If he's spending $60k on a high school education, I'd hope that he could get a decent scholarship, y'know?
 
thedude110 said:
Actually, no.


Were i come from.. yes it is.... you need to look at each place, to see if its worth going to a private school, you can't say because of one report public schools are better thne private or the other way around
 
KingYaba said:
It depends on where you live. My cousins live in West Michigan (Holland to be exact) and their public highschool is poorly funded, understaffed, and full of "bad kids" according to my aunt/uncle. So they sent 'em to the private school K-12. So in their case it was a good decision to go to the private highschool.


Yes... if you have a good public school why leave? but in some place public schools are bad.. poor learning, poor funding ,poor teachers and poor saftey
 
irain said:
Mine is about 14k per year. It can be a bit of a struggle for my parents to pay, but they thinks it's going towards a good purpose.

Then they "thinks" wrong, since they're paying fourteen thousand a year yet your grammar is still confused on singular and plural usages.
 
I went to Glen Burnie High School.

I turned out fine.

I'm sending my kids when I have them in the future to public schools.

w00t. Next stop, COLLEGE! ^_^
 
I don't think the question is "how much is too much for a high school edu". Technically, if we were to put a fair price on high school education (regardless of private/public), it would be pretty high.

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, over a working life:
People with education under high school earn about $1M
People with education ending at high school graduation earn about $1.2M
People with education ending at a B.S. in college earn about $2.1

Apart from positive extranalities, such as being smart, your 4-year high school education is already going to net you $200,000 over the course of your life. (I don't know how they adjusted for inflation, though.) It doesn't end there, because completing high school just lets you step up to college, where if you graduated with a B.S., you'll earn more than twice as much over your life as if you had not gone to high school.

Now, is a private high school worth a premium over a public school? And if so, how much?

And that's been answered by a previous poster. It depends on where you live.

When I lived in Chicago, I went to a private school. I escaped being enrolled in a notoriously broken school system, and I'm also mostly unscathed from violence.

When I moved to Naperville, I went to a public school. The schools there are some of the best public schools in the nation, and going to a private school would almost be a step backwards.

Anyways, this thread isn't really about private vs. public schools. You can't really compare the two anyways, since public schools are all over the spectrum on quality, and there are plenty of public schools that outperform private schools. My personal take on what's too much for a high school education? I think no amount is too much, and short of going bankrupt, getting my kids to a good school someday is worth every penny. Yes, even if it economically doesn't make sense, and if the degree (and the college degree after it) cost more than what my kids will eventually all earn back at their jobs. Why? Because I put a lot of importance on knowledge, and when you're talking about kids, you're not talking about an 'investment' as you would with a stock or bond, but you're looking at a life as a whole that doesn't reach its full potential without adequate room for academic growth.
 
thedude110 said:
Actually, no.

Makes sense though, doesn't it? I'm a parent, and I'm paying say 10-15k a year to send my child to a school I don't want them coming home with 60's (C's), I want them coming home with 80's + (A's). I know several people who went to private schools most of their lives, and then went to a public school their last year or two of high school. They got the freshmen fifteen early, their grades plummeted.
 
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