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A phone doesn't have to be a luxury item as there are many inexpensive choices available. No one is forced to buy a higher end Apple, Sony, Samsung, etc. phone if it's not in their budget.

However, that doesn't mean a phone can't be a "luxury" item. For those willing/able to "afford" them, manufacturers offer more feature rich, higher priced "luxury" phone options.

Many products come in various price tiers from basic to luxury level. Why should phones be any different?
Exactly and it's not a phone that's luxury. It's iPhones and high end Androids that are. My dad just gets the $50 or less flippy. Sometimes they even have a promo where the installments are covered as long as he keeps service.
 
This is just bonkers. I'm sorry, but paying well north of $1k for a phone today is too much. This is going to make it harder to get one's work to allow you to stay in the Apple ecosystem. The entry-level phone shouldn't cost more than the entry-level MacBook Air.
 
What do prescription drug prices have to do with this?

An issue with prescription drug prices in the U.S. is that they can be significantly higher here than in other countries. That's not the case with smartphones.

Additionally, smartphones are much more of a discretionary purchase while prescription drugs are not. No one needs to buy a $1,000+ smartphone (there are many options under $500 including some under $100) while someone may need a particular drug to live, function, etc.
The market that you keep referring to is why I bring up drugs
 
This is just bonkers. I'm sorry, but paying well north of $1k for a phone today is too much. This is going to make it harder to get one's work to allow you to stay in the Apple ecosystem. The entry-level phone shouldn't cost more than the entry-level MacBook Air.
You make too much sense. People here are still not comprehending this whatsoever. Apple is making boku money off the iPhone for how overpriced it is.
 
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Wait... so you bought the expensive apple keyboard and mouse? I cant believe you didn't buy cheaper ones, or use the ones from your old iMac, especially when people are struggling to eat, and to heat their homes, and prices in Europe are extortionate.
I got the Apple keypad and mouse on sale on Amazon, and the one from my old mac is not compatible with Apple silicon, Apple are very sneaky like that. Mouse was 6 years old and needed replacing, got both for £123 to counter your delightfully sarcastic and out of touch post, since you dont live in the UK and understand the prices of electricity, Gas (heating) petrol and food prices here. I went as cheap as I could keeping inline with what I'm used to and prefer but I did think about going cheaper and just getting a windows machine tbh, I just happen to like Macs more and I was lucky I could afford it, but no way would i fork out for a studio display, I could not justify that when, it costs the same as my heating and electric bill for the winter period of 6 months, and that's even with a brand new eco combi boiler with weather/load compensation depending which you find more comfortable.
 
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A phone doesn't have to be a luxury item as there are many inexpensive choices available. No one is forced to buy a higher end Apple, Sony, Samsung, etc. phone if it's not in their budget.

However, that doesn't mean a phone can't be a "luxury" item. For those willing/able to "afford" them, manufacturers offer more feature rich, higher priced "luxury" phone options.

Many products come in various price tiers from basic to luxury level. Why should phones be any different?
No I agree but peer pressure and the fact iOS is supposed to be so much better than Android, it tends to make people buy them especially because of the spin on privacy and longevity and the coolness factor of the look of a slab of metal and glass that Apple are very good at well were very good at as its all got a bit familiar now looks wise. For myself I find phones are boring as hell just like computers, yet still a necessary evil for many. Not everyone thinks with their wallet and many people get in debt to have the supposed latest and greatest (or latest and cheapest internals possibly) If you want an iPhone its an expensive outlay no matter which way you look at it really, and people have an aversion to using second hand/reconditioned devices for some reason.
 
I got the Apple keypad and mouse on sale on Amazon, and the one from my old mac is not compatible with Apple silicon, Apple are very sneaky like that. Mouse was 6 years old and needed replacing, got both for £123 to counter your delightfully sarcastic and out of touch post, since you dont live in the UK and understand the prices of electricity, Gas (heating) petrol and food prices here. I went as cheap as I could keeping inline with what I'm used to and prefer but I did think about going cheaper and just getting a windows machine tbh, I just happen to like Macs more and I was lucky I could afford it, but no way would i fork out for a studio display, I could not justify that when, it costs the same as my heating and electric bill for the winter period of 6 months, and that's even with a brand new eco combi boiler with weather/load compensation depending which you find more comfortable.
123 for a mouse and keyboard? You could have picked up a refurbished BT mouse for like 20 and regular USB keyboards aren’t much either. But what you’re really saying is that you paid double what you needed to to get something you prefer.
 
This is just bonkers. I'm sorry, but paying well north of $1k for a phone today is too much. This is going to make it harder to get one's work to allow you to stay in the Apple ecosystem. The entry-level phone shouldn't cost more than the entry-level MacBook Air.
FWIW, the iPhone SE is Apple’s entry-level phone; the iPhone 15 is their mid-level phone.
 
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123 for a mouse and keyboard? You could have picked up a refurbished BT mouse for like 20 and regular USB keyboards aren’t much either. But what you’re really saying is that you paid double what you needed to to get something you prefer.

Don’t we all get the things we are comfortable with? People can criticise Apples pricing whilst still buying Apple products, it is allowed.
 
The market that you keep referring to is why I bring up drugs

I keep referring to? I think you mean someone else (jouster).

However, I still don't see how U.S. drug prices fit into the discussion here as the drug market and smartphone market are quite different situations.



Apple is making boku money off the iPhone for how overpriced it is.

How is Apple any worse than companies like Samsung or Sony which sell smartphones even higher priced than iPhones? Manufacturers offer phones with a variety of features and prices. It's up to consumers to decide what meets their budget and needs. No one is forced to buy a $1,000+ phone if they can't "afford" it or think it's overpriced.
 
No I agree but peer pressure and the fact iOS is supposed to be so much better than Android, it tends to make people buy them especially because of the spin on privacy and longevity and the coolness factor of the look of a slab of metal and glass that Apple are very good at well were very good at as its all got a bit familiar now looks wise. For myself I find phones are boring as hell just like computers, yet still a necessary evil for many. Not everyone thinks with their wallet and many people get in debt to have the supposed latest and greatest (or latest and cheapest internals possibly) If you want an iPhone its an expensive outlay no matter which way you look at it really, and people have an aversion to using second hand/reconditioned devices for some reason.

iOS may be better but that doesn’t mean people have to buy top end iPhones above their budget to get it. There are more affordable models like the SE, 12 or 13 which are still sold new by Apple.

Also, it's not just Apple that has high priced phones. Plenty of Android-based phones can be expensive too. Apple and other manufacturers offer phones in a variety of price tiers to satisfy a variety of budgets, needs, interests, etc.
 
A friend of mine got a 14 Pro 256gb, from EE for £784 from EE with a 2 year contract in January this year.

I'm confused. They charged £784 for the phone and then a monthly fee for 24 months on top of that?

If so i doubt that represents any kind of real discount, it probably works out the same as the cost of getting the 14 pro on 0% finance at full price from Apple and then getting a 24 month sim only plan from EE.

They have just factored the other £400 into the monthly fee.
 
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I'm confused. They charged £784 for the phone and then a monthly fee for 24 months on top of that?

If so i doubt that represents any kind of real discount, it probably works out the same as the cost of getting the 14 pro on 0% finance at full price from Apple and then getting a 24 month sim only plan from EE.

They have just factored the other £400 into the monthly fee.
784 + 24 months of service is a discount compared to 1209 MSRP + 24 months of service.
 
784 + 24 months of service is a discount compared to 1209 MSRP + 24 months of service.

Nah. That's the point, EE play smoke and mirrors with the pricing.

When I got the 13 Pro it was cheaper to finance the phone from Apple on 0% and then get a 24 month sim only plan with EE that get a 24 month contract with EE with the same phone, same storage same inclusive data etc.

Lots of hidden charges.
 
Same price, double the storage plus all of this year's other upgrades still seems very, very fair to me.
It’s absolutely fine if you’re happy with that, really. I’m just saying a fact regarding the price of the components, not if the new iPhone will worth each dollar or not.
 
Tim Crook is the proper way to address him. Many don’t know but he wasn’t Steve Jobs preferred replacement for the company
Oh really? Who was Steve Jobs preferred successor? Reports at the time said Cook was indeed Jobs' choice as successor. I think it's an odd choice. I would have preferred Forster.
 
Excuse my (American) ignorance, but the EU taxes iPhones at ~21%?!? Are income taxes extremely low / non-existent or is there some other justification for taxing a phone that high?
Social welfare is the problem.
And income tax is high. Northern-Europe pays for South. So yeah, everything is expensive, including the tax and income tax :(
 
Tim Crook is the proper way to address him. Many don’t know but he wasn’t Steve Jobs preferred replacement for the company
First of all, it’s hard to take anyone seriously when they misspell a name to try reinforce a point.

Secondly, it doesn’t matter if he was or was not the preferred choice, there is no way SJ would give Tim Cook the job if he didn’t want him running Apple.
 
It would be foolish to start at 256GB. There are features, beyond just capacity, that lean on the need for a 256GB storage minimum that push people to spend a bit more. Either elevate this requirement to 512GB or keep the current starting model to drive storage upgrades that are very profitable.

They keep the popular Macs at 256GB starting configuration so I wouldn't mess with what works well on the iPhone either. There's no need.
 
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as an iPhone X owner (planned obsolescence, anyone?) I suppose the price of the phone has less impact as I will probably keep the 15 Pro that will replace it for six years too.

Those who keep a phone one year maybe have something to complain about but strong residuals and trade-in values from Apple might help. It does not have to be new and shiny every year....I keep my laptops at least that long too. Why should a phone be different?
 
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