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...where in the world are people wearing masks so much of the time that Face ID becomes a problem?

In the whole wide world outside of where populist tyrant sycophants rule (USA, México, Brazil & UK mainly but not exclusively), who are more preoccupied with seeming tough guys than to protect the population they should be keeping safe.

The evidence shows that places (countries, cities, counties, etc.) that implement mandatory face mask wearing and social distancing / quarantining are the places that come up faster out of it and less wrecked. Also, the evidence shows that as soon as these measures are relaxed, the contagion (and subsequent death count) surges again.



Unless the rules have changed (which is very possible given how quickly things change!) then you don’t need to wear a mask in an office job in the uk because the business will have already made the premises COVID secure. ...

I'm not criticizing you nor your country (mine is still worse), but just trying to share some solid evidence:
  • Until there is a vaccine, you should not be outside of your house without a face mask. Certainly on exteriors (outdoors) there is less risk, but the risk is not 0.
  • There is no way to "make the premises COVID secure" that do NOT involve everyone wearing face masks while indoors, ALL THE TIME. That is, unless you work on the outdoors, "al aire libre".
  • Chlorinated doormats are useless, temperature check points are next to useless (and a waste of time to detect asymptomatic individuals) and frequently washing hands is not enough, now that we know there is airborne transmission that is EFFECTIVELY (if not completely) thwarted by wearing face masks ALL THE TIME.
 
In the whole wide world outside of where populist tyrant sycophants rule (USA, México, Brazil & UK mainly but not exclusively), who are more preoccupied with seeming tough guys than to protect the population they should be keeping safe.

The evidence shows that places (countries, cities, counties, etc.) that implement mandatory face mask wearing and social distancing / quarantining are the places that come up faster out of it and less wrecked. Also, the evidence shows that as soon as these measures are relaxed, the contagion (and subsequent death count) surges again.





I'm not criticizing you nor your country (mine is still worse), but just trying to share some solid evidence:
  • Until there is a vaccine, you should not be outside of your house without a face mask. Certainly on exteriors (outdoors) there is less risk, but the risk is not 0.
  • There is no way to "make the premises COVID secure" that do NOT involve everyone wearing face masks while indoors, ALL THE TIME. That is, unless you work on the outdoors, "al aire libre".
  • Chlorinated doormats are useless, temperature check points are next to useless (and a waste of time to detect asymptomatic individuals) and frequently washing hands is not enough, now that we know there is airborne transmission that is EFFECTIVELY (if not completely) thwarted by wearing face masks ALL THE TIME.

The biggest risks come from situations such as pubs and bars where people are often in relatively close proximity and often intoxicated. These are not situations I put myself in. When I'm alone in the countryside, hundreds of meters from anyone else, I ain't going to be wearing a face mask!
 
My phone rarely unlocks with Face ID while I am wearing a mask. Makes it somewhat annoying while at checkout at the grocery store to enter a 6 digit passcode to unlock the phone and then the 6 digit passcode again to use Apple Pay. I’d like to see the power button Touch ID of the new iPad Air on a future iPhone.
 
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In the whole wide world outside of where populist tyrant sycophants rule (USA, México, Brazil & UK mainly but not exclusively), who are more preoccupied with seeming tough guys than to protect the population they should be keeping safe.

The evidence shows that places (countries, cities, counties, etc.) that implement mandatory face mask wearing and social distancing / quarantining are the places that come up faster out of it and less wrecked. Also, the evidence shows that as soon as these measures are relaxed, the contagion (and subsequent death count) surges again.





I'm not criticizing you nor your country (mine is still worse), but just trying to share some solid evidence:
  • Until there is a vaccine, you should not be outside of your house without a face mask. Certainly on exteriors (outdoors) there is less risk, but the risk is not 0.
  • There is no way to "make the premises COVID secure" that do NOT involve everyone wearing face masks while indoors, ALL THE TIME. That is, unless you work on the outdoors, "al aire libre".
  • Chlorinated doormats are useless, temperature check points are next to useless (and a waste of time to detect asymptomatic individuals) and frequently washing hands is not enough, now that we know there is airborne transmission that is EFFECTIVELY (if not completely) thwarted by wearing face masks ALL THE TIME.

Without wishing to turn this into a Covid discussion :)

Here in the UAE we have to wear masks at anytime outside of home, with very few exceptions, the most common being if you are sitting down eating in a restaurant obviously socially distanced, the next most common is being able to drop your mask if doing vigorous exercise at the gym again whilst distanced. I've just recovered from Covid as has my wife as a result of dropping our masks at the gym, so a real world example of how masks work. How do I know it was from the gym you may ask, because 10 of us from the same HIIT class tested positive a few days after. That's the risk I took dropping the mask which I wont take again.

The main thing that keeps people wearing masks here unlike many legally toothless countries is the $800 fine for not wearing one.

Typing in a PIN doesnt really bother me and I can live with it :)
 
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My phone rarely unlocks with Face ID while I am wearing a mask. Makes it somewhat annoying while at checkout at the grocery store to enter a 6 digit passcode to unlock the phone and then the 6 digit passcode again to use Apple Pay. I’d like to see the power button Touch ID of the new iPad Air on a future iPhone.
Wouldn’t you just use your watch in this scenario?
 
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Congrats on living in the UK.

The US is a complete dumpster fire and a total disaster and we don’t have rules like that. At my office job, we’ve had more than ten people test positive for covid in the last 4 months and we’re basically on our own. The job requires masks and encourages hand washing and wiping down work stations, but that’s it.
is there a way to turn off face id? i couldn't find this - nothing more annoying in the grocery store than face id... lol but i think it has to be on??
 
I’m using a iPhone 8+, it’s already unlocked when I hold the phone towards my face. I work outdoor and is required to wear a mask. Having Touch ID is more convenient, but I do miss all the swipe gestures.
 
But that would be less secure than face id so how do you sell it?
If your face is not recognized, you have to enter a passcode. You have to have a passcode to even be able to setup face id. So I’m not really sure how that is less secure. If someone grabs your phone and they know your passcode, they can access it whether you have face id set or not.
 
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I don’t count the times I unlock my phone with FaceID, but I live in the US in a state that a had high count. I only wear a mask in shops, office buildings and restaurants/fast food to get food to go. At work we don’t wear a mask and no one have temperature checks or even have service talks to ensure surfaces are wiped down and disinfected. To be honest you have to use your own precautions to protect yourself and the family you go home to at night. I’ve become accustomed to entering my 6 digit passcode for the last few months that it don’t bother me anymore.
 
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I haven’t had this issue much because I only wear a mask when I’m in someone’s house and they specifically ask me to. Those few times I have to type my passcode.
 
If your face is not recognized, you have to enter a passcode. You have to have a passcode to even be able to setup face id. So I’m not really sure how that is less secure. If someone grabs your phone and they know your passcode, they can access it whether you have face id set or not.
Touch ID is less secure than Face ID. Your passcode is the most secure way to lock your phone.
 
Touch ID is less secure than Face ID. Your passcode is the most secure way to lock your phone.
How is Face ID marketed as being great and secure if it's less secure than a passcode that was around since the early days of the iPhone?
 
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How is Face ID marketed as being great and secure if it's less secure than a passcode that was around since the early days of the iPhone?

sold as more Convenient and secure than Touch ID.
 
Touch ID is less secure than Face ID. Your passcode is the most secure way to lock your phone.

That’s up for debate ..... a passcode can be compromised...... FaceID I’m not aware of that being compromised ? unless you know better ?
 
That’s up for debate ..... a passcode can be compromised...... FaceID I’m not aware of that being compromised ? unless you know better ?
Why do you think the passcode is the fallback option and not Face ID?
 
You didn’t answer my question :) ?
It’s a fallback .... there has to be one .... doesn’t make it more secure
They aren’t directly comparable in that way because we are talking about two different metrics; number of false positives when using Face ID vs time taken to successfully guess and access an iPhone using a 6 digit passcode. As long as you know the passcode you can keep on trying Face ID. If you don’t know the pin you will eventually block the phone for a very long time or wipe it entirely.
 
But supposedly less secure than using a passcode.
absolutely, but once you’ve sold a more convenient and secure biometric authentication (Face ID) you don’t go back to a less secure and less convenient method (Touch ID). That’s a feature downgrade and apple would be ripped to shreds for deliberately downgrading their products.
 
absolutely, but once you’ve sold a more convenient and secure biometric authentication (Face ID) you don’t go back to a less secure and less convenient method (Touch ID). That’s a feature downgrade and apple would be ripped to shreds for deliberately downgrading their products.
Less convenient is certainly quite different for different people in different circumstances. Less secure in theory perhaps, but in everyday real life it's effectively a difference without distinction. Ultimately having the option for both or even some models that offer one over another isn't really going to result in something negative, let alone something rather extreme.
 
Less convenient is certainly quite different for different people in different circumstances. Less secure in theory perhaps, but in everyday real life it's effectively a difference without distinction. Ultimately having the option for both or even some models that offer one over another isn't really going to result in something negative, let alone something rather extreme.

I doubt we’d have both as one option would be lying redundant and we know Apple doesn’t do redundant!
 
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