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How Photos for OS X Handles Content and Metadata Migration from iPhoto and Aperture
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So, this is my big problem with the whole thing. I love the idea of having iCloud photo library and having every picture I take with my iPhone available through iCloud to my Mac. What I don't like is that it is suddenly uploading my entire former iPhoto Library to my iCloud account. They need to have an option for which devices upload and which ones just download. That would make this almost perfect for me.
So, this is my big problem with the whole thing. I love the idea of having iCloud photo library and having every picture I take with my iPhone available through iCloud to my Mac. What I don't like is that it is suddenly uploading my entire former iPhoto Library to my iCloud account. They need to have an option for which devices upload and which ones just download. That would make this almost perfect for me.
Aperture is dead and will not be updated again. They don't offer any products that are end of life and no longer supported in the App Store. This would violate the App Store TOS.
Hoping it's like pages and Keynote where the app was stripped down for iOS parity and then more advance features added back in.
There are no projects and events in Photos. There are only albums that happen to have the same content as the projects and events that existed in the Aperture and iPhoto libraries. And at least in Aperture albums and projects were never sorted by date (either by kind, name or manually) except for completely linear list of projects with zero organisation. That completely linear list is replaced by the equally completely linear list of years, collections, and moments. The key difference is that Photos splits up photos based on capture date and location, not allowing a manual division and that the sort order is fixed with oldest on top (where Aperture allowed reverting that order and for manual sorting).
But since you apparently used that completely linear list and don't mind not being able to group 'projects', your main complaint is that you cannot revert the sort order.
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An interesting question why you had a folder structure for albums and not one for events? Albums were a secondary form or organisation, ie, each photo had to be in an event but an image did not have to be in an album.
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Syncing Aperture or iPhoto projects, events or albums via iTunes was always a hit-and-miss for me, sometimes the photos synced sometimes they didn't.
You can drag any photo to the desktop and a notification banner will pop up indicating you exported a photo. From there, it's yours to do what you wish.
No need for File - Export - etc. Hope this helps
That is one of the few features of iPhoto that did not make it into Photos (along with the related 'Edit in external editor'). But since Apple last year demoed third-party editing plugins, I think the chances are good that some integration with third-party tools will be added. Whether sending a raw to an external editor will be added however is a more open question.
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So you predict ('will') that this will happen as a normal course of action?
Glad to hold off for now.
I have photos ini iPhoto and Aperture on one computer and Aperture in another.
I have shot JPG and RAW and used all internal editing within each. I Star Rank and Flag photos.
I'm holding off for a while until 3rd-party Extensions bring back the features of Aperture. Heck, I'd even pay Apple for an "Aperture" Extension packet.
I have photos ini iPhoto and Aperture on one computer and Aperture in another.
I have shot JPG and RAW and used all internal editing within each. I Star Rank and Flag photos.
I'm holding off for a while until 3rd-party Extensions bring back the features of Aperture. Heck, I'd even pay Apple for an "Aperture" Extension packet.
Faces issue
The only complaint I have is that my Faces labeled in iPhoto were not recognized in Photos. I had to go through and label all the faces again. On top of that, those labels do not carry over to my laptop running Photos. It keeps those labels separate. I was under the impression that all edits would be synced over iCloud. Is this just me?
The only complaint I have is that my Faces labeled in iPhoto were not recognized in Photos. I had to go through and label all the faces again. On top of that, those labels do not carry over to my laptop running Photos. It keeps those labels separate. I was under the impression that all edits would be synced over iCloud. Is this just me?
I'm calling BS on this. Even if true, we'd be talking months or years and Apple hasn't committed to any of this. Not even to add what should be the most basic functionality.
Short answer: you can't. Photos is a least-common-denominator approach; because Photos for iOS lacks a way to tag location to existing photos, Photos for OSX apparently can't have that functionality either. Similar to when Apple neutered the iWork for OSX suite to make it feature compatible with the iOS apps. Embarrassing, really, for a company of Apple's size.
Indeed I don't sync over Cloud. Never done this, always wired via iTunes. I don't understand why this is causing an issue for me as with the update which was released soon after Photos App was launched, this should be possible.
I continue to use iPhoto for now. As said, don't mind changing events to albums and missing a few pro editing settings compared to Aperture but I feel this is a stripped down version, indeed like the new Keynote/Numbers/Pages, and it doesn't feel good.
Please, use this link: http://www.apple.com/feedback/
I don't see a Photos link, so I'd use the OS X one, or maybe Aperture/iPhoto. "OMG! Your product sux!" is not going to be helpful-- but a lot of the comments I'm seeing in this this thread are written in helpful ways.
And it is still helpful to submit your feedback even if you think someone else has already-- I think they track the number of common responses as an indication of priority.
I find it highly unlikely that they're going to bring back the old products, but with the right feedback, we might get them to bring back the features we miss.
As an avid Aperture user, I'm not at all happy to see it go away. I'm hoping they treat this more like FCP, where they revamped it and are still continually improving it to bring back features, and not like iWork where they gimped it and left it to die.
Useful feedback submitted to their tracker does have an impact on their development process if they are actively developing the product. Internally, Apple is very process driven-- and their bug tracking scheme drives their development.
I don't see a Photos link, so I'd use the OS X one, or maybe Aperture/iPhoto. "OMG! Your product sux!" is not going to be helpful-- but a lot of the comments I'm seeing in this this thread are written in helpful ways.
And it is still helpful to submit your feedback even if you think someone else has already-- I think they track the number of common responses as an indication of priority.
I find it highly unlikely that they're going to bring back the old products, but with the right feedback, we might get them to bring back the features we miss.
As an avid Aperture user, I'm not at all happy to see it go away. I'm hoping they treat this more like FCP, where they revamped it and are still continually improving it to bring back features, and not like iWork where they gimped it and left it to die.
Useful feedback submitted to their tracker does have an impact on their development process if they are actively developing the product. Internally, Apple is very process driven-- and their bug tracking scheme drives their development.
Hi Analog Kid,
I agree and have done so in the past and on this occasion. I have submitted feedback on iBooks Author before and Apple got in touch with regarding an issue with embedding Keynotes. The last version of iBooks Author fixed this so as you said, don't assume "everyone else must have done it already" and submit your feedback.
I agree and have done so in the past and on this occasion. I have submitted feedback on iBooks Author before and Apple got in touch with regarding an issue with embedding Keynotes. The last version of iBooks Author fixed this so as you said, don't assume "everyone else must have done it already" and submit your feedback.
As long as it is not possible to send an image to an external editor, I won't use it. It seems to me that Apple is not interested in people using photos as a manager, with editing done elsewhere. I've switched to the On1 photo suite.
Photos and IOS 8.3 together has been GREAT for my wife. She used to clog her 16G, 5S phone up with photos and videos and then call me in a panic and tell me she was out of space. These two apps together are keeping about 20% of her phone storage free for new stuff. I have her photos stored in the iCloud and selected the "Optimize iPhone Storage" option on her phone (under iCloud settings). She can see her photos too on her iPad and Macbook Air. She is a happy camper which is good. Happy wife, happy life !!!
how to migrate in the first place
"Minor" omission in many of these discussions, but one which affects many of us, is that there is no explanation of how to begin the migration in the first place.
It appears that if your iPhoto Library is in an expected location, then you will be prompted to migrate it when Photos launches. But for those of us with larger libraries (mine is 700GB) and keep it on an external drive or have other reasons to move their libraries, that will not pop up and leave them scratching their heads as to how to proceed.
The trick is to quit Photos and then relaunch it while holding down the Option key, after which you will be prompted to migrate. One hopes that everything else about the migration and subsequent use will behave as expected even for these non-standard locations.
See:
http://www.macworld.com/article/2880481/how-to-prepare-your-iphoto-library-for-photos-for-os-x.html
"Minor" omission in many of these discussions, but one which affects many of us, is that there is no explanation of how to begin the migration in the first place.
It appears that if your iPhoto Library is in an expected location, then you will be prompted to migrate it when Photos launches. But for those of us with larger libraries (mine is 700GB) and keep it on an external drive or have other reasons to move their libraries, that will not pop up and leave them scratching their heads as to how to proceed.
The trick is to quit Photos and then relaunch it while holding down the Option key, after which you will be prompted to migrate. One hopes that everything else about the migration and subsequent use will behave as expected even for these non-standard locations.
See:
http://www.macworld.com/article/2880481/how-to-prepare-your-iphoto-library-for-photos-for-os-x.html
>360.000 and 2TB. Not going into cloud. iCloud photo library looks much better than what it replaces, but please Apple, give us better tools to handle what goes to the cloud and what stays on our local storage systems (I've three local copies). And make sure that Photos works with large libraries - number of photos is not going to shrink over years and it's not unheard of to have hundreds of thousands, over decade or two!
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I'm still trying to get used to it, but it certainly handles large quantity of photos better than iPhoto. The things I'm missing (and am really agonizing from missing them):
1.) Geo-tag photos for their locations.
2.) Batch change.
3.) The Info panel - why does it come out as a pop up window now?!? It's so inconvenient and in the way when I need to view a photo and edit it at the same time...
1.) Geo-tag photos for their locations.
2.) Batch change.
3.) The Info panel - why does it come out as a pop up window now?!? It's so inconvenient and in the way when I need to view a photo and edit it at the same time...
I had issues with this as well, until they rethink this option you should just go File->Export->Unmodified Original.
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Disagree. There is nothing normal with 360,000 photos in a library. Apple targets the mainstream here. If you need to manage such volums you are not a priority.
I think the mainstream (90%) of users will have less than 10,000 photos. I have 27 years of photos and 36,000 photos which I find to be a lot. 230GB which put me in the 500GB bracket. But I don´t consider myself mainstream.
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You´re no fun. It´s version 1. Give Apple a break. It´s a fantastic first release. Obviously they will keep hacking up features. Until you find them, find alternative ways of doing things. Need to GEOTag something? Just export out of Photos, and into iPhoto, tag and re-import into Photos.
I wouldn't consider my photo collection large (around 7GB of photos) and yet that is too large for the free iCloud storage plan.
I know this is version 1, so I assume this functionality will be added later, but it would be nice to sync my most recent photos to the cloud and nothing else. Say, my last 3 events + iPhone camera roll?
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I'm sure they will add this kind of functionality in future versions, and I agree. Using Photos on my Mac has really taken the headache out of trying to understand iCloud Photo Library, so Apple have obviously done something right, but I would love to be able to manage a cloud library and a local one in one app.
My iPhone camera roll and my last 3 events in the cloud, everything older than that saved on my Mac.
It's not an argument that stands up. You can dabble with keywords quite happily in OS X Photos, for example, something you can't do in Photos for iOS.
There's no reason why Apple couldn't add a Geotagging feature right into Photos for OS X:
1. Select a bunch of photos
2. File | Import GPX file
I have a GPS unit for my DSLR, but frankly it's a pain in the neck. It's so much easier to get the iPhone to start logging positional data that can be exported to a file.
I'd definitely expect to see a proper 'Places' view with a global map in a future release. It's such an obvious thing to have.
Holy cr@p! I had my first real interactions with Photos.... back to Aperture until it stops working. What a steaming pile Photos is. When Aperture breaks someday, I'll probably have to go to Lightroom if there isn't a sufficient competitor at that time.
It used to be that when I got my iPhone, I immediately put all Apple apps in a big folder called Apple Stuff. Now, I'm finding I'm doing the same thing for the Apple OS X apps. I can't believe Apple is dumbing down all their apps. At least if you make a cr@p app, make it look good. All their apps look horrible. A photos app with bright UI? it's like looking at my pix with a flashlight shining on them.
As long as Apple makes good hardware, and third part devs make better apps, I'll stay in the ecosystem. I don't like this path I'm seeing though. The quality of apps is getting very bad (first party).
It used to be that when I got my iPhone, I immediately put all Apple apps in a big folder called Apple Stuff. Now, I'm finding I'm doing the same thing for the Apple OS X apps. I can't believe Apple is dumbing down all their apps. At least if you make a cr@p app, make it look good. All their apps look horrible. A photos app with bright UI? it's like looking at my pix with a flashlight shining on them.
As long as Apple makes good hardware, and third part devs make better apps, I'll stay in the ecosystem. I don't like this path I'm seeing though. The quality of apps is getting very bad (first party).
10.10.3 Photos not working
With no notice apple removed iphoto and replaced with photos. Only problem is that Photos crashes instantly every time I open it. Bad update with 10.10.3 Yosemite and there was not notice of this change, the update just went and removed iPhoto, and then spent 3 hours updating my photo library.
I was just in the Apple Store in Portland to complain about this problem and ran into Tim Cook (CEO). I directly told him about the problem and he said he was not aware of it. He did not say it would be fixed but said I should talk to Genius Bar people.
With no notice apple removed iphoto and replaced with photos. Only problem is that Photos crashes instantly every time I open it. Bad update with 10.10.3 Yosemite and there was not notice of this change, the update just went and removed iPhoto, and then spent 3 hours updating my photo library.
I was just in the Apple Store in Portland to complain about this problem and ran into Tim Cook (CEO). I directly told him about the problem and he said he was not aware of it. He did not say it would be fixed but said I should talk to Genius Bar people.