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That isn't an insignificant problem though. I don't know how much of it might also be a result of your phone, but screen uniformity in general looks awful. Hopefully, they will replace the display for you.
Thank you. Never said it was. It's definitely a nuisance that I don't want to keep around, and I'm glad that it appeared within warranty. I hope they'll exchange the screen swiftly. Didn't really expect such an issue like this to turn up; if anything I rather expected issues with the keyboard based on all the complaints about it.
 
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Never said it was. It's definitely a nuisance that I don't want to keep around, and I'm glad that it appeared within warranty. I hope they'll exchange the screen swiftly. Didn't really expect such an issue like this to turn up; if anything I rather expected issues with the keyboard based on all the complaints about it.

I hear ya. I have gone through a litany of issues with several myself so far. That display issue hasn’t been one of them, or the flickering. But there seems to be a growing menu to choose from :(
 
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The current MBPs will go down in history as the least reliable to date, and Apple's had some reliability doozies in the past (2010 dGPU, etc). People can whiff my post away with anecdotal evidence that their machine is fine after a few weeks (lol) or the max possible 6 months, but the amount of utter failures you see here proves otherwise.

So I then definitely shouldn't consider a refurbished macbook pro? There are some from the Apple store with the same price as a new one, but with 16gb of RAM, which is better for Logic Pro.

I'm really stuck with the Mac either way, so I actually thought of just buying a macbook pro now, and then selling it and buying a new one once they come out this year.
 
If I had to buy a new Computer now I'd seriously consider the 2015 MacBook Pro (in fact I purchased one for a friend, albeit a 13" model).

Those are pretty reliable, should not suffer from staingate (correct me if I'm wrong here) and best of all: SSD is easily upgradeable using an adapter.

I got one in like new condition off eBay - the 128 GB models are reasonably priced as of now - put a Samsung Evo 970 in there. Great value for the price.
 
If I had to buy a new Computer now I'd seriously consider the 2015 MacBook Pro (in fact I purchased one for a friend, albeit a 13" model).

Those are pretty reliable, should not suffer from staingate (correct me if I'm wrong here) and best of all: SSD is easily upgradeable using an adapter.

I got one in like new condition off eBay - the 128 GB models are reasonably priced as of now - put a Samsung Evo 970 in there. Great value for the price.

They do suffer from staingate.

I agree about the EVo 970. I run 2 of them in my desktop system. Blazing fast!
 
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So I then definitely shouldn't consider a refurbished macbook pro? There are some from the Apple store with the same price as a new one, but with 16gb of RAM, which is better for Logic Pro.

I'm really stuck with the Mac either way, so I actually thought of just buying a macbook pro now, and then selling it and buying a new one once they come out this year.

Up to you, I wouldn't and I didn't. I just bought a brand new 2015 from Microcenter (Apple continued to manufacture and sell this model through July 2018) and I'm 1000% happy with it.

If I had to buy a new Computer now I'd seriously consider the 2015 MacBook Pro (in fact I purchased one for a friend, albeit a 13" model).

Those are pretty reliable, should not suffer from staingate (correct me if I'm wrong here) and best of all: SSD is easily upgradeable using an adapter.

I got one in like new condition off eBay - the 128 GB models are reasonably priced as of now - put a Samsung Evo 970 in there. Great value for the price.

Unfortunately ALL retina models, 2012-2018, are susecptible to staingate, so that's basically even across the board.
 
I have a 2017 15 inch MacBook Pro, I had my right speaker blow out about 6 months ago. I got it fixed in a week or so and I haven't had any problems since. I've known one person at work who had the same issue and I've read online that a couple of people have had the same issue, all with their 15 inch Macbook Pros.

It doesn't seem to be a large scale issue from what I've seen but it may be something you want to know about.
 
So I then definitely shouldn't consider a refurbished macbook pro?

In my opinion, do not buy a refurbished 2018 MacBook Pro. There is too much of a chance of getting one of the returns that had T2 problems. If you are getting any other year than 2018, buying it refurbished is fine.
 
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Put it this way, Apple knows the gen 2 butterfly keyboard is junk, did absolutely nothing to fix the mechanism, wrapped each key in silicone, and sold half this forum a turd wrapped in silicone and called it gen 3. Apple should be ashamed of themselves for continuing to sell products that they know de facto are faulty, which is exactly what they did with the 2018 release. Make all the excuses you want for Apple, but they literally took a known defective keyboard, wrapped a membrane around it, and did absolutely zero to fix the root mechanism cause of all the problems. Nobody at Apple seems to have any training on actual root cause analysis.


That’s absurd. I wouldn’t buy a 2016 though 2018 Pro because of all the issues, but the scenario you’re suggesting is ludicrous. Obviously there are issues, but take it easy with the tin foil.
 
12 days in with Macbook-pro-core-i5-2.3-13-mid-2018-true-tone-display-touch-bar and 100% flawless so far.
I have the same machine. Love it, no issues.
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My wife has had a few MBP's as well. She started off this year with a 2017 TB MBP 13 i5/256/8 and felt she didn't need the power of it and could live with the cheaper nTB 2017. Exchanged it for her. She used it for about 40 days and didn't like MacOS said:
Dude you are far more patient with your wife than I am with mine!
 
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That’s absurd. I wouldn’t buy a 2016 though 2018 Pro because of all the issues, but the scenario you’re suggesting is ludicrous. Obviously there are issues, but take it easy with the tin foil.

It's not ludicrous. They know - for a fact - that the gen 2 mechanism is problematic, proven by the 4 year warranty they have on the gen 2 keyboard, which was announced (and thus in the works) well before the 2018 models were released.

Gen 3 is literally the same, known defective gen 2 keyboard mechanism with a silicone membrane on it.

Apple wrapped up a turd with a gold bow and sold it to the public with gen 3, which is inexcusable. They KNOW they sold junk with the 2018 release, which can't be said for 2016 (the keyboard was new and unknown to have a problem), or 2017 (which was an actual revision to the keyboard mechanism that they thought would fix the problem, but later turned out not to). Gen 3 is the known gen 2 junk with rubber around it, but the root defect is still there.

How can you see it any other way when those are the simple objective facts? No tinfoil here.
 
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It's not ludicrous. They know - for a fact - that the gen 2 mechanism is problematic, proven by the 4 year warranty they have on the gen 2 keyboard, which was announced (and thus in the works) well before the 2018 models were released.

Gen 3 is literally the same, known defective gen 2 keyboard mechanism with a silicone membrane on it.

Apple wrapped up a turd with a gold bow and sold it to the public with gen 3, which is inexcusable. They KNOW they sold junk with the 2018 release, which can't be said for 2016 (the keyboard was new and unknown to have a problem), or 2017 (which was an actual revision to the keyboard mechanism that they thought would fix the problem, but later turned out not to). Gen 3 is the known gen 2 junk with rubber around it, but the root defect is still there.

How can you see it any other way when those are the simple objective facts? No tinfoil here.


What evidence is there that Apple didn’t think that the extra silicone would make a difference at all?
 
What evidence is there that Apple didn’t think that the extra silicone would make a difference at all?

A world class engineering company like Apple would know and certainly does know about root cause analysis, and releasing a product with a bandaid around the broken mechanism doesn't absolve them from their duty to get to the root of the problem with a formal root cause analysis procedure.

Apple knew that the 2018s would be problematic upon release, it's hard to imagine any scenario where they wouldn't have. Even if they thought the silicone would help, they knew it wasn't a real fix and they knew they weren't out of the woods, and it seems the membrane hasn't even bought users any extra time until the inevitable, since people are having problems within days of purchase.

Personally I just can't give Apple an inch of leeway on this. YMMV.
 
Nothing but good things to say about my 2018 13" MBP i7/500GB/16GB RAM.

Love the keyboard, even thought I was apprehensive abut it at first. When I now type on my MBA, it feels bloated and loose.

Initially I just backed up my old laptop and transferred all contents via migration...this broke a few apps and resulted in speeds I felt were a bit sluggish. So I copied all my files and erased the HD and reinstalled Mojave. Then I had to re install each app individually and transfer all my files over manually.

Was a bit of work but now the computer just zips along....I suspect there were many outdated files and system debris left over from my 3 previous laptops that were clogging up the pipes.

However I would not rest until I had this machine secured with a mosh iglaze clear case and an Uppercase keyboard protector. It has already prevented a lot of near invisible crap from entering the keyboard.
 
i love it, the trackpad i was thinking its too large on my 15" 2018 but when i go back to my 2014 15" MBP then i appreciate the 2018 one
The display is beautiful and bright outside, the speakers are awesome, to have 4 usbC that can do anything is heaven and so on (performance? you know its up there, maybe if you need a greag dGPU you should go with Vega)
 
I had two MBPs replaced and recently tried the third one before I finally moved to Windows. Had blown out speakers on the 2016 model, then stuck keys on the replacement, then a bridge OS crash on the new 15'' 2018.

You should take this as anecdotal evidence, just as the evidence from all the other people who had fine working MBPs, it doesn't make any sense to derive conclusions from individual cases. What is true about the new MPBs is that they were designed to cause more problems than other laptops with the untested keyboard and touch bar.
 
The keyboard worries me because of the reliability issue.
Other than that, everything is working perfectly. MBP 13" performance is phenomenal!
Me too, I suppose, if I could get a good amount for my 2018 machine, I'd look to replace it. Overall is a good machine, but I am worried about the durability and reliability of the keyboard.
 
Me too, I suppose, if I could get a good amount for my 2018 machine, I'd look to replace it. Overall is a good machine, but I am worried about the durability and reliability of the keyboard.

So Apple Care+ is a must then with the 2018 macbook pro? That's 300€ more than I expected then.
 
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So Apple Care+ is a must then with the 2018 macbook pro? That's 300€ more than I expected then.
If you're only worried about reliability (not accidental damages) then you can also still choose the AppleCare Protection Plan instead of AppleCare+. Much cheaper, same warranty-extension, but no coverage of accidental damage. It's what I went with on my 2018 MBP.
 
If you're only worried about reliability (not accidental damages) then you can also still choose the AppleCare Protection Plan instead of AppleCare+. Much cheaper, same warranty-extension, but no coverage of accidental damage. It's what I went with on my 2018 MBP.

Great to know, that's exactly what I want. Can't seem to find how much it would cost for my macbook pro 13 without entering a serial number. I guess I'll just ask at the store.
 
A world class engineering company like Apple would know and certainly does know about root cause analysis, and releasing a product with a bandaid around the broken mechanism doesn't absolve them from their duty to get to the root of the problem with a formal root cause analysis procedure.

Apple knew that the 2018s would be problematic upon release, it's hard to imagine any scenario where they wouldn't have. Even if they thought the silicone would help, they knew it wasn't a real fix and they knew they weren't out of the woods, and it seems the membrane hasn't even bought users any extra time until the inevitable, since people are having problems within days of purchase.

Personally I just can't give Apple an inch of leeway on this. YMMV.


So none then. There is no evidence that Apple believed that the 2018 keyboard update would not fix the issue.
I don't disagree that it's a disgrace, but I think you're taking 2+2 and getting 5.
 
Just upgraded from a 15" 2016 to a 2018 with i9, 32GB and Vega 20. Never had a issue with both the machines. Simply love it
 

Not very good data there for your point. In each link the Apple laptops are at the top of the list and far fewer issues than the major PC makers (as they should be)

To the OP's question, my 2018 13" quad has been flawless, as was my 2016 15", though I did nave to have the screen on the 15" replaced for a crack - can't say if it was normal, as I carry it on a backpack at job sites and it might have been accidental damage. AppleCare replaced it without issue - only time I've ever used AppleCare on a laptop. They did replace my iPad Pro for a white splotch on the screen, though it was not a big deal.

I did have to return my fist iMac Pro for constant reboots when brand new, but the replacement has been absolutely flawless.

I just replaced the mother board on my 2013 Mac Pro because of constant reboots and a dead ram slot, but I have cracked it open many times and swapped processors back and forth, so that's on me.

I also had my wife's Apple Watch One have the battery swollen issue, and it was covered even though AppleCare had expired.

As for PC's, My X1C5 has been flawless, the XPS13 was an absolute mess and the TB3 port never worked properly and Dell's TB3 dock got recalled, but they refused to fix/replace mine since I bought it from B&H. Had to replace the MB on an HP Spectre X360 under warranty, but HP handled it very well.

It's not always the lack of problems, but how they handle it that matters, Apple has always been excellent in my experience, Dell has always been awful. That's been my consistent experience in dealing with dozens (and dozens) of computers over the past 30 years.
 
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I hear ya. I have gone through a litany of issues with several myself so far. That display issue hasn’t been one of them, or the flickering. But there seems to be a growing menu to choose from :(
Unfortunately it seems so :(

I fortunately got my MacBook Pro back yesterday from the authorized service provider I brought it in, they replaced the display within warranty so for me it's all fine now, no trace of these annoying spots on the new display. Upside is, I got a completely new display that way, for whatever that's worth.

Still, it makes me worried what might happen if an issue like this occurs outside of warranty. I'd have either had to live with such an annoying spot in the middle of the display, or put down 500-1000€ to get it fixed, both of which doesn't sound very appealing...
 
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