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like what happens once you run out of space you paid for?
What happens when you run out of space in a bottle you paid for? You buy (more) bottle before you can carry more water with you.

what if i do not want every damn picture to show up everywhere.
Most people don't care. "Simple and easy" consumer software does what most people need and no more...

i guess its not meant to be a proper backup solution. the one reason i use services like dropbox etc is so i do not have to waste any actual space on the device itself
You are not using the term "backup" properly. If you upload a picture to Dropbox and delete it from your hard drive, Dropbox is not a backup. It is your primary storage.

Similarly, if you run out of space on your device, you can choose to keep the optimized versions only in Photos and it will delete as much as you need when you need space for something else. That way you don't have to keep track of which (and how many) pictures to delete manually and remember from where to re-download them when you need them.

In addition, Photos can be your "real" backup. You can keep every picture at full size on your hard drive and have them backed up in the cloud.
 
I'm embarrassed for Apple that they released Photos out of beta without geotagging support, when the application itself is so heavily dependent on location data.

Aperture had geotag support but it is very cumbersome and difficult to use, so much so that I stopped using it. that's why I am beginning the chore now. Hudahgeo does a good job, though it means it is problematic to import everything at once into Photos. I am optimistic that a better solution will come along soon, based only on Houdahgeo's recent application update and blog post.
 
my problem is that its too simple and you have no control over your pictures. its far too dangerous to me.

like what happens once you run out of space you paid for?
what if i do not want every damn picture to show up everywhere.

i guess its not meant to be a proper backup solution. the one reason i use services like dropbox etc is so i do not have to waste any actual space on the device itself

A proper backup solution would actually keep a PROPER backup. Dropbox and the others don't give you a proper backup because as soon as you do ANYTHING with your library, dropbox's old copy is dead wrong and out of sync. That's because they don't do two way sync. It's just a one way street just like Photostream was.

iCloud Photos is the only way you can get a "proper" backup of your photos. But it's more than just a backup. It's your actual library. Just like how email works.

what if i do not want every damn picture to show up everywhere.

What if you don't want every damn email to show up everywhere? Well then you have to go back to the old stupid POP email way from the hotmail days where everything is out of sync.

I love having access to all my photos. That doesn't mean I want to actually download all of them to my phone though So with iCloud Photos, you can choose to "optimize storage" so you only see a thumbnail of most photos and videos. They then only download to your device in full resolution when you need to view or share them. So it's the best of both worlds. Plus it smartly keeps full resolution of your favorites and recents so you don't have to wait at all for them to download when you tap on them. Also if you have lots of space available, it automatically compensates to add more by default.

iCloud Photos is probably the best designed cloud solution I've seen in a long time as far as the mechanics of how it works and the magnitude of the problems it solves. Sure you probably need to upgrade storage, but good stuff cost money and I don't know about you but my precious memories are worth far more than the amount it costs to keep them PROPERLY backed up and available everywhere to me.
 
What if I don't want to PAY for iCloud Photos? Now I'm stuck with the confusing Photostream.

...or the confusing Dropbox ...or the confusing One Drive ...or the confusing Google Drive.

The fact of the matter is Photostream, Dropbox, Microsoft, and Google all are a confusing way and extremely poor way to handle photos on your iPhone because none of them provide a true PROPER backup. They all are a one way street and as soon as you change even ONE thing in your library they are out of sync and no longer a TRUE backup. If you access them after making a change, they don't reflect your real library. And if you restore from them a year from now you lose everything you have ever done. What kind of a backup isn't really a backup?

iCloud Photos is the only way to get a true backup solution. But again it's more than just a backup. It gives you your actual photo library on all your devices.

Time Machine is seen as a true backup solution for the Mac because it restores everything exactly as it was before. When it comes to photos... Dropbox, Photostream, Amazon, Google Drive, etc. don't. iCloud Photos does. And speaking of Time Machine, you get a local backup of your iCloud Photo library as well if you have Time Machine turned on in addition to the true library on all your devices plus the true backup in iCloud. You really can't get any better than that.
 
All photos taken on my phone go to Photo Stream, which Photos on my Mac saves to the hard drive. Perfect cable-less way for my Mac to be my digital hub of photos.
And you you do get deletes and edits back to the phone? Let alone photos taken with other devices? Photo Stream is great as a one-way sync (and between iOS devices also a partial, as in can-delete-photo-on-all-devices, two-way sync, though only until you hit the 1000 image ceiling).
 
what about making smart albums for videos? or gifs? both i want

ninja edit: create smart album> filename> include "gif"
 
The fact of the matter is Photostream, Dropbox, Microsoft, and Google all are a confusing way and extremely poor way to handle photos on your iPhone because none of them provide a true PROPER backup.
iCloud Photos is the only way to get a true backup solution.

Everything that provides automatic 'copying' of images from your phone to your computer also - by the extension of the backup of your computer - provides a proper backup.
 
So with iCloud Photos, you can choose to "optimize storage" so you only see a thumbnail of most photos and videos. They then only download to your device in full resolution when you need to view or share them.

so how do i get rid of the downloaded full resolution picture once i have viewed it and no use for it anymore on my iDevice without it being deleted everywhere? if i download random pics just to view them its gonna fill up my iPhone after a while.

i still find the apple way utterly useless but maybe its just my use case. dropbox etc does it a lot better. i can make folders and just drag and drop the stuff i want in it and it shows up on all of my devices but doesnt keep any local copies that wastes space on my devices. the only reason i actually make backup in clouds is so i can save space on my 128 GB SSD MacBook Pro / iPhone 6 64GB and iPad Air 2 64 GB
 
I wish I could have just improved the photos from my iPhone instead of having to download a 40gb library off the internet :(
 
Aperture had geotag support but it is very cumbersome and difficult to use, so much so that I stopped using it. that's why I am beginning the chore now. Hudahgeo does a good job, though it means it is problematic to import everything at once into Photos. I am optimistic that a better solution will come along soon, based only on Houdahgeo's recent application update and blog post.

Thanks for the heads-up. I will check them out.
 
so how do i get rid of the downloaded full resolution picture once i have viewed it and no use for it anymore on my iDevice without it being deleted everywhere? if i download random pics just to view them its gonna fill up my iPhone after a while.
You don't have to do anything. If you need storage space on iOS device or Mac, it automatically replaces the full resolution pictures with smaller preview ones starting from the ones that you have not viewed for the longest time (assuming you told it to optimize storage rather than always keeping full size versions.)
 
Everything that provides automatic 'copying' of images from your phone to your computer also - by the extension of the backup of your computer - provides a proper backup.

If deleting a photo on your phone deletes it everywhere, then it's a duplicate not a backup.
 
If deleting a photo on your phone deletes it everywhere, then it's a duplicate not a backup.

True, but it is a backup for those who's device (computer/phone/iPad) disappears and they don't have a detailed backup plan in place. The rest of us will keep multiple backups as usual.
 
If deleting a photo on your phone deletes it everywhere, then it's a duplicate not a backup.
But your fricking computer is backed up and thus every image file that is stored your computer is automatically backed up as well. That is exactly what I already said in my previous post.

And on top of that, iPhoto and Aperture can be set to automatically import every new image added to Photo Stream, and once the image is in the iPhoto or Aperture library proper, deleting them on the phone will not delete them on the computer. And with Photo Stream you have to delete the image from the actual Photo Stream to remove it from other devices, deleting it from the camera roll didn't do the trick.

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so how do i get rid of the downloaded full resolution picture once i have viewed it and no use for it anymore on my iDevice without it being deleted everywhere? if i download random pics just to view them its gonna fill up my iPhone after a while.

i still find the apple way utterly useless but maybe its just my use case. dropbox etc does it a lot better. i can make folders and just drag and drop the stuff i want in it and it shows up on all of my devices but doesnt keep any local copies that wastes space on my devices. the only reason i actually make backup in clouds is so i can save space on my 128 GB SSD MacBook Pro / iPhone 6 64GB and iPad Air 2 64 GB
May I ask by which magic Dropbox doesn't keep a local copy of a previously 'viewed'/used image? And why this magic is not accessible to Apple?
 
You can't easily give titles to the photos like you could before

Before I upgraded to Photos I could import a new batch of photos and there was text under each photo that you could highlight change and then tab to the next photo and do the same until you got to end of the photos you just imported. I don't see any easy way to do that with Photos. With Photos you have to go to the view pull down menu and select Titles. And then you still can't tab or space or use the arrow keys to go quickly from one photo to the next to add titles. You also can use the tabs key to go from one photo to the next. The tab key is easier to use than hitting the right arrow key when you are quickly trying to go forward through a group of photos. Why does Apple continue to try to reinvent the wheel when what they already had was in many respects easier to navigate. Same thing with importing photos. Before when you imported photos from a digital camera you were given the ability to create a new event and there was a space for an event name. OK, so there are no more events. But you if you are going to force me to use Albums then why not give me a field or a pull down menu at the top of the import window so that I can create the album or search for one already created right when I am importing my photos. Why do you force me to first import the photos, then go back and create a new album or pick one already created. That doesn't same me time and is isn't intuitive at all. I should be able to create where I am going to put the photos right as I am importing them, not after.
 
so how do i get rid of the downloaded full resolution picture once i have viewed it and no use for it anymore on my iDevice without it being deleted everywhere? if i download random pics just to view them its gonna fill up my iPhone after a while.

i still find the apple way utterly useless but maybe its just my use case. dropbox etc does it a lot better. i can make folders and just drag and drop the stuff i want in it and it shows up on all of my devices but doesnt keep any local copies that wastes space on my devices. the only reason i actually make backup in clouds is so i can save space on my 128 GB SSD MacBook Pro / iPhone 6 64GB and iPad Air 2 64 GB

I'm not sure why you are not understanding it. iCloud Photos automatically manages the space in the background. Apple makes the operating system. So they can make an app that smartly works together with that system to manage needed space which is what Photos does in the background.

This is like those people worried about Yosemite using up all available RAM. It's supposed to work that way. Having extra unused space just sitting around doesn't do anything for you. The OS manages the space. When extra space is needed, extra space is released. It's as simple as that.

But sure just go ahead with your so called "backup" with dropbox if that makes you feel better. I tell you what, go ahead and make some changes to your library on your phone other than just adding a photo and then check if dropbox's so called "backup" stays correct. Ok I'll just save you the time. No it won't.

Only iCloud Photos can give you a true and proper backup.
 
...or the confusing Dropbox ...or the confusing One Drive ...or the confusing Google Drive.

The fact of the matter is Photostream, Dropbox, Microsoft, and Google all are a confusing way and extremely poor way to handle photos on your iPhone because none of them provide a true PROPER backup. They all are a one way street and as soon as you change even ONE thing in your library they are out of sync and no longer a TRUE backup. If you access them after making a change, they don't reflect your real library. And if you restore from them a year from now you lose everything you have ever done. What kind of a backup isn't really a backup?

iCloud Photos is the only way to get a true backup solution. But again it's more than just a backup. It gives you your actual photo library on all your devices.

Time Machine is seen as a true backup solution for the Mac because it restores everything exactly as it was before. When it comes to photos... Dropbox, Photostream, Amazon, Google Drive, etc. don't. iCloud Photos does. And speaking of Time Machine, you get a local backup of your iCloud Photo library as well if you have Time Machine turned on in addition to the true library on all your devices plus the true backup in iCloud. You really can't get any better than that.

This ain't no true/proper backup. I have time machine for versioning AND CCC cloning my drive daily. THAT'S a real backup.

iCloud Photos is being marketed as photos available everywhere r/w both ways, NOT as a backup.
 
But your fricking computer is backed up and thus every image file that is stored your computer is automatically backed up as well. That is exactly what I already said in my previous post.

And on top of that, iPhoto and Aperture can be set to automatically import every new image added to Photo Stream, and once the image is in the iPhoto or Aperture library proper, deleting them on the phone will not delete them on the computer. And with Photo Stream you have to delete the image from the actual Photo Stream to remove it from other devices, deleting it from the camera roll didn't do the trick.

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May I ask by which magic Dropbox doesn't keep a local copy of a previously 'viewed'/used image? And why this magic is not accessible to Apple?

you simply disable the folders you do not want to sync to your desktop and access them remotely through the browser. also the apps dont store anything local. it always requires an internet connection to pull it form the cloud and once you leave the app its puff gone again
 
This ain't no true/proper backup. I have time machine for versioning AND CCC cloning my drive daily. THAT'S a real backup.

iCloud Photos is being marketed as photos available everywhere r/w both ways, NOT as a backup.

It's a backup because your photos are stored on multiple devices and computers locally. You can lose your Mac or iPhone and still have your full library locally on another Mac or iPhone. And like I said, since iCloud Photo Library is an actual file on your computer, you get multiple local backups and versioning through Time Machine, CCC, or any other backup solution.

Dropbox, Amazon, Google, etc. don't give you anything close to an actual backup because they don't do two way sync. And the poor "backup" they do is cloud only which is even worse. That much is certainly clear.
 
If you use the Export command and want to export a JPEG, TIFF, or PNG, the resulting file will retain keyword and location data, etc. You can verify this by opening the exported image in the Preview app and (COMMAND-I). Then click on the various tabs to see all the data. You do have to make sure you have both Info check boxes checked in the Export dialog.
That's what I do, anyway.

Thanks Rick.

I wonder what happens to the original file if you don't export anything? ie. just make changes to keywords - is there a way to update the file?
 
So far the new OS X Photos app has been a complete dud. It seems much harder to do most all functions and many just don't work at all. My iPhone 6 has shown the same 2 (quite old) photos as new for months. Importing them shows imported, but they go right back as new photos.

What I see so far is an alpha level product, not even beta. Maybe others have better results, but thats my view so far.
 
It's a backup because your photos are stored on multiple devices and computers locally. You can lose your Mac or iPhone and still have your full library locally on another Mac or iPhone. And like I said, since iCloud Photo Library is an actual file on your computer, you get multiple local backups and versioning through Time Machine, CCC, or any other backup solution.

Dropbox, Amazon, Google, etc. don't give you anything close to an actual backup because they don't do two way sync. And the poor "backup" they do is cloud only which is even worse. That much is certainly clear.

Time machine and CCC isn't a feature of iCloud Photos, so stop rolling it into an all in one software solution.

As for Dropbox if I add a file or remove it, it's reflected on all devices.
 
True, but it is a backup for those who's device (computer/phone/iPad) disappears and they don't have a detailed backup plan in place. The rest of us will keep multiple backups as usual.

Ha! I just wait for the first retard who thinks that more space is needed on the iPhone and deletes all his photos -causing a sync to all other devices and wiping out his whole family photo collection ;)

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But your fricking computer is backed up and thus every image file that is stored your computer is automatically backed up as well.

Possibly.

But people that think that finally they have a backup with iCloud are usually not the kind of people that backup their computers with TimeMachine etc., let alone storing extra copies geographically somewhere else. :cool:

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A proper backup solution would actually keep a PROPER backup. Dropbox and the others don't give you a proper backup because as soon as you do ANYTHING with your library, dropbox's old copy is dead wrong and out of sync. That's because they don't do two way sync. It's just a one way street just like Photostream was.

iCloud Photos is the only way you can get a "proper" backup of your photos. But it's more than just a backup. It's your actual library. Just like how email works.

All of the above is plain wrong! Don't listen to this guy!
 
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