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why should I have to CMD+W to close the document, then, CMD+Q to quit the app as i dont need it anymore
when all I want to do is close the app
CMD+Q and have it forget everything, then open as new next time

Apps written for Lion shouldn't need to be quit manually anymore, except for ones doing background operations. So you can mostly concentrate on managing app windows or documents. To have CMD+Q mean that the application forgets everything about its state seems very arbitrary. Especially when you're only forced to quit an app to make sure you have enough free RAM for other apps, or just want to turn off whatever the app is currently doing in the background.
 
Apps written for Lion shouldn't need to be quit manually anymore, except for ones doing background operations. So you can mostly concentrate on managing app windows or documents. To have CMD+Q mean that the application forgets everything about its state seems very arbitrary. Especially when you're only forced to quit an app to make sure you have enough free RAM for other apps, or just want to turn off whatever the app is currently doing in the background.

No Thanks

You can do it that way if you wish

I want to use an app, when finished with it close it, dont want my dock to fill up with everything i ever opened since last reboot
 
It is incredibly hard to break the habit of closing down all applications and saving your work before logging out. Not to mention the additional time it takes for resume to write the contents to disk.

Fully agree.
 
I want to use an app, when finished with it close it, dont want my dock to fill up with everything i ever opened since last reboot

With many apps written for Lion, that's not actually what happens. QT Player, TextEdit, Preview.app and Automator for example should all have their Dock icon disappear after you've closed all documents. Still seems a bit buggy though.

I don't even think there's an option for disabling this behavior.
 
With many apps written for Lion, that's not actually what happens. QT Player, TextEdit, Preview.app and Automator for example should all have their Dock icon disappear after you've closed all documents

Fair enough, didnt know that, I still prefer closing apps when i know I am not going to use them again in the near future

I dont see what the problem is

you want to CMD+W to just close the document

I want to CMD+Q to close the app and have it forget the session i was just in and start from scratch next time I open it
 
I personally do not care for the new Resume feature. I disabled the option in the general system preferences. If I can now just find a way to have the restore windows option in the restart/shutdown window not enabled by default, I will be happy. Since it doesn't stay deselected, I treated it as a bug and called Apple Support.

Steffen
 
And that's where, in this case, I disagree completely. It's just that if you've used a computer for long enough you don't recognize certain behaviors as problems anymore, among them (to a point) manual process management, manual saving, non-existent truly easy-to-use and integrated versioning systems, and applications or the system as a whole not preserving their state when restarted. This truly seems like a big deal to me in the long run. It's only expected that it would be controversial at first, especially among experienced computer users.

Or I've never regarded any of these as problems before. Again, a solution in search of a problem.

I want to manually manage my applications, I don't want to rely on the system to do it. Certain scenarios requires that certain applications be closed, etc.., I don't want to sit there questioning whether the system is bright enough to do it.

Again, as an option, fine. But don't lambast people for "not giving it a chance" or for "having bad habits". Different strokes for different folks, the option is there and that is the ideal situation. You use it if it's good for you, I won't because It causes me more headaches than it solves.
 
I'm not running Lion yet, but I've read that holding down the shift key whilst launching an app disables resume.

This is correct and is how I've been using it. I leave resume on, but then if I need to one time override, I hold shift when launching from the dock.
 
Or I've never regarded any of these as problems before. Again, a solution in search of a problem.

Just because you've never regarded any of these as problems before, doesn't mean, that Apple has implemented a solution in search of a problem. But I will certainly accept that you see it that way for yourself.
 
How exactly have Apple made "bad design choices" here? It seems, at this point, most people are annoyed either because they don't really understand the feature, don't want to unlearn old habits to re-learn new, generally more sensible ones, or can't accept that it takes application developers time to adopt the feature in their own application.

Of course I don't want to unlearn old habits and re-learn new ones. It's an OPERATING SYSTEM, not a life choice. I quite smoking. That was hard, took time, and made sense to my life. For my current computing needs, however, I don't need to learn new basic crap - I need greater security and to spend LESS time behind this screen.

Nice new options are fine, just please don't cram 'em down my throat.

Apple needs to make these huge changes optional while retaining the point behind a new OS - better functionality (not necessarily new functionality unless users want it) and more security.

Oh, and boys, sophomoric veiled references to your porno habits are not really all that funny. More cringe-inducing. Keep the private stuff private, please.
 
Anyone found out if there is a way to set the "resume"-checkbox at the logout/restart-dialog box to disabled by default?

This is a really annoying feature... when I restart, I expect to get on scratch again....it has been like that for over 20 years, and this is not the time to change it :)
 
I'm a bit surprised to see all these people sharing their user accounts in OS X with others in the family, yet still worry about the 'online banking' activities being discovered. Do you remember to clear history in Safari as well? How about the 'recent items' list in QuickTime?

Oh, and btw, my wife already knows my taste in 'bank accounts', simply because I told her. :D

Yeah, I have a separate account for banking... It is hidden from the login window. I guess if my wife was tech savvy she'd be wondering why the storage capacity and usage don't add up... :D
 
Anyone found out if there is a way to set the "resume"-checkbox at the logout/restart-dialog box to disabled by default?

This is a really annoying feature... when I restart, I expect to get on scratch again....it has been like that for over 20 years, and this is not the time to change it :)

Also looking for this.
 
With many apps written for Lion, that's not actually what happens. QT Player, TextEdit, Preview.app and Automator for example should all have their Dock icon disappear after you've closed all documents. Still seems a bit buggy though.

How is it buggy?
 
How is it buggy?

The behavior becomes a bit unpredictable after the app has been running for a while, and usually the dock icon then won't disappear anymore even after you've closed all of the app's windows.
 
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Just because you've never regarded any of these as problems before, doesn't mean, that Apple has implemented a solution in search of a problem. But I will certainly accept that you see it that way for yourself.

Now, if you could accept everyone else's opinions and drop the "Apple's new way is best, all of you are wrong and have bad habits" language, that would be most pleasant.

No habits are bad, and no way is better. The new way doesn't necessarily make you more productive if it's in your way and not helping you and forcing you that many more keystroke to quit applications.
 
Now, if you could accept everyone else's opinions and drop the "Apple's new way is best, all of you are wrong and have bad habits" language, that would be most pleasant.

Did it really seem so offensive to you when I wrote that we're so used to hitting CMD+Q. Time to unlearn 'bad' habits... ??? :confused:. Isn't it obvious that I was including myself in that, and that obviously calling hitting CMD+Q a "bad" habit was a bit tongue-in-cheek, since all these years that is exactly the habit we all have been trying to teach our parents and friends who just wouldn't get the fact, that closing a window does not terminate the application? Now that Apple has begun to eliminate the need to manually quit applications, with a solution called "Automatic termination [which] transfers the job of managing processes from the user to the system, which is better equipped to handle the job" (my emphasis) [1], for most of us it is indeed time to begin to let go of "bad", or rather unnecessary habits.

[1] http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/General/Conceptual/MOSXAppProgrammingGuide/CoreAppDesign/CoreAppDesign.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40010543-CH3-SW27
 
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Thats the best tip, I really don't like it. In particular in Safari, when I am done with the webpages that are current open I don't want them to come back.
 
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I have had so many people yell at me as I try and help them with their computer troubles that they wished something like resume existed.

Now it exists and some of these sane people are yelling at me that it does.

People just have so much trouble not freaking out at something new.

Agreed! If you don't like it, switch it off.
 
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