How To Safely Re-Install iTunes 10.7 in Mavericks

Negritude

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If you've tried re-installing iTunes 10.7 under the release version of Mavericks, using guides that were developed for Mountain Lion and before, you may know by now that doing so messes up the operation of the Mac App Store (MAS).

iTunes 11 now shares the use of several important frameworks and libraries with the MAS, and if you do a full install of iTunes 10.7 in Mavericks using Pacifist, you'll end up with a less than functional software update system (it should be noted that this has been reported to only manifest itself after the first post-install reboot).

Because the MAS is now the delivery mechanism for all Apple software, not only applications but system software and security updates, it's no longer feasible to consider re-installing iTunes 10.7 using the standard methods.

To avoid this problem, I started to wonder whether it was possible to re-install iTunes 10.7 by simply extracting iTunes.app by itself, without overwriting any of the other support components. I can report that I was able to do this with success, there being only a few caveats:

(1) You'll need to rename iTunes.app to something like iTunes10.app. The reason for this is that if you leave the name the same, and you ever repair permissions, disk utility will mess up the permissions of the older version of iTunes and it won't start, because it will be assuming that the app is version 11. Renaming the app makes it invisible to permissions repair.

(2) In order to prevent from accidently starting iTunes 11 and permanently converting your library indexes and playlists to the version 11 format, rendering them unusable by iTunes 10, you should rename the version 11 app to ".iTunes.app". Notice the period at the front? That makes the app invisible in the Finder, and prevents it from showing up in Spotlight searches. Now, if you ever do decide to use 11 for whatever reason, the app is still there, so you can always rename it back, but it's out of the way, and it's impossible for you to invoke it by accident.

(3) When first starting iTunes 10.7, you may get a message saying "an unknown error occurred". You can safely ignore that. Everything seems to be functioning correctly, although I don't have an iOS device to test syncing with, and if you're using iOS 7 on any device, syncing would require iTunes 11 anyway.

Let me know if anyone else tries this and if you have any problems.

TL;DR
Full re-install borks MAS in Mavericks, so extract app only and rename.
 
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hallux

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What's the reason for installing iTunes 10.7?
Some people don't care for the new look and possibly some of the feature/function changes. I'm not one, I couldn't care less what it looks like as long as it plays my library...
 

vanady

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If you've tried re-installing iTunes 10.7 under the release version of Mavericks,...
i have the following situation: i have installed itunes 10 using pacifist. MAS doesn't work.

please, can u describe the process of installing step by step:

1) should i delete itunes 10?
2) what i should install the first and what the second.
3) how to rename itunes 11? i can't do that (itunes 10 is "renamable")
4) hot to reinstall MAS? (should i find DMG in WEB of it and extract it?)
 
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Negritude

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i have the following situation: i have installed itunes 10 using pacifist. MAS doesn't work.

please, can u describe the process of installing step by step:

1) should i delete itunes 10?
2) what i should install the first and what the second.
3) how to rename itunes 11? i can't do that (itunes 10 is "renamable")
4) hot to reinstall MAS? (should i find DMG in WEB of it and extract it?)
You've already messed things up and have to start from scratch re-installing Mavericks or seeing if there's some way for you to use Pacifist to just re-install iTunes 11 and it's associated files, but that's going to get complicated, so basically, you need to go back and re-install Mavericks.

Once you do that, the only thing you want to do is install the 10.7 iTunes.app by itself, and nothing else. First rename the original iTunes.app as I explained above to move it out of the way, then drag the iTunes.app out of the 10.7 package using Pacifist and place it in the applications folder (you can extract individual files using Pacifist). Doing any of this will require you to be using an administrator account and you may need to authenticate with your password. Once you've placed the 10.7 iTunes.app in applications, then immediately rename it so that permissions repair doesn't mess it up.
 

vanady

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and how do u rename the original itunes with the period? when i try to do that i got a message that this filename is reserved by the system and i should choose another name.

and what about MAS reinstall? how to do that?
 
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vanady

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i have installed itunes 10.7 together with itunes 11 but the problem with the error 42408 remained - with this error u can't purchase or download any app in App Store (itunes app store).

For those people who don't have ios devices this problem is not so critical. Also with this problem iTunes Match doesn't work.

so, may be ur solution is usefeull for somebody. thanks any way.
 

vanady

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Nov 4, 2013
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If you've tried re-installing iTunes 10.7
have found that problem with MAS is caused by replacing CoreFP.framework during installing itunes 10.7 via pacifist. After pacifist have replaced this framework MAS doen't work.

But if we don't replace CoreFP.framework we get an error -42408 which doesn't allow to sign in iTunes Store, iTunes Match and etc in iTunes 10.7. But MAS will work fine.

So, the problem is in this framework. May be somebody knows how solve this problem?
 
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pcgeek12345

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You guys do realize you can easily get the old look back…

View —> Show Sidebar. What else is different besides that? If you don’t use the new features than just leave them be…
 

vanady

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You guys do realize you can easily get the old look back…

View —> Show Sidebar. What else is different besides that? If you don’t use the new features than just leave them be…
as for me, i need Cover Flow view of my collection
 

Dan Cook

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my solution!

Hi guys thought I'd let you know what worked for me!
As Vanady says:
"have found that problem with MAS is caused by replacing CoreFP.framework during installing itunes 10.7 via pacifist. After pacifist have replaced this framework MAS doen't work.

But if we don't replace CoreFP.framework we get an error -42408 which doesn't allow to sign in iTunes Store, iTunes Match and etc in iTunes 10.7. But MAS will work fine.

So, the problem is in this framework. May be somebody knows how solve this problem?"

The problem lies in the CoreFP.framework.
I therefore (after using Pacifier to reinstall 10.7) used Pacifier again to extract JUST the CoreFP file from iTunes 11 to my desktop.
I then removed the iTunes 10.7 CoreFP file from the 'PrivateFrameworks' folder in 'Library'/'System', copying it to another folder as you need it again shortly.
I then copied the new iTunes 11 file into the Privaetframeworks folder and re-named it by simply adding a '2' to the end of the filename. This turns the file into a folder.
Then drag the 10.7 CoreFP file back into its original location.
In effect you now have 2 core files in that folder, one for iTunes 10 and one for iTunes 11.
I now have a working App Store and an iTunes that doesn't display -42408 error, and that allows me to log into Itunes store as it should.
Each app seems to use the CoreFP file it needs and doesn't worry about the extra one. I'm amazed it works frankly!
 

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bafonso

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I've used pacifist to replace back the itunes11 and I still cannot update/install Xcode. I get the "purchases" message.

I've checked and in CoreFP all files are from the itunes11 pacifist or full installation (from DMG from apple). I'm not sure what else may be broken...
 

mocman

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I have had a prob with iTunes since the Mav install. I have reinstalled then installed from back up to no avail. The prob is that when I open iTunes all I get is the iTunes logo on top left and thats it. It will not open at all. I delete and reinstalled numerous times and it works fine the first time. Then it repeats error when opened the second time. What Gives.......:mad:
 

bafonso

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Jan 26, 2010
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I've used pacifist to replace back the itunes11 and I still cannot update/install Xcode. I get the "purchases" message.

I've checked and in CoreFP all files are from the itunes11 pacifist or full installation (from DMG from apple). I'm not sure what else may be broken...
Rebooting fixed my problem
 

Negritude

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I've assumed that was the real, unstated reason for most folks.
Wrong. For a lot of people, the loss of Cover Flow was the big reason for hating iTunes 11.

I always hate the arrogance of those who assume the worst when people don't bow down to the Apple machine.
 

Negritude

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Regardless, I don't consider removing DRM from videos that you purchased, "the worst."
Sorry, didn't meant to get snippy with you, I just get annoyed that people assume that it's about DRM removal, i.e., that someone is trying to break the rules or pull a fast one. It has nothing to do with that. We just don't like the feature changes that Apple has made, and are trying to hang on to the old version for a little while longer.

The other big issue, in addition to Cover Flow, is the way that album art is displayed generally. It's just not the same (e.g., the max size of the cover art is one aspect).
 
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vanady

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Nov 4, 2013
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Hi guys thought I'd let you know what worked for me!
As Vanady says:
"have found that problem with MAS is caused by replacing CoreFP.framework during installing itunes 10.7 via pacifist. After pacifist have replaced this framework MAS doen't work.

But if we don't replace CoreFP.framework we get an error -42408 which doesn't allow to sign in iTunes Store, iTunes Match and etc in iTunes 10.7. But MAS will work fine.

So, the problem is in this framework. May be somebody knows how solve this problem?"

The problem lies in the CoreFP.framework.
I therefore (after using Pacifier to reinstall 10.7) used Pacifier again to extract JUST the CoreFP file from iTunes 11 to my desktop.
I then removed the iTunes 10.7 CoreFP file from the 'PrivateFrameworks' folder in 'Library'/'System', copying it to another folder as you need it again shortly.
I then copied the new iTunes 11 file into the Privaetframeworks folder and re-named it by simply adding a '2' to the end of the filename. This turns the file into a folder.
Then drag the 10.7 CoreFP file back into its original location.
In effect you now have 2 core files in that folder, one for iTunes 10 and one for iTunes 11.
I now have a working App Store and an iTunes that doesn't display -42408 error, and that allows me to log into Itunes store as it should.
Each app seems to use the CoreFP file it needs and doesn't worry about the extra one. I'm amazed it works frankly!

doesn't work for me - "purchase error" in MAS

can u describe the process step by step
 
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lewismayell

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"This software is starting to look dated"
"I wish we had old software again"

What is it with people wanting to use old software just because they aren't used to new aesthetics. iTunes is much better in 11 than it was in 10.
 

djchick

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Dec 3, 2013
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The problem is not that we want an older iTunes because we do not like the newer one, we cannot update older iPads with the new one. iTunes 10.7 will allow me to sync thru the cloud and now with Maverick I can no longer sync my iPad. Of course, I have the first gen iPad.:(
 

nuno1959

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Oct 19, 2009
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"This software is starting to look dated"
"I wish we had old software again"

What is it with people wanting to use old software just because they aren't used to new aesthetics. iTunes is much better in 11 than it was in 10.
i'm delighted you like it better than 10.7, personally i find it hopeless to ''navigate'' through almost 3TB of music & it's got NOTHING to do w/ new aesthetics, it's about getting rid of features that actually break the way an app works for some

why is it so many people have such a hard time understanding that what makes an app great for them, makes it outright useless to others ? worse, why do they feel compelled to post over & over an opinion which is basically irrelevant to threads such as this one ?
is anyone forcing 10.7 on anyone ? didn't think so..

i've always heard : ''...to each his own…'' & as far as i'm concerned you can even be a Windows/Linux/whatever user, i couldn't care less, whatever rocks your boat is FINE by me - now if only you could ''widen your horizons'' & reciprocate ?

THAT would be an upgrade worth having right there !….
 

soulshakepower

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Dec 28, 2013
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Thanks You

:) Thanks you Negritude. :)
Your solution worked perfectly for me. iTunes 10 + Mac App Store run like a charm. Not a single error. From now, I'll avoid iTunes 11 updates to be sure things stays like that.
 

Borderdog

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Feb 25, 2014
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If you've tried re-installing iTunes 10.7 under the release version of Mavericks, using guides that were developed for Mountain Lion and before, you may know by now that doing so messes up the operation of the Mac App Store (MAS).

iTunes 11 now shares the use of several important frameworks and libraries with the MAS, and if you do a full install of iTunes 10.7 in Mavericks using Pacifist, you'll end up with a less than functional software update system (it should be noted that this has been reported to only manifest itself after the first post-install reboot).

Because the MAS is now the delivery mechanism for all Apple software, not only applications but system software and security updates, it's no longer feasible to consider re-installing iTunes 10.7 using the standard methods.

To avoid this problem, I started to wonder whether it was possible to re-install iTunes 10.7 by simply extracting iTunes.app by itself, without overwriting any of the other support components. I can report that I was able to do this with success, there being only a few caveats:

(1) You'll need to rename iTunes.app to something like iTunes10.app. The reason for this is that if you leave the name the same, and you ever repair permissions, disk utility will mess up the permissions of the older version of iTunes and it won't start, because it will be assuming that the app is version 11. Renaming the app makes it invisible to permissions repair.

(2) In order to prevent from accidently starting iTunes 11 and permanently converting your library indexes and playlists to the version 11 format, rendering them unusable by iTunes 10, you should rename the version 11 app to ".iTunes.app". Notice the period at the front? That makes the app invisible in the Finder, and prevents it from showing up in Spotlight searches. Now, if you ever do decide to use 11 for whatever reason, the app is still there, so you can always rename it back, but it's out of the way, and it's impossible for you to invoke it by accident.

(3) When first starting iTunes 10.7, you may get a message saying "an unknown error occurred". You can safely ignore that. Everything seems to be functioning correctly, although I don't have an iOS device to test syncing with, and if you're using iOS 7 on any device, syncing would require iTunes 11 anyway.

Let me know if anyone else tries this and if you have any problems.

TL;DR
Full re-install borks MAS in Mavericks, so extract app only and rename.
Your directions to retain iTunes 10 when upgrading to Mavericks seem the most logical of all the different ways I've found in my searching.
The main problem I'm having is changing the name of iTunes. I cannot change any of the names of OSX related apps such as Preview, Mail, Safari, or iTunes.
How were you able to change the name of iTunes?
 
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