For smaller projects and getting to grips to video editing, FC HD is a good place to start - trust me.
Do a Google search - it's very well regarded.
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How to sell the parents on getting me a MBP?
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Do a Google search - it's very well regarded.
Final Cut Express HD > Premiere.
Premiere sucks. For editing SD DV, FCE is about the same as FCP. The only main thing it really lacks is cinema tools for telecining 24p and ****.
Plus, paying $600 for it is foolish when Final Cut Express does the same exact **** better for only $300.
TO THE OP: You don't need a Macbook Pro to edit home movies. A Macbook, 17'' iMac, or even a Mac Mini will all run Final Cut Express HD 3.5 perfectly, and you will save a ton of money.
I agree with zioxide. For doing video editing, an iMac would be a better value and give the OP a bigger screen than anything but the 17" MBP.
To the OP: Why so dead set on a mobile computer? It's still two years before you're off to college, so it's not like you can get that much extra value out of a laptop anyway.
To the OP: Why so dead set on a mobile computer? It's still two years before you're off to college, so it's not like you can get that much extra value out of a laptop anyway.
True. I was actually thinking of not even getting a Mac
at first because I wanted to custom build a PC with AMD Athlon 6000 Core Duo 3.0 Ghz, 2 Crossfire ATI Radeon 2900 512 MB GPUS, 500 GB HDD, Vista, ect. all for under $1700. I want to get the Macbook Pro because of the mobility of it, I can run both windows and mac osx, and the video editing software with FCE. With a PC are there any good semi-pro easy to use programs. Pinnacle is too beginner and I really dont like the interface with Adobe Premiere Pro. I heard some good things about Sony Vegas, but what do you guys think.Why do you need a MacBook Pro? And since you are working, why do you need your parents to get you one? If you can't afford it, how about MacBook instead? You could talk with your parents about getting a MacBook, with you paying half the price. If I were your father, that would be the best you could get from me. And even then you would have to present a real need for the laptop.
Yes, MacBook Pro is nice. Very nice. But you do not need it for FCP. Get a MacBook, and save quite a bit of cash. Yours AND your parents. "But I wanna get a MBP!" isn't really valid argument, especially if you are using other peoples money to buy it.
And if FCP is your need, you should really look at an iMac instead.
Yes, MacBook Pro is nice. Very nice. But you do not need it for FCP. Get a MacBook, and save quite a bit of cash. Yours AND your parents. "But I wanna get a MBP!" isn't really valid argument, especially if you are using other peoples money to buy it.
And if FCP is your need, you should really look at an iMac instead.
All of which you can do a cheaper MacBook. With the bumped up MacBook specs, the only difference is the video card which FCE won't need as much as say FCP which would be impossible to run on a MacBook.
Erm... and you're basing this advice on what exactly?
FCE is essentially the same app as FCP with certain features removed. In any case, it's CPU intensive rather than GPU intensive.
Here's some becnhmarks comparing Final Cut Studio on a MB, MBP and PM G5:
http://creativemac.digitalmedianet.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=43717
The MB is not too shabby.... as plenty of user reports point out. The faster bus on the new MBPs would make a positive difference though.
If you were using Motion (part of Final Cut Studio) heavily, then you would be better off getting a machine with a video card. But given what the OP has said, that's not really the case here.
Impress them mightily with your maturity, perspective, introspection, and understanding; realize that it is an unmitigated luxury, save your pennies and buy it yourself. Your parents may then be so thoroughly enthralled with your actions they could not help but to see the Macintosh in a different light.
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I think you misunderstood. Yes I do have a job and I have presented a valid point. However my reasoning for getting FCE would be to try it out and upgrade possibly this winter. You may say "why don't you just get FCP?". Well I want to get the ropes of FCE and pluse I want a MBP because I run Windows applications on it too that are intensive with the GPU. Battlefield 2, Civilization 4, Age of Empires 3, ect. So I need the discrete GPU. And I am not using other peoples money to buy it, I am compormising with my parents. If I wanted to I could full well pay for the system, however my parents said they would pay for part of it ($500 or so).
I really hope if you do have children you don't have this type of self centered know it all tone.
Really, offer to pay for some of it. It gives you a sense of ownership, and it softens the blow of the price. Don't forget to beg, and take them to the Apple Store to show them how nice the MBP is. Tell them it will last you a long time, which it will, and help them out whenever you can. GET ON THEIR GOOD SIDE. Trust me, it worked when I asked for my MBP.
Agreed. My Dad has already said I can get the computer I was just responding to that jerk above me.
I would ask your parents what their concerns are specifically and then address each one with facts.The new SR MBPs look like beautys. The fact is right now I am trying to edit hour long videos in Pinnacle Studio
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If its the Windows compatibility, that is simply not an issue. With Bootcamp Macs can run all the Windows software. With VMware or Parallels you can run most Windows software.
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haha, you probably have about 100 gigs right there with your iPods to put music on with.
But yes on the topic of MBP I will tell them about that. Plus at Tiger Direct you can get a $90 version of XP w/ service pack 2
MBP CD Refurb (or ... depending where your sister goes to college, her college may have a computer store that sells over stock and other things. My bf (through their computer store at school) just got a brand new 2.16ghz MBP CD for 1279 (~1520 with student apple care... a very ood investment in my opinion... and only about 30 hours of work with your 8 dollar an hour at target)
Not the newest model by any means... but A LOT of computer. And INFINITELY better then the dell you are on lol. I got my computer (same as his.. but 2.0.. got it a few months ago) refurb for about 1600 including apple care (about 1350 without) Works great, and refurb products have the same warranties and everything from apple, they just come in a brown box. Woopee. And as you are trying to bargain..I think that might be a ticket for your parents...
Check with your sister for these programs too. You can get really good discounts on computer programs through schools. I got a great deal on the whole CS3 suite from my school.
Anyway... I'd say start with the computer. My refurb CD mbp runs great. I upgraded to only 1.5 ghz of ram right now and it still flies. 1350.. and then pay for apple care yourself (you can add it on within the first year... but def do it) nd the extras as you work. Even at only 20 hours a week this summer that's about 150 a week. In a month you'll have 600 to use on apple care and a program and maybe one more gig of ram.
If your parents see you went to the trouble to find the best deals on everything and that you will be paying for allll the extras as well as a good warranty (not to mention you can probably sell your dell for a few hundred in parts or as a whole on ebay.. so that will be good too! and your parents can get the money from that so research what they can sell it for and present that to them too) then they should be more apt ao agree as you are showing responsibilty and going for less then the best, but still really good.
Once you are in college and have had time to save up some money you can always upgrade to the computer of your dreams.
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Not the newest model by any means... but A LOT of computer. And INFINITELY better then the dell you are on lol. I got my computer (same as his.. but 2.0.. got it a few months ago) refurb for about 1600 including apple care (about 1350 without) Works great, and refurb products have the same warranties and everything from apple, they just come in a brown box. Woopee. And as you are trying to bargain..I think that might be a ticket for your parents...
Check with your sister for these programs too. You can get really good discounts on computer programs through schools. I got a great deal on the whole CS3 suite from my school.
Anyway... I'd say start with the computer. My refurb CD mbp runs great. I upgraded to only 1.5 ghz of ram right now and it still flies. 1350.. and then pay for apple care yourself (you can add it on within the first year... but def do it) nd the extras as you work. Even at only 20 hours a week this summer that's about 150 a week. In a month you'll have 600 to use on apple care and a program and maybe one more gig of ram.
If your parents see you went to the trouble to find the best deals on everything and that you will be paying for allll the extras as well as a good warranty (not to mention you can probably sell your dell for a few hundred in parts or as a whole on ebay.. so that will be good too! and your parents can get the money from that so research what they can sell it for and present that to them too) then they should be more apt ao agree as you are showing responsibilty and going for less then the best, but still really good.
Once you are in college and have had time to save up some money you can always upgrade to the computer of your dreams.
GL
Erm... system requirements given on Apple's website...
Final Cut Express Page:
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APP.../wo/StoreReentry.wo?productLearnMore=MA261Z/A
Final Cut Pro Page:
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APP...a/wo/StoreReentry.wo?productLearnMore=MA886Z/
Don't jump out on someone's post when you haven't done the research yourself...
(Deep breath) Firstly, although Final Cut Studio 1 or 2 has never supported MacBooks, it does run on the machines. Have a look here:
http://creativemac.digitalmedianet.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=43717
I've posted this link quite a few times in this forum...
Here's an excerpt from the conculsion:
Also, take a look at this thread https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/312514/ - Anyone Installed FCS 2 on their Macbook?
Here's the official line from Apple:
Doesn't actually say that you've got absolutely no chance of running FCP.
The reason for my previous post is a lot of people think video editing is GPU intensive activity, rather than a CPU one - which it isn't. You seemed to think it was, however, because of your comment re: graphics card, that's why I asked, rather than making a comment about getting your facts right.
FCP running on MBs has been greatly debated on MacRumors - I'm not making any claims that I've greatly added to the debate, but I have consistently said (with benchmarks and anecdotal evidence to back it up) that MBs can run FCP well - other FC Studio apps like Motion less well, but they do run, but if you were going to heavily use Motion, I wouldn't recommend buying a MB for this purpose.
Obviously, you've done a bit of research into this field yourself, so if you would like to add anything to back up your claim that "FCP which would be impossible to run on a MacBook", I'll be only too happy to hear it.
Sign your sister up as a developer. $1599 for the computer, plus $99 fee. Then buy FCE as a normal student for $149 (for some rason the student developer cost is $239...). This is your cheapest way. And FCE rocks. I use it all the time. It only is mising a few of the real high-end things that FCp has. My wife is a student majoring in television production, and she uses fce for her computer. She gets great results with it. That brings the cost to $1847. Buy a bag from Wal Mart or someplace for $30 and you're under $1900. Cheapest way to go.
http://developer.apple.com/membership/usa.html
http://developer.apple.com/membership/usa.html
Why, pray tell, is this? I use Studio and Express. Express is perfectly capable for most applications consumer and quite a bit beyond. Why do you say this?
Our nearest one is about 30 minutes away
Without traffic
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So is the one near my house. Taking my Dad there made him think about buying a Mac (he actually said he'd think about it when his current computer dies!)
The Apple Store has this magical effect on people; it puts them in a buying mood
He's definitely in the minority on that one - but not the only person to make assertions they can't back upWhy, pray tell, is this? I use Studio and Express. Express is perfectly capable for most applications consumer and quite a bit beyond. Why do you say this?