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A statement of apple means not at all that this statement corresponds correctly with REALITY.
So, to counter : is there a manufacturer, whose statements REALLY correspond correctly to REALITY?
And if there is, who are they?
IMHO these days there is so much marketing hype in everything, that your statement sounds as universal.
 
I wonder how much that apllies to aftermarket chargers? Yes, I confess I use one, a 60W Lavolta, and have done for more than 6 months while the Apple original sits in the box. Thing is, I figure Apple will have sourced the original from the lowest-quoting supplier anyway.

Who knows,? Not sure why you would use an aftermarket when you have an original charger available. Lots of Chinese chargers are very cheap, I guarantee Apple don't source from them and I can't see the logic in your last sentence but hey, its your machine. But you can't really complain if it doesn't function/last/maintain the battery etc as original...
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That person needs to check his facts before advising this. There is no harm in using a lower, or higher, wattage adapter.

Right on the money, I have always interchanged my 60W MBP and 45W MBA without any issue...it would be the highest order of risk for Apple to arrange the design otherwise...
 
So, to counter : is there a manufacturer, whose statements REALLY correspond correctly to REALITY?
And if there is, who are they?
IMHO these days there is so much marketing hype in everything, that your statement sounds as universal.

I agree in most cases - but apple is by far the worst example of all.
Neither Lenovo nor Dell nor other big Players for Notebooks do this kind of absolute ridiculous Marketing-Show as apple does.

They took the wrong way - because they take their customers for fools.

And just by the way:

NO other manufacturer arrived at the sad point that there is a BIG MARKET for exchanging the 100.000s of failing chargers. I use Laptops/Notebooks since 1992 (IBM, Toshiba, Panasonic) - and NEVER had any problem with chargers. But I own already THREE defective apple-chargers with the same problem as many other customers also: The DC-cable is broken because it is CRAP and bad designed.

Same for ALL other cables like the IOS-Cables. A Belkin-cable or Lindy-cable will last forever. The more-expensive apple-cable does NOT at all. apple is just shameless.

This goes since years - and apple prefers to sell expensive additional chargers instead of re-designing their CRAP-chargers. For every other company this would be a shame. Not so for apple. They take us for fools.
There are many other examples and proves for the fact that apple never nearly minds customers needs and wishes…

apple is world-class in the discipline of arrogance.
 
apple is world-class in the discipline of arrogance.


So don't buy Apple gear. That is your right as a consumer.

Personally I haven't had any issues with chargers other than by careless handling (chair ran over one, pet rabbit ate another). These problems are not at all universal.
 

So don't buy Apple gear. That is your right as a consumer.

Personally I haven't had any issues with chargers other than by careless handling (chair ran over one, pet rabbit ate another). These problems are not at all universal.

My right as a consumer of high-priced products is that they are reliable.
EVERY other manufacturer is able to produce reliable chargers - exept apple.

chair running over cable is not abnormal for mobile equipment chargers, is it?
And as for me, I have 3 chargers and not even one was overrun by a chair. It is always the cable near the charger or near the end that gets broken. It is not about being careless, it is just nothing but failing of extremely BAD DESIGN.
And as for the IOS-cables: Impossible to run over these cables with a chair because they are short and used on the desk.

So - your remarks seem pointless for me.
 
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chair running over cable is not abnormal for mobile equipment chargers, is it?


Its user damage.

And as for me, I have 3 chargers and not even one was overrun by a chair. It is always the cable near the charger or near the end that gets broken. It is not being careless, it is just nothing but extremely BAD DESIGN.


So how come all the ones that don't "get broken", don't? If you want indestructible cables then pay the weight penalty that every other manufacturer pays.
 
Who knows,? Not sure why you would use an aftermarket when you have an original charger available. Lots of Chinese chargers are very cheap, I guarantee Apple don't source from them and I can't see the logic in your last sentence but hey, its your machine. But you can't really complain if it doesn't function/last/maintain the battery etc as original...
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Right on the money, I have always interchanged my 60W MBP and 45W MBA without any issue...it would be the highest order of risk for Apple to arrange the design otherwise...

When I bought my MBP I was already reading about charger failures so decided to have a spare, and then I decided to keep the original pristine in the box for if I ever want to sell the computer.
 
Its user damage.



So how come all the ones that don't "get broken", don't? If you want indestructible cables then pay the weight penalty that every other manufacturer pays.


The chargers of ALL the other Manufacturers do NOT weight more than apple´s.

And IF you´really wanted to comprehend what I wrote, you´d comprehend that there is a DESIGN-PROBLEM of the weakest point of the cable. This is NOT User-damage, it is and rests forever BAD DESIGN.
You can see these weak points in a thousands of Youtube-videos and illustrated tutorials for repair of these Crappy DC-cabels of the chargers - but evidently you refuse to accept reality.

It comes with the ridiculous way they choose the cable: Instead of a simple and reliable two-core-wired cable with isolation mechanically stable as needed, they choose a sort of weak coaxial-cable with an isolation that is simply too weak and thin to serve reliably like ALL OTHER MANUFACTURERS CHARGERS IN THE WORLD DO.
That combination of two or even three bad design-decisions for the DC-part-cable lets the too weak outer (surrounding) part of the coaxial-cable disrupt more and more - even under intact (but also mechanically too weak) outer isolation.

This has just NOTHING to do with "User damage" which is really ridiculous as try to defend an simply in-fact maximal bad design.
 
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The chargers of ALL the other Manufacturers do NOT weight more than apple´s.

And IF you´really wanted to comprehend what I wrote, you´d comprehend that there is a DESIGN-PROBLEM of the weakest point of the cable. This is NOT User-damage, it is and rests forever BAD DESIGN.
You can see these weak points in a thousands of Youtube-videos and illustrated tutorials for repair of these Crappy DC-cabels of the chargers - but evidently you refuse to accept reality.

It comes with the ridiculous way they choose the cable: Instead of a simple and reliable two-core-wired cable with isolation mechanically stable as needed, they choose a sort of weak coaxial-cable with an isolation that is simply too weak and thin to serve reliably like ALL OTHER MANUFACTURERS CHARGERS IN THE WORLD DO.
That combination of two or even three bad design-decisions for the DC-part-cable lets the too weak outer (surrounding) part of the coaxial-cable disrupt more and more - even under intact (but also mechanically too weak) outer isolation.

This has just NOTHING to do with "User damage" which is really ridiculous as try to defend an simply in-fact maximal bad design.
If the design is such a bad one, why is it that my 2008 machine is still on the original charger nearly 8 years later? A charger which was lugged about daily from 2008 to 2012 while I was at school? If you take the time to wrap the wire correctly, there's no reason it should get damaged from daily use.
 
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If the design is such a bad one, why is it that my 2008 machine is still on the original charger? A charger which was lugged about daily from 2008 to 2012 while I was at school? If you take the time to wrap the wire correctly, there's no reason it should get damaged from daily use.

As you can prove on ebay, amazon and the rest of the internet, there is a vivid market for these apple DC-cable-parts (even often SOLD-OUT) whether this is NOT the case for the products of all the other manufacturers.

Tell me why this is the case? Do you really think this is the case because people like to produce useless 3rd party cables that will not sell because there is no market for them???

Do you think people loaded up hundreds of Videos on YouTube showing how to repair this crappy "designed" charger-cable (and macsafe connector) although nobody has seen this failure yet?

Come on….
 
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As you can prove on ebay, amazon and the rest of the internet, there is a vivid market for these apple DC-cable-parts (even often SOLD-OUT) whether this is NOT the case for the products of all the other manufacturers.

Tell me why this is the case? Do you really think this is the case because people like to produce useless 3rd party cables that will not sell because there is no market for them???

Do you think people loaded up hundreds of Videos on YouTube showing how to repair this crappy "designed" charger-cable (and macsafe connector) although nobody has seen this failure yet?

Come on….
A cable doesn't fail or fray by itself when handled properly. There's a market for car brake pads, and youtube videos showing how to replace worn out ones, does that mean that all brake pads are bad? No, it does not.

You're entitled to your opinion, and I respect it, but I don't agree one should blame the design when poor user handling is the cause of the problem.
 
I have been using Apple products since 2010. I haven't ruined any MacBook chargers but I have had a Lightning cable wear out. It was too short for where I had it and it was always getting bent/pulled on. No big deal.
 
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This thread is off the rails, and has nothing to do with maintaining one's battery - closing.
 
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