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Wish there was a way to toggle on always use desktop.
I dislike viewing Macrumors as mobile, desktop version much better for my use.
 
I gave Apple feedback a while back. It would be great if when in desktop mode, holding reload offered the ability to return to mobile view.
 
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This almost never works. Not because there's anything wrong with Safari, but because website creators are too stupid to use the correct signals to choose between desktop and mobile layout. They mostly just look at the viewport size and say 'eh, **** it.' I wish 'request desktop view' would alter that to look like a desktop.
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But why though? There's reason people design website as mobile first. There's this thing called progressive web apps.

All of these are to target mobile users. Why do you want to view website that is for desktop on mobile?

I would agree with you when the mobile site is done properly. But too often it's done by a moron chimpanzee and is either outright broken or lacks all of the functionality of the desktop site. And 99 times out of 100 those are the sites where "request desktop view" doesn't work.
 
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The current trend is for responsive web design to scale based on the viewport size rather than the device

If everybody followed the "current trend", that might be a useful observation. But there are zillions of websites that are locked into what the "current trend" was years ago -- and will never ever be updated. Flash has been obsolete tech for years -- it never ever ran on iOS -- but there are still gobs of websites that use Flash to run.

I could see this feature being removed in the not too distant future, and the timing of the article struck me as somewhat random.

Doubtful.

When exactly do you think that 99.99% of webpages will have the "responsive web design" feature you note above? Flash is still being used on about 5% of websites today (per a metric earlier this year) -- even though there has been no legitimate reason to use it for years!

When exactly do you think it would be reasonable to remove? Why?

Your original comment made little sense; this clarification also makes little sense.
 
However, this does not work for me with Google's services. They force mobile on my iPad. Ridiculous! And the apps they want me to use instead also miss functionality that is present on the desktop site. Google just hates iOS i guess?
 
That’s why it’s useful to post about it today... A lot of people don’t know it exists. :)

But I thought only "power users" need to know / deserve to know about functions that have been hidden behind things like long-pressing a button or holding Option key while clicking on a menu.
 
But I thought only "power users" need to know / deserve to know about functions that have been hidden behind things like long-pressing a button or holding Option key while clicking on a menu.
Even with that then at least some of the "power users" still need to find out about something like that from somewhere.
 
The problem I found is that some websites still don’t provide the desktop version when requested.


Same here. I hate it. I’ve had to download a browser that fools the sites into thinking I’m on a desktop. I really hate sites that force you to use their stupid mobile version.
 
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I have better success using Firefox and other browsers requesting desktop versions. Most of the time safari just refreshes and it's identical. There needs to be more control over the browser user agent.
 
I had know idea that you could ‘long press’ on the refresh button to request the desk-too site. I was always one that would scroll down to the bottom of the site, and look for ‘View Full site’ to click on.

Although, my preference is usually using the mobile site on my iPad or iPhone to be more streamlined and condensed.
Ditto. Very helpful posts.
 
If the only thing this setting does is change the user agent the it's pretty much worthless these days. Most websites don't care about the user agent, but the rendered screen size. The only way to make this work is to set both the user agent to os x and the rendered width to something higher than 1200px.
 
Desktop sites look horrible on mobile phones. On tablet, they are somewhat acceptable.

On a high PPI LCD screen like on the Plus series of phones full web sites are often beautiful.

I agree they look pretty bad on a low quality screen like the iPhone XR.
 
On a high PPI LCD screen like on the Plus series of phones full web sites are often beautiful.

I agree they look pretty bad on a low quality screen like the iPhone XR.
Somehow that's not really what makes that much of a difference for vast majority.
 
I remember when the iPhone got announced and was first released. It was touted as a mobile device that can surf the real web, not the baby web. Well, web developers, product managers, etc thought they were doing us a favor, and we are back to the baby web.
 
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The real solution is just to use the iCab Mobile browser.

It's the best browser on ANY platform. I wish it could be ported to OS X. I'd love it on my MacBook.

It desperately needs to be updated for iOS 12 though. iOS 12 made it crashy.
 
iOS devices don't support Flash, so using it as an example kind of proves my point.

Nope. It shows the opposite. Flash is still being used on about 5% of websites today -- even though such webpages are completely useless on essentially all mobile devices.

You told us
I could see this feature being removed in the not too distant future

You failed to answer my question: how long do you think until 99.99% of websites follow your claimed "current trend" for responsive web design? As long as a significant number of websites lack that functionality, this Safari function will be awfully useful. The huge number of sites that still have Flash underscores how slowly some websites change.

Please answer my question: how long until 99% of websites have a responsive design?
 
Nope. It shows the opposite. Flash is still being used on about 5% of websites today -- even though such webpages are completely useless on essentially all mobile devices.

You told us

You failed to answer my question: how long do you think until 99.99% of websites follow your claimed "current trend" for responsive web design? As long as a significant number of websites lack that functionality, this Safari function will be awfully useful. The huge number of sites that still have Flash underscores how slowly some websites change.

Please answer my question: how long until 99% of websites have a responsive design?
You keep proving my point and making anyone who agrees with you cringe.
 
I remember when the iPhone got announced and was first released. It was touted as a mobile device that can surf the real web, not the baby web. Well, web developers, product managers, etc thought they were doing us a favor, and we are back to the baby web.
The "baby" web of those days is not even comparable to anything these days.
 
I had know idea that you could ‘long press’ on the refresh button to request the desk-too site. I was always one that would scroll down to the bottom of the site, and look for ‘View Full site’ to click on.

I’ve known about it for a while but just last night was telling my wife about it. Although I’m sure I’ve told her before. Anyway, occasionally I find other things that you can long press. For instance if you have the flashlight in your control center you can long press to get different flashlight levels.
 
The problem I found is that some websites still don’t provide the desktop version when requested.
That means you run across a 'responsive website'.

The easiest way to tell whether a website is responsive is to resize the browser window on a desktop. If the content changes, then it's a responsive website.

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When a website is responsive, even if you 'request desktop version', the phone still can't show the desktop version because the layout of the website is determined by the screen resolution.

(original image link: https://searchengineland.com/figz/wp-content/seloads/2018/04/responsive-design.gif)

The 'request desktop version' only works on websites that actually provide 2 versions (one desktop, one mobile).
 

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