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15" Powerbook loaded (I refuse to wait)
17" Cinema Display
iSight
30 GB iPod

A little more than $3000 but whatever, deal with it.
 
lemme see...that's easy...

another 23" CinemaHD
a DVI-ADC Adapter
and FinalCutPro 4

ok...so I'd have to come up with $400 (plus watever the tax is) outta my own pocket...but if someone's gonna give me $3000 to spend...at the Apple Store...
 
If you say you're going to school then you should be able to get the education version of Final Cut Pro which is no different from the commercial version except the price. Bought my FCP3 for 300.00 at my University bookstore. Should give you another 700 to play around with. Rock on.

Dual 1Ghz MDD, 2GB Ram, 240GB HD, Superdrive/Combodrive, Nvidia Geforce 4Ti, Apple 17" LCD, Klipsch 4.2+2SWS.
 
At the Apple Education store online, FCP4 is only $500... So now you can get your G5 dual 2's and a decent CRT.

I think you'll be happiest spending the bulk of your money on horsepower, and treating yourself to a sexy monitor sometime down the road.
 
Originally posted by Flowbee
At the Apple Education store online, FCP4 is only $500... So now you can get your G5 dual 2's and a decent CRT.

I think you'll be happiest spending the bulk of your money on horsepower, and treating yourself to a sexy monitor sometime down the road.

I'm not going to school; I already graduated from college. Not quite sure where everyone is getting that I'm a student somewhere...

Anyways, I think computer horsepower, RAM, and storage are more important than a drool-worthy LCD. So I'll probably go for a 1.6 or 1.8, depending on what monitor deals I find, and max out the specs as much as possible. Thanks all for the ideas and suggestions!;)
 
Originally posted by jrv3034
I'm not going to school; I already graduated from college. Not quite sure where everyone is getting that I'm a student somewhere...

The second sentence of your original post sez: "I've used both Windows and Mac at school..." and then went on to tell what you did this summer.

Sounded to me like you were still in school.
 
Originally posted by Flowbee
At the Apple Education store online, FCP4 is only $500... So now you can get your G5 dual 2's and a decent CRT.

I think you'll be happiest spending the bulk of your money on horsepower, and treating yourself to a sexy monitor sometime down the road.

I may have to think about getting the FCP4 in January (seeing that I'm planning on a few "Refresher" courses slightly outside my field)...but I don't think I've got enough horsepower right now...maybe when everyone jumps on the 64bit bandwagon and optimises for it (and they ditch that Industrial-Strength-Ugly Case for something a little more aesthetically pleasing...personally I think the MDD case is the best looking they've ever attached an Apple to the side of)...I like my G4...

PowerMac Dual 1.25Gz
2GB CorsairXMS CAS2 PC2700 DDR SDRAM
nVidia GeForce4 Ti
4 Seagate ST380021A (80GB 2MB Cache with Sound Deadening Insulation)
Pioneer DVR-105BK (SuperDrive)
Philips CDD5301 (Combo Drive)
Apple Cinema 23" HD Display
Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 THX Certified

I have the power...I just want another "sexy monitor" to match the one already on my desk (and a new A/C for my office...it gets a little warm in here...LOL...) :)
 
Originally posted by jrv3034
Yeah, mymemory, I'm leaning more in your direction... I'm mostly going to be doing straight cuts and simple dissolves, so a G5 is possibly even overkill for me. I do have to get Final Cut Pro 4 because it's the only one that will support 24fps footage. I'm interested in getting a dual 1.42 G4, but I'm afraid of eBay scams. Is there anywhere else where one can find dual 1.42's anymore?

you could go for a new Dual 1.25...with the 2MB L3 it's not too much slower than the Dual 1.42...not to mention with a CompUSSR discount (I'd assume they give their employees one)...should be able to walk out much cheaper
 
Hey, John Q Public, nice middle name!

Forget $3000 at the Apple Store. I just saw a TV ad for Best Buy, saying they were giving away a $25,000 shopping spree. Now that's a good question for us all to ponder: If they gave you 30 minutes to spend $25,000 in a Best Buy, what would you buy? Or would you head back to the Apple Store?
 
Originally posted by Doctor Q
Hey, John Q Public, nice middle name!

Forget $3000 at the Apple Store. I just saw a TV ad for Best Buy, saying they were giving away a $25,000 shopping spree. Now that's a good question for us all to ponder: If they gave you 30 minutes to spend $25,000 in a Best Buy, what would you buy? Or would you head back to the Apple Store?

if you can wat until around Christmas to use that $25 000 shopping spree at BestBuy, I could buy Apple toyz there too...NC is test marketing Apple Kiosks in BestBuy stores...and it's expected to go national sometime in December...it'd be nice for someone to give CompUSSR a little competition for Apple sales...
 
With three thousand at an Apple Store, I'd sell my old iBook, buy a 900 MHz iBook, a spare battery, upgrade the RAM, buy a 30 GB iPod, a nice still digital camera (think EOS-1D) and memory cards, and pocket the difference (what little there would be).

With twenty-five grand at BestBuy, I'd do all of the above, but then also buy the best home theater money can buy. Projector instead of a television, some quality German speakers... oh yeah, it'd be awesome.
 
you cant go wrong with either

Originally posted by Daveman Deluxe
I personally would choose a 1.6 with LCD, but I'm not a graphics professional or trying to edit a feature-length movie. I've seen documentaries of Industrial Light and Magic where both LCDs and CRTs are used. the 1.8 is more "future-proof" though.

I mainly recommend the LCD because the image really IS that much sharper, and it's guaranteed to be flicker-free.

You might consider the 1.42 dual G4, but I don't recommend it because you will run into severe bottlenecks when editing video--the front-side bus and RAM just can't keep up.

dont believe the hype. both crts and lcds have improved dramatically in the last 5 years, the differences are not that big anymore between them, although both are still stronger in certain aspects. most manufactors including sony (artisen) and lacie (electron blue) that sell both still give a major edge to crt's in color accuracy and motion video/games fields, but its getting real close.
one reason is the lack of a native res making all res clear, better viewing angles and more even color edge to edge and faster reponse time, lcds now have lower dot pitch then before, are faster for video and motion then before 25ms or less, have less dead and alway on pixels and some now have 3 year warranties, on the crt front some have digital inputs, superbrite tubes, flat screens, higher refresh with no dicernable flicker.
lcds on the other hand take up less space, are usually clearer, brighter have a more rock solid stable picture then at least older gen crt's, although that gap in rock solid picture and brightness is fading with the newer gen of crt's. lcds use less energy and are easier on the eyes when viewing for long periods. you dont see the two horizontal trinitron lines on the tube, but you do see the pixels, that's make it a draw.
for price performance and warranty the crts are the one to get. and refurb ones like the lacie 19" gen 4 at $199 are hard to pass up even as a second monitor.
you cant really go wrong with either lcd or crt though
. 21" fd crts start at as lttle as $399 to about $2000 for sonys' complete color system the artisen, and the 24" 2340x1440 wide screen.
i have had an excellent 21" trinitron for the last 3 years at $270 refurb and its still bright and sharp, i use supercal to calibrate it. i am planing on upgrading with a second monitor next year either a next gen crt, or next gen Lcd with color calibrator. i figure lcds will be cheaper and better by then and the same with lcds, i just wish that someone would introduce a dlp computer monitor, its so confusing because of all the options



http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?id=10037
http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INT...tID=wi0KC0.N1o8AAAD3xaZ8fCjr&ContentItemPage=

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INT...n&ProductID=7fkKC0.NkGgAAAD3dnF8fCjs&Dept=cpu
 
Re: Re: cash

Originally posted by jrv3034
Um, what?:confused:
i would ask for 3000 cash instead of merchandise. maybe i would go back next year for a dual 3
if i had to buy now i would get a lacie 22 gen4 monitor 799 superb quality and color
ipod 10 299 all i need
isight 149 yes
final cut exp 99 all i need
digital cam 199 yes
digital camcor 399 yes yes
dual 1.4 g4 1599 all i need
total $3543 which i can afford-3000=3513 all i can afford
a lcds are dropping in price almost half every 2 years so i would get a lacie 22 gen 4 crt side by side to the 23" cinema it hol;ds its own and has better resolutions and color and no dead pixels although it does have two horizontal lines in the screen but with lcds you can see the pixels so that equals out
 
Originally posted by jrv3034
Would you really suggest getting RAM direct from Apple? It seems pretty expensive, compared to something like Crucial.com or other stores... Is the Apple RAM better somehow? Also, would it be better to get the 160GB drive and add another (cheaper) drive later, instead of getting the 250GB?

No No No No No

Apple puts those crazy prices on RAM because some consumers are crazy enough to buy them, but the smart ones go to another place and buy RAM. The RAM is exactly the same, ones not any better than the other.

About the drive, it depends, if you are planning on using more than 125 gigs of space right now, than just get the 250, that 125 you expected to use is actually more like 180 (I know from personal experiance lol). Other wise just get a new drive later if you plan on using less than 100 GB
 
Originally posted by jrv3034
Yso a G5 is possibly even overkill for me. Is there anywhere else where one can find dual 1.42's anymore?

A 1.6 GHZ G5 is going to be way faster than the dual 1.42s due to the memory bandwidth. I thought my G4 733MHZ computer was overkill when I bought it, the best game I wanted to play was Quake... Now I can't even play warcraft 3 at the quality I want, and Photoshop is soooo slow
 
Originally posted by Vlade
Apple puts those crazy prices on RAM because some consumers are crazy enough to buy them, but the smart ones go to another place and buy RAM. The RAM is exactly the same, ones not any better than the other.
I agree that buying after-market RAM is a great way to save money, but I'm not sure that RAM is as homogenous as you suggest.

It's my understanding that OS X is more sensitive to RAM flaws and that poor quality RAM can lead to lots of kernel panics. There have been a number of posts on other threads where people have cured their kernel panic problem by taking out new generic RAM that they had added.

Buying generic RAM can work and save you money over name-brand after-market RAM (EDGE, Crucial, Viking, etc.) but you run the risk of having to go back to the vendor with the bad news that the money that they saved on production controls and testing led to you getting a bad stick.

If that trouble is worth the $20-50 difference, then by all means go generic! Lots do and "live to tell the tale". If you're not one to deal with hassle gladly, go after-market, but go brand-name.

JMHO.
 
I would have to agree, you should definately consider going LCD. particuarly if you want to use your mac for digital graphics and such. Im not a professional artist, but its a hobby and wow.. mac LCDs are beautiful and very telling of details that you would never even see on a CRT monitor. I had to keep my budget under 2400 or so and really wanted an ipod so i ended up getting an iMac mostly for the beautiful 17 inch display. But hey, that was my choice. I dont regret it one bit. But if i had 3000 and was willing to wait for the ipod i would have grab 1.6 and 17 or 20 inch cienema
 
Re: you cant go wrong with either

Originally posted by daveg5
dont believe the hype. both crts and lcds have improved dramatically in the last 5 years, the differences are not that big anymore between them

There is one HUGE difference between LCD and CRT...production of heat...

I'll concede CRT image quality is approaching that of LCD Panels...and LCD's are nearly as competent with motion as a CRT...

My 23" CinemaHD is a beautiful example of that...vertical refresh of 75 (considering the average human eye only registers 60fps...and on a monitor it can still be seen as flickering)...but the reasons I plopped down the big cash:

Far Less Real-Estate...only takes up 24"x8" (little wide...but I can live with that)...unlike a monitor that (at bare minimum as deep as it has viewable screen) takes up far more space (even worse that I'm accustomed to a wide workspace provided by 2 monitors...that is more than liveable with my Cinema)

Fewer Wires...taking advantage of ADC lets me have only one wire for Power/Display/USB Hub...and likewise fewer wires to my G4's case...makes a much neater desktop than when I had my G3 (or god forbid my PC)...one from the wall to UPS...2 from the UPS to Case (one power, one USB)...from the case one USB (to the "Lower Hub" that supplies Printer, Scanner and MIDI adapter)...the ADC (with it's 2 port Hub one for KB (Mouse is off of KB) one for Floppy)...and lastly 1/8" stereo-minijack for my speakers...makes for a cleaner desk...

then we have the heat issue if you run a big monitor 19"-24" CRT...then you know about heat...if you run more than one...and a G4 (G5's are also likely excelent heat producers)...you're likely to get run out of the room quickly...

my G4 still produces ample heat to let me NOT use the heater in the winter (seeing that I live in Florida...leave the windows open whenever the machine is on in the winter)...but with an LCD...the heat isn't anywhere near as bad than when I ran CRT's...

if you can afford to do it...get the "Flat Panel"...you can get an NEC/Mitsubishi 18.1" (Native 1280x1024) usually under $500 (and lower quality LCD's close to the price of CRT's)...but it's all a personal preference thing...I bought mine...and yes...I know there aren't too many people with the disposable income to buy a $2000 LCD Panel (...I've heard a few comments about more money than brains from a few friends who are jealous of the new toys I bought when my G3 died...what can I say...I was in mourning...for about 4 1/2 hours...LOL...)
 
Re: Re: you cant go wrong with either

Originally posted by John Q Public
There is one HUGE difference between LCD and CRT...production of heat...

I'll concede CRT image quality is approaching that of LCD Panels..

I think you had those switched around, right?
 
How much do yuo want for the kidney? :)


For the macs, I'd go pretty far with what they've suggested. 1,6 ghz, boosted ram, bigger hard drive, superdrve. and final cut express, and a niiice monitor. :p
 
g5 is surely better

i do a lot of videoediting and here are my suggestions:

first i have a dual g4 1ghz with 1 gb ram and i would say that final cut pro 3 runs really nice on it. the problem is that for specific and more complex tasks fcp can really slow down.

if you have to work fast with less waiting for renderings i would suggest final cut pro 4. then i would add a g5 1.8ghz because the bandwidth for the memory is far superior to the g4 and it is already faster than a 1.6 but not much more expensive.

memory is infact the most important thing in video editing (beside the hd...i will treat that later) because final cut renders faster if there is more ram. but i would suggest to buy the ram somewhere else. i would say that 1gb are absolutely necessary and 2gb would be nice. if you have less ram fcp will begin to swap files to the harddisk and this is mush slower.

the harddisk should be a 250gb because you will fill it up very fast. example: 60 minute footage are about 15gb plus sound in aiff makes 500mb plus other scenes and material (from after effects or cubase etc) for about 500mb plus all the renderings and final movie make about 20gb per project.

for video editing you should always have an empty an newly initalized harddisk so that the footage won't fragment and cause async problems etc. so you should reformat after every project but this is nearly impossible so i would say make 80gb for macosx and 170gb for video. like this you can have about 10 projects on the disk before you have to buy a new one. serial ata is nice but it won't make a big difference to a normal ata harddisk while saving your final films. you can never have a big enough harddisk if you are video editing.

the screen is also a very important element. we used the sony gdm-f520 21" crt last year and it was very good. this year we still have crt's as main screen and lcd as pallette screen. we talked about lcd and crt and our teacher said that the new lcds with 25ms response do very well for video editing. the only problem is the color as it is not 100% real color representative. but they come really near the crt's and a lot of little studios can't afford $15'000 to color calibrate all their peripherals so you can suggest that their calibrations are hand made and won't be 100% reliable. so you can maybe try a lcd because color difference compared to a crt is not as dramatic as it was 2 years ago.
an apple display has pure digital connections and one one cable to connect everything. besides that i would really suggest a lcd monitor with dvi port.

another problem is the resolution but for me are enough because i hate it when everything is so smal and i have to approach to the screen (unhelthy) insted to lower the resolution.

as it seems that you are not a 100% professional a lcd would be enough and a g5 1.8ghz also. dvd is surely also a really important feature if you want to go in dvd authoring later. of course it would be sad to have such a good camera and then have a system that can make use of it as it should. if you would be less interested in professional thing you would have bought a cheaper camera so now it isn't time to economize on the wrong side.

other peripherals like special keyboard or wheel are for later. first you have to try it like this and if you have some knowledge you should test the controlling options and you will realize if you need them or not.

so here is my system put together with educational prices because you will maybe find a friend that is still in college and can buy you the system:

Power Mac G5 1.8GHz - $2,356.00
  • 1.8GHz PowerPC G5
  • 250GB Serial ATA - 7200rpm
  • SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW)
  • 512MB DDR400 SDRAM (PC3200) - 2x256MB
  • Mac OS X - U.S. English
  • Accessory kit
  • ATI Radeon 9600 Pro
  • Apple Keyboard & Apple Mouse - U.S. English
  • 56k V.92 internal modem

Apple Cinema Display (20" flat panel) - $1,169.00

Final Cut Pro 4.0 Academic - $499.00

Total = $4,024.00

or

Power Mac G5 1.8GHz - $2,356.00
  • 1.8GHz PowerPC G5
  • 250GB Serial ATA - 7200rpm
  • SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW)
  • 512MB DDR400 SDRAM (PC3200) - 2x256MB
  • Mac OS X - U.S. English
  • Accessory kit
  • ATI Radeon 9600 Pro
  • Apple Keyboard & Apple Mouse - U.S. English
  • 56k V.92 internal modem

Sony Deluxepro Series 17" Flat Panel LCD SDM-X72 - $559.00

Final Cut Pro 4.0 Academic - $499.00

Total = $3454.00

the problem is that there is still 1gb ram for about $150 that you have to buy.
 
definately get the crt over the lcd, because of better overall color, but mainly cause you can scale to the exact resolution of the project and it will be seen at in perfect clarity with much better response then even the best lcds.
the native resolution is an lcds biggest fault, then color purity then dead or always on pixels. they are almost as good but they are not and you still pay a major penalty to use them i say get a lacie 19-22" from $199-$799
90% i believe of households still view tv on a crt. now if you are publishing on the web or 720p hdtv the true scaling of crts make up for their size and slightly more eyestrain although they have improved just like lcds in the last couple of years
 
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