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HP Announces WebOS-Based TouchPad Tablet, Pre 3 and Veer Smartphones

Evgenyy said:
This has been implemented on webOS a long time ago, hence why mention an existing feature again?
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Because the market share for webos was never very significant. To the extent that HP wants to attract new eyeballs to it's tablet, most will be totally unfamiliar with prior versions of webos, and, in the event one would have some familiarity with webos from the palm days, it would be nice to know if the tablet version implements it in the same way or was retooled in some way to take advantage of the larger screen.

Any manufacturer introducing an entirely new product shouldn't make assumptions about what a potential customer knows.
 
VanNess said:
Because the market share for webos was never very significant. To the extent that HP wants to attract new eyeballs to it's tablet, most will be totally unfamiliar with prior versions of webos, and, in the event one would have some familiarity with webos from the palm days, it would be nice to know if the tablet version implements it in the same way or was retooled in some way to take advantage of the larger screen.

Any manufacturer introducing an entirely new product shouldn't make assumptions about what a potential customer knows.
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Cut, Copy and Paste are remedial uninteresting tasks. Why mention the most boring of your features, even if they are implemented better than Apple's, Google's, and Microsoft's implementations. --Especially when they showed off far more interesting features. If you want to learn about the features they didn't mention check out Palm.com.

And your argument holds no water. Apple doesn't show off cut, copy, and paste at every keynote since its implementation.
 
I do like the interaction between the phone and the tablet, but I don't like the phone enough to ever have one to actually use this feature. However, if HP can backdoor people into liking webOS via their tablet, it certainly could work in selling phones, too. However, the thing is simply too small for me to ever consider it. And then they're making an even smaller one. Wow. No thanks. Don't want small and teeny-tiny keypads -- I want a nice thin candy bar with a big, hi-resolution screen (see sig).

The wireless charging (what was it, the Touch Stone?) is great and I hope Apple can get this going and right soon.

There's a lot about the TouchPad that seems pretty interesting, but I keep going back to how many things are blatantly ripped off: the overall hardware design, the mail program, ect... even the keynote address seemed like a xeroxed. But, hey, isn't is always the way? Apple shows people how it's done and the copying begins. It seems though that the build quality in all of these tablets is not on par with iPad. We don't know pricing or release. "Summer" is pretty vague and most likely will slip into the holiday. By then, Apple will have iPad 2 out and possibly, if Fireball.net's John Gruber is to be believed, a 3rd device that is the Pro model with the hi-resolution screen. What then? I'm afraid that the people who are trying to get their product out the door are simply trying to copy Apple and not trying to outdo Apple. They're not "skating to the where the puck is going to be".

The TouchPad is obviously is going to sell because it's good and there are some Palm fans still out there, but Apple has had a lot of time to really get a hugh lead with building the eco-system. Could Apple's iOS be slicker. Yes... the geeks here would love a little more flash, but I think Apple feels that just picking up a device and know immediately what to do is more important -- they want the non-tech person to want this and know that it's not going to just collect dust.

It's all going to be interesting. Competition drives innovation and that means better, cooler, cheaper -- I'm all for that. That being said. Even without competition (talking music players here), Apple has never been the type to simply rest on their laurels. Most companies would and I tip my hat to Jobs & Co. for always trying to out-do themselves, if no one else.
 
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This uses Palm OS right? Does it need a stylus?

Seriously though I think this will offer good competition. For the Borders Nook.
 
Winni said:
You're absolutely right. Stereo speakers in a mobile device are silly. That's why every notebook has them, even the ones from Apple. The ooor sounding mono speaker in the iPad was a real innovation. Soon, the rest of the world will give up on surround and even stereo sound and will copy Apple's example once again.

Herr, laß Hirn vom Himmel fallen...
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There is stereo and then there is stereo. If you are relying on stereo speakers from out of a laptop or portable device like an iphone then you are not really getting a quality stereo sound*. You're better off with headphones or plug into a better system. Or you can stream using airplay.

*Yes I get it - two independent channels. But if the speakers are crap then its not any better than mono anyway.
 
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ten-oak-druid said:
This uses Palm OS right? Does it need a stylus?

Seriously though I think this will offer good competition. For the Borders Nook.
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Have you ever used WebOS, or is this just blatant fanboyism?

ten-oak-druid said:
There is stereo and then there is stereo. If you are relying on stereo speakers from out of a laptop or portable device like an iphone then you are not really getting a quality stereo sound*. You're better off with headphones or plug into a better system. Or you can stream using airplay.

*Yes I get it - two independent channels. But if the speakers are crap then its not any better than mono anyway.
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Next time edit your previous post instead of making two consecutive posts.

I find it pretty ridiculous that you're suggesting having stereo speakers is somehow a negative. Sure, it might not be entirely necessary, but I'm sure the next iPad will have it and you'll probably think highly of it when Apple announces this feature. And the TouchPad's speakers are supposedly not crap. They're endorsed by Beats by Dr. Dre, which may be over priced they are definitely not crap quality. I doubt the Dre would put his branding on anything with crappy sound.
 
NT1440 said:
Just learned that TouchPad isn't going to be out until summer. :mad:

Tech companies: APPLE ***** on you guys because they release things in a timely matter after announcement, how the **** have you not learned this yet??



Dumbasses. :rolleyes:
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whats the US summer? ~four months away?

January 9, 2007

vs

June 29, 2007

hmmm sure its FCC fun, but timely is timely
 
Appreciate it for what it is, and give credit where its due

I wish fanboys would shut up. If the iPad didn't exist, HP and Palm would be the ones innovating here. If Apple presented you with the same functionality we saw today in HP's event, fanboys would be chanting revolution.

Give credit to HP and Palm for Synergy, true multitasking, and a functional if not superior notification system. These are things that Apple can learn a thing or two from, and these are things that HP and Palm are driving innovation in.

So what if the keynote style presentation looked familiar? So what if the way email was presented looked like that of an iPad? How much better can you make an app before it becomes overdone? If people like how email is done on the iPad, then by all means do it on other platforms as well. A smart company would not jeopardise functionality for the pure sake of being different.

Apple may once use to lay claim to the title of "It just works", but in today's HP event, it really shows how much effort has been put in by HP and Palm in ensuring that both the TouchPad, Pre3 and Veer are meant to complement each other. They should now lay claim to the title "It just works together". Synergy and Touch-To-Share just shows how well integration can be achieved amongst services and devices across the board, and apple has yet to shine itself in this area.

Give credit where its due, I think HP and Palm make a great combo and are moving in the right direction. Copying is the sincerest form of flattery, but if something is done well enough, why not take what is good and make your product better. At the end of the day, it still is the consumer that benefits from healthy competition. Its the main drive of innovation today.
 
TuffLuffJimmy said:
Have you ever used WebOS, or is this just blatant fanboyism?



Next time edit your previous post instead of making two consecutive posts.

I find it pretty ridiculous that you're suggesting having stereo speakers is somehow a negative. Sure, it might not be entirely necessary, but I'm sure the next iPad will have it and you'll probably think highly of it when Apple announces this feature. And the TouchPad's speakers are supposedly not crap. They're endorsed by Beats by Dr. Dre, which may be over priced they are definitely not crap quality. I doubt the Dre would put his branding on anything with crappy sound.
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LMAO

Sure put that little pad in front of you with the little speakers and get that "rich stereo sound". I'll opt for quality headphones or a proper amplifier.
 
ten-oak-druid said:
LMAO

Sure put that little pad in front of you with the little speakers and get that "rich stereo sound". I'll opt for quality headphones or a proper amplifier.
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I'm not sure what your first language is, but in English we only use quotation marks when quoting something. I simply said that the "speakers are supposedly not crap". I don't see how that is in any way equivalent to "rich stereo sound," your words not mine. Nowhere did I suggest you shouldn't use better speakers nor headphones with the TouchPad.

To clarify:

I was only suggesting that the speakers are likely better than the current iPad's, which are pretty awful. You presented an obvious benefit as detrimental to the TouchPad, that kind of obfuscation screams of irrational company loyalty (fanboyism).
How about we try and stay mature in this conversation, okay? "LMAO"
 
TuffLuffJimmy said:
I'm not sure what your first language is, but in English we only use quotation marks when quoting something. I simply said that the "speakers are supposedly not crap". I don't see how that is in any way equivalent to "rich stereo sound," your words not mine. Nowhere did I suggest you shouldn't use better speakers nor headphones with the TouchPad.

To clarify:

I was only suggesting that the speakers are likely better than the current iPad's, which are pretty awful. You presented an obvious benefit as detrimental to the TouchPad, that kind of obfuscation screams of irrational company loyalty (fanboyism).
How about we try and stay mature in this conversation, okay? "LMAO"
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Right. Nice try but you'll have to do better than some erroneous grammatical rule you just concocted if your goal is to get me all riled up.

By the way you are projecting when you hurl your "fanboy" remark. But since that is all you've got, its decided. I win.
 
CQd44 said:
My girlfriend wants the veer because it's tiny. Maybe it doesn't appeal to a lot of you because you're mostly guys.
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Tiny is more fashionable. And fashionable is a lot more important than GHz and GB to a lot of people... people with money as well as women without.
 
TuffLuffJimmy said:
Win what exactly?


Obviously there's no talking to someone like you.
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First you resort to fanboy. Then you make up grammatical rules. You just can't argue the issue. Sorry. You lose.


LethalWolfe said:
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That's a little harsh. Just because someone frequents a tech forum and is posting in a thread about WebOS doesn't mean they should actually know that WebOS exists.
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WebOS: It all started with WebTV. That's what this is. A merging of of web TV and a Palm stylus! Brilliant!
 
scottsjack said:
Sweet Jesus, I can hardly read the MacRumors forums any more. Other than the Mac Pro forum (Mac Pro apparently equalling "adult") there is thread after thread after thread of fanboys who must base much of their personal feelings of self worth on the fact that they own some kind of Apple device.

I doesn't seem to matter what the topic is, if Steve didn't invent it or doesn't like it then it must be bad, substandard or outdated.
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These "fanboys" are what carried Apple through the dark ages. Don't you know how Apple got so popular? Educate yourself: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xaffgd_macheads-macheads_shortfilms
 
lPHONE said:
These "fanboys" are what carried Apple through the dark ages. Don't you know how Apple got so popular? Educate yourself: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xaffgd_macheads-macheads_shortfilms
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yes those fanboys who carried apple during the dark ages have pretty much been slapped around these days. Those were the people who bought Mac Pros did art work and now days that is the group Apple has let lag.

FCS went from being industry leading to this thing that is not much used anymore and so on.
I feel sorry for those true fan boys. They are what carried apple during the dark times and now they are getting nothing in return for it.
 
ten-oak-druid said:
First you resort to fanboy. Then you make up grammatical rules. You just can't argue the issue. Sorry. You lose.
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Again, what exactly have I lost?
WebOS: It all started with WebTV. That's what this is. A merging of of web TV and a Palm stylus! Brilliant!
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Interesting. What aspects of web tv went into WebOS? None of these new HP products use styluses. What exactly do you mean by that?
 
Rodimus Prime said:
yes those fanboys who carried apple during the dark ages have pretty much been slapped around these days. Those were the people who bought Mac Pros did art work and now days that is the group Apple has let lag.

FCS went from being industry leading to this thing that is not much used anymore and so on.
I feel sorry for those true fan boys. They are what carried apple during the dark times and now they are getting nothing in return for it.
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Please explain the difference between a "true" fan and someone who has only learned of apples existence or come to like their lineup from the last decade or so?


This just sounds like elitist crap.
 
NT1440 said:
Please explain the difference between a "true" fan and someone who has only learned of apples existence or come to like their lineup from the last decade or so?


This just sounds like elitist crap.
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Sounds more like there were those who liked Apple products despite their unpopularity and those who now like them because they're popular.
 
NT1440 said:
Please explain the difference between a "true" fan and someone who has only learned of apples existence or come to like their lineup from the last decade or so?


This just sounds like elitist crap.
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you remember how a dollar bill used to get you a box of candy bards back in 1970? Ahh, nevermind...
 
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